[VS] Itachi vs Minato (no ninjutsu)

[AGoodBoy]

Minato wins on new restricts. He moved a greater distance in a second than obito could move his hand to stab a kid. Itachi stand no chance, it's blitz Kidney to kunai without Crow/bushin feints.

 

[Bogard]

Saw the new restrictions. Itachi still wins.

And how is that? :|

 

[KidGamer65]

And how is that? :|

Nvm, Itachi loses.

 

[Draphsin]

New restrictions: Itachi wins.

His shurikenjutsu is leagues above minato's & his taijutsu is above minato's.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Itachi still wins. Minato's speed comes from Ninjutsu, while Itachi is naturally fast on his feet. He has shurikenjutsu and better taijutsu. Hell he could just spam shuriken and take it easily.

 

[Bogard]

Lol @Itachi being leagues above Minato in Shuriken skills. Because an alive Itachi has shown more in the category than someone who was dead since the beginning of the manga doesn't mean he is greater. But even with his small feats, Minato has shown this

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Saying that Itachi would take out Minato with shurikens is beyond laughable

For this same reason, people are giving Itachi the advantage in taijutsu, when not only he got much more screentime but he fought weaker opponents. Minato bested 3kumo elite ninjas in taijutsu alone when he was 10, like he bested the strongest duo of Kumo(taijutsu specialists) years after

He has superior reaction speed over Itachi. Because of this he would always be a step ahead. There is no way Itachi is taking this

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[Strawberry]

Itachi still wins. Minato's speed comes from Ninjutsu, while Itachi is naturally fast on his feet. He has shurikenjutsu and better taijutsu. Hell he could just spam shuriken and take it easily.

i dont think minato would get taken down early on with shuriken... but eventually the shuriken ability itachi showed would play a huge role in a possible win situation

plus minato's shown to be adequate with projectiles.

 

[Draphsin]

Lol @Itachi being leagues above Minato in Shuriken skills. Because an alive Itachi has shown more in the category than someone who was dead since the beginning of the manga doesn't mean he is greater. But even with his small feats, Minato has shown this

This is an excuse, no screen time = too bad.

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Saying that Itachi would take out Minato with shurikens is beyond laughable

Minato throwing shuriken... To say that minato can keep up with the below isn't just laughable, its downright hilarious.

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For this same reason, people are giving Itachi the advantage in taijutsu,
when not only he got much more screentime but he fought weaker opponents. Minato bested 3kumo elite ninjas in taijutsu alone when he was 10, like he bested the strongest duo of Kumo(taijutsu specialists) years after

No, I'm giving Itachi the taijutsu advantage because he's simply better. Besting 3 jounin does not compare to besting 3 jounin uchiha. & your bold statement is only possible with FTG so it's redundant here.

He has superior reaction speed over Itachi. Because of this he would always be a step ahead. There is no way Itachi is taking this

He has reaction speed but his body isnt moving faster than the sharingan can notice, sorry but minato may have superior reflexes but that means nothing with a body that can't move as fast.

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This is all under the assumption that Itachi can use the sharingan but if he can then minato gets stomped no discussion.

 

[Bogard]

This is an excuse, no screen time = too bad.

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. It's like saying Itachi is greater in taijutsu than Rikudo sennin when he has no screentime to prove it

Minato throwing shuriken... To say that minato can keep up with the below isn't just laughable, its downright hilarious.

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And what is hilarious in it? Because he launched shurikens Sasuke could counter? Or because he launched Shurikens when no one was looking at him?

If it's the case, i'll also point out the fact that Minato managed to place his kunais markings without no one on the battlefield ever noticing, to the point that even Kage level ninjas were baffled by his movements execution

Like i've said, at least Minato fights people in different leagues than Itachi. It's easy to impress kids

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During all this time, he was discussing with Naruto and Sakura. He put those markings so fast that no one noticed

No, I'm giving Itachi the taijutsu advantage because he's simply better. Besting 3 jounin does not compare to besting 3 jounin uchiha. & your bold statement is only possible with FTG so it's redundant here.

How do you compare those jounins to uchihas? How do you know the Uchihas were actually stronger? Kishimoto told you? Cuz i don't believe that Kumo would send 3jounins to capture someone in a village as powerful as Konoha if they weren't strong enough...

He has reaction speed but his body isnt moving faster than the sharingan can notice, sorry but minato may have superior reflexes but that means nothing with a body that can't move as fast.

Sharingan couldn't follow A's reaction speed and Minato has shown to have even greater reaction speed than him?

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This is all under the assumption that Itachi can use the sharingan but if he can then minato gets stomped no discussion.

Maybe only in your dream then

 

[Draphsin]

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. It's like saying Itachi is greater in taijutsu than Rikudo sennin when he has no screentime to prove it

lmao....Prove that the rikudou was a taijutsu expert, as far as we know he's a ninjutsu master & founded the basics of ninjutsu...No proof stating that the rikudou sennin even used taijutsu..

And what is hilarious in it? Because he launched shurikens Sasuke could counter? Or because he launched Shurikens when no one was looking at him?

He deflected sasuke's shuriken effortlessly & still had the time to form a shadow clone in between, this proves that itachi's hands can move even faster than what I showed & he was using it for defense, much harder to do than offense. Plus the distance compared to your distance, easily able to react to kunai being thrown from mid distances rather than point blank range.

As for nobody looking at him, lol Itachi can throw shuriken from the rinnegan's blindspots, this proves that itachi has the ability to hit someone from every angle with his shuriken. No area is safe & at the speed that itachi throws his kunai, minato will be overwhelmed in no time.

If it's the case, i'll also point out the fact that Minato managed to place his kunais markings without no one on the battlefield ever noticing, to the point that even Kage level ninjas were baffled by his movements execution

This absolutely changes nothing, if you're suggesting that minato is getting kunai past Itachi before he can notice then you're wrong.

Like i've said, at least Minato fights people in different leagues than Itachi. It's easy to impress kids

Different leagues....Are you kidding me? If you're referring to while alive then he fought people on his level.

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During all this time, he was discussing with Naruto and Sakura. He put those markings so fast that no one noticed

Who is noticing tiny kunai flying around the battlefield with the juubi standing right in front of them? Nobody was focusing on minato so of course his kunai would go by undetected, especially in the battlefield.

& prove that minato placed the kunai while talking, that makes no sense & just goes to show you how little you actually follow the sequence of events..

How do you compare those jounins to uchihas? How do you know the Uchihas were actually stronger? Kishimoto told you? Cuz i don't believe that Kumo would send 3jounins to capture someone in a village as powerful as Konoha if they weren't strong enough...

Sharingan > those jounin

Its been proven multiple times that the uchiha clan is a naturally gifted clan. Their sharingan precognition automatically puts them above average shinobi. Example is when obito awakened his sharingan & managed to kill a jounin.

There is nothing stating that these jounin are special, you're simply referring to fiction when you call them "strong" let alone uchiha level.

Sharingan couldn't follow A's reaction speed and Minato has shown to have even greater reaction speed than him?

Reaction speed =////= movement speed..

Raikage doesnt have sharingan precog, saying that Itachi wont see the mark because A didnt is once again laughable.

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All I heard was wank wank wank..Tobirama mentioned his quickness to act, nobody was baffled.

Maybe only in your dream then

Comparing minato to someone who can read his movements, attack from all directions & has better overall feats than minato, okay...keep the wankfest alive bogard.

 

[HNIC]

according to Draphsin genjutsu is long distance, he's not worth arguing against

 

[Bogard]

lmao....Prove that the rikudou was a taijutsu expert, as far as we know he's a ninjutsu master & founded the basics of ninjutsu...No proof stating that the rikudou sennin even used taijutsu..

Like there is no proof he isn't as well, which is my point

He deflected sasuke's shuriken effortlessly & still had the time to form a shadow clone in between, this proves that itachi's hands can move even faster than what I showed & he was using it for defense, much harder to do than offense. Plus the distance compared to your distance, easily able to react to kunai being thrown from mid distances rather than point blank range.

Sasuke countered every of them and it proves it was nothing special in terms of speed. What was great is that he took advantage of the misdirections created by the shuriken battle to create his clone, that's all

Concerning the difference in feats, you're joking right? Minato was far away from Kakashi and facing hiding opponents who were near Kakashi when he(Minato) was far away. He still managed to counter every of kunais launched by those 20hiding opponents with one throw of shurikens. In Minato's case, he actually had to identify the direction where each kunais were coming before acting from a far distance faster than the time it takes for said kunais to reach Kakashi

This is totally different than countering shurikens launched face to face with your only one opponent

As for nobody looking at him, lol Itachi can throw shuriken from the rinnegan's blindspots, this proves that itachi has the ability to hit someone from every angle with his shuriken. No area is safe & at the speed that itachi throws his kunai, minato will be overwhelmed in no time.

All what it proves is that he can perfectly hit blinded opponents because like i've said, no one was even paying attention to him. Easy to hit immobile and blinded targets. Maybe even Choji could do hit immobile targets

The only impressive thing in that was actually to find the blind spot of Rinnengan rather than the throwing skill itself. If even after finding a blindspot to hit, he actually failed to hit an immobile and blinded target, it would have been a shame actually

This absolutely changes nothing, if you're suggesting that minato is getting kunai past Itachi before he can notice then you're wrong.

Never suggested such a thing. You're the one suggesting the contrary and i'm only here to prove you wrong

Different leagues....Are you kidding me? If you're referring to while alive then he fought people on his level.

Pretty sure that an unexperience 10yo Deidara, pre-MS Sasuke, or Orochimaru are fodders compared to MS Obito, A-Bee duo or Jinchuriki Obito?

Who is noticing tiny kunai flying around the battlefield with the juubi standing right in front of them? Nobody was focusing on minato so of course his kunai would go by undetected, especially in the battlefield.

It's exactly my point. Like you call the Itachi-Rinnengan feat impressive for the same reason when he hit targets when no one was even paying attention to him

& prove that minato placed the kunai while talking, that makes no sense & just goes to show you how little you actually follow the sequence of events..

Never said he placed them after that moment. Dunno where you got that

Sharingan > those jounin

Its been proven multiple times that the uchiha clan is a naturally gifted clan. Their sharingan precognition automatically puts them above average shinobi. Example is when obito awakened his sharingan & managed to basically kill a jounin.

There is nothing stating that these jounin are special, you're simply referring to fiction when you call them "strong" let alone uchiha level.

Funny cuz Uchihas spend their time losing in taijutsu in this manga. From Sasuke against Lee, Obito against Gai or Kakashi, or Madara against Hashirama, all i see is losers in the department. Because you are Uchiha doesn't mean you're stronger than every jounin. This is stupid logic. I'm pretty sure someone like Gai or Darui could own more than hundred of Uchihas if they wanted

Reaction speed =////= movement speed..

Raikage doesnt have sharingan precog, saying that Itachi wont see the mark because A didnt is once again laughable.

During the Obito vs Minato battle, like Minato said, it was a battle of speed. The one who strikes a split second earlier will win [

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Obito lost that battle of speed because Minato reacted faster than him, despite MS activated for his kamui [

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Like Sharingan didn't help Obito to notice the mark [

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He never even noticed the marking never disappeard lol

Itachi will get owned Sharingan or not simply because Minato is too fast that even the Sharingan can't follow

All I heard was wank wank wank..Tobirama mentioned his quickness to act, nobody was baffled.

Just like all you do is wank wank wank as well

 

[Strawberry]

@t bogard sasuke was the one attack itachi was defending, its easier to throw a a target then it is to defend from projectiles of that scale, having the time to make a clone in between that is epic.



hitting multiple targets by deflecting kunai is still a feat shown by none other but i agree the take away there is him finding the rinnegans blindblind spot.


and as for the uchiha being better than the avergae person yess two people of same training same background experience one ahving sharingan would most likely take the other out.

darui is obviously not your average ninja

 

[Strict]

There is no doubt that Itachi wins. No Ninja arts like Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Means no Hiraishin, no Shunshin, no Fuinjutsu for Minato. He is restricted to Taijutsu and weapons. Itachi has the better Taijutsu feats, he has the Sharingan's foreshadowing ability and he has better feats with the use of weapons. Now here Minato clearly can't win.

 

[Strawberry]

There is no doubt that Itachi wins. No Ninja arts like Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Means no Hiraishin, no Shunshin, no Fuinjutsu for Minato. He is restricted to Taijutsu and weapons. Itachi has the better Taijutsu feats, he has the Sharingan's foreshadowing ability and he has better feats with the use of weapons. Now here Minato clearly can't win.

no sharingan.... no chakra use = no sharingan

 

[Strict]

no sharingan.... no chakra use = no sharingan

He isn't using Ninjutsu with the Sharingan activated. If we would be daintily, Taijutsu is also based on Chakra. Anything is..

Itachi's Taijutsu and weapon skills are still > Minato's.

 

[Draphsin]

Like there is no proof he isn't as well, which is my point

Going by this logic. Madara knows all the rinnegan jutsus because there's no proof stating otherwise..

Rikudou has no taijutsu feats or anything suggesting that he was good at taijutsu, to assusme so would be speculation. If however the sage was said to be gifted in all forms of combat or something which suggests that he was good at taijutsu then you would have crebibility. So this point is wrong as rikudou was not known for taijutsu.

Sasuke countered every of them and it proves it was nothing special in terms of speed. What was great is that he took advantage of the misdirections created by the shuriken battle to create his clone, that's all

Sasuke didnt counter them....Itachi countered sasuke by using his shuriken to track & deflect the other ones, much harder to do than actually throwing shuriken in hopes of landing a hit. Itachi needed to be precise in order to track the kunai before he hit them.

& you missed my point, Itachi was so fast that he was able to create a clone with his hands already preoccupied with throwing shuriken. Sasuke didnt even notice this (sharingan), & sasuke has a better perception due to his eyes (perception =///= recation time) so the fact that he missed it means that itachi can move faster than the sharingan can even track. This is also supported by itachi taking out the 3 uchiha.

Concerning the difference in feats, you're joking right? Minato was far away from Kakashi and facing hiding opponents who were near Kakashi when he(Minato) was far away. He still managed to counter every of kunais launched by those 20hiding opponents with one throw of shurikens. In Minato's case, he actually had to identify the direction where each kunais were coming before acting from a far distance faster than the time it takes for said kunais to reach Kakashi

As I said this means nothing, with minato's superb reaction time he can notice kunai quickly. Once he has an idea of the kunai's location then he can throw them appropriately. The difference here is that minato had time, Itachi didnt, itachi was merely acting based on his reactions to the kunai being thrown at him, while minato had time to (as you said) analyze the kunai, where they were coming from & how to deflect them.

In fact this isnt even that impressive considering minato's reflexes should allow for him to do something like this anyways. The difference is distance, minato does not have the speed feats in order to keep up with a point blank barrage of kunai.

This is totally different than countering shurikens launched face to face with your only one opponent

Yes, because countering shuriken at point blank requires more precision than countering shurkien from a further distance.

The comparison between the feats is that Itachi, should he manage to barrage minato with kunai will then take the win. Minato is not deflecting kunai from point blank at that speed without a way to track them, the feats you showed me suit minato's advantages better (reaction time & quick thinking). But should this solely be based on how fast a person can move after reacting then minato falls short.

All what it proves is that he can perfectly hit blinded opponents because like i've said, no one was even paying attention to him. Easy to hit immobile and blinded targets. Maybe even Choji could do hit immobile targets

rinnegan's field of vision protects this & kabuto even stated it so you're wrong, Itachi was able to hit the rinnegan in their eyes from a blins dpot, this proves that itachi will be able to do the same should the situation ever occur.

The only impressive thing in that was actually to find the blind spot of Rinnengan rather than the throwing skill itself. If even after finding a blindspot to hit, he actually failed to hit an immobile and blinded target, it would have been a shame actually

He hit a field of vision that is said to have no blindspots, the fact that he was able to hit the targets while unnoticed makes this an impressive feat.

Never suggested such a thing. You're the one suggesting the contrary and i'm only here to prove you wrong

Well then this debate is pointless, your wanking knows no bounds & if I continue this then ill most likely lose my sanity. Minato isnt throwing kunai faster than itachi can, nor is he getting a kunai past itachi's sharingan.

Pretty sure that an unexperience 10yo Deidara, pre-MS Sasuke, or Orochimaru are fodders compared to MS Obito, A-Bee duo or Jinchuriki Obito?

LOL just because itachi sh*t on those characters doesnt mean that they're fodder. & I love how you conveniently take the bad matchups & use them to support your argument.

Without FTG A/B duo >>> Minato & without FTG MS obito >>>> Minato. Minato was simply their bad matchup, his teleportation is the only reason why he won those fights so to even compare itachi's enemies to them must be a joke.

Example: Oro <<<<< Itachi's genjutsu, Sasuke <<<<<< Itachi's genjutsu, Deidara <<<<< Itachi's genjutsu. Dont complain because these ninja got fodderized, they were simply bad matches for itachi.

It's exactly my point. Like you call the Itachi-Rinnengan feat impressive for the same reason when he hit targets when no one was even paying attention to him

Doent matter, the rinnegan should notice such kunai due to its field of vision, the RINNEGAN should've notice him but it didnt. This is your proof, not the fact that kabuto wasnt paying attention.

Never said he placed them after that moment. Dunno where you got that

Well then make yourself more clear because posting multiple scans does nothing..

Funny cuz Uchihas spend their time losing in taijutsu in this manga. From Sasuke against Lee, Obito against Gai or Kakashi, or Madara against Hashirama, all i see is losers in the department. Because you are Uchiha doesn't mean you're stronger than every jounin. This is stupid logic. I'm pretty sure someone like Gai or Darui could own more than hundred of Uchihas if they wanted

I love how ytou're mentioning the BEST OF THE BEST. Show me a fodder jounin deal with a fodder uchiha, by your stupid logic then the uchiha werent the strongest clan next to the senju. They made their way to that spot for a reason & it wasnt because they're good at casting katon either because the naara clan does that.

The sharingan gives them an advantage over any average shinobi, gai, kakashi, lee, hashirama, they're all EXEPTIONAL ninja with outstanding abilities in both ninjutsu & taijutsu. They also have vast knowledge on the sharingan.

The fact that you're even comparing 3 fodder jounin to 3 fodder uchiha is just sad..

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Withot FTG this entire point is moot.

Itachi will get owned Sharingan or not simply because Minato is too fast that even the Sharingan can't follow

Lol Tell me more of your bullsh*t.

Just like all you do is wank wank wank as well

Funny thing is ive seen you admit to multiple people that you love dem nuts. At least I have the decency to admit when a character I like loses or a character I dislike wins. Seems like that is not the same case for you.

 

[Bogard]

Well i will just leave useless points and come to the essential one

Withot FTG this entire point is moot.

You completely missed the point. FTG or not, the winner was the one to react first. The point was to show that Minato reacted faster than Obito despite MS by teleporting himself behind him a split of second before his hand touched him. It was a battle of speed like Minato stated and Obito lost it despite MS activated

@Strawberry didn't even know Sharingan was restricted. In this case, this match makes even less sense for me since Itachi needs Sharingan for his taijutsu or weaponery. Have we ever seen Itachi even fight without Sharingan? It would greatly reduce his movement speed without a tool helping him to predict movements

 

[Strawberry]

I ahve one question how in the hell would minato dodge/ block a barrage of shuriken that are deflected by another barrge of shuriken into changing directions and hitting minato.

 

[Bogard]

I ahve one question how in the hell would minato dodge/ block a barrage of shuriken that are deflected by another barrge of shuriken into changing directions and hitting minato.

Well the first question you must ask before this is if his shuriken skills are that accurate without his sharingan to predict movements, because in all his shuriken feats, he used Sharingan

Secondly, like i've said Minato has a great shuriken skill as well, maybe not on Itachi's level but still. It's not as if Minato couldn't throw shurikens as well or that because Itachi has great shuriken skills, he suddenly becomes immune to a shuriken throw? Especially when you know himself already lost in a shuriken battle against Sasuke?

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