4th Kazekage vs Mei

Who wins?

  • Mei

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  • 4th Kazekage/Gaara's dad/great guy

    Votes: 3 37.5%

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Lava says hi. Heated metals lose magnetism. GL trying to manipulate molten Au.

Mei takes this kid out.


It won't affect the gold, but it will affect his use of it.
No. Heated metals lose magnetism at their curie point. Gold is not magnetic, so saying it will lose its ability to be magnetic is ludicrous. Assuming he uses Iron sand like he third Kazekage plated with gold, he still wouldn't lose its magnetism. Iron's curie point is 1316 Celsius. If not, then the only thing left to theorise on is Gold being magnetic and having a curie point. If not, then you can come up with your own theory/hypothesis.
 

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I didn't want to make a detailed post. Was just responding to that obvious troll.

I agree with you, however. What people sometimes misconstrue is that Gaara's dad works just like him, and they don't factor in his many drawbacks that gaara doesn't possess.
Ah, well I was checking over his fight again to make a final judgment and did notice this bit

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Its something thats never been brought up before and wanted people to analyse it.

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Anyways, My call at the moment is that it could go either way given the location. Both are diserviced by the location since Mei is weaker in an unclosed space and the Kazekage could be weaker while not in a desert.

Though it it was in doors, Mei stomps. If its in the Desert the Kazekage stomps, but here, im not so sure.
 

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No. Heated metals lose magnetism at their curie point. Gold is not magnetic, so saying it will lose its ability to be magnetic is ludicrous. Assuming he uses Iron sand like he third Kazekage plated with gold, he still wouldn't lose its magnetism. Iron's curie point is 1316 Celsius. If not, then the only thing left to theorise on is Gold being magnetic and having a curie point. If not, then you can come up with your own theory/hypothesis.
4th Kazekage uses Jinton - the Art of Magnet release. It uses magnetism to manipulate metals and perform their jutsu, be it Gold dust style or Iron Sand style.

Considering Kishi made him manipulate gold with magnetism, he will suffer from the heating drawback effects of magnetism. Just an added tidbit.

GOLD melting point

1,064 °C
Gold, Melting point

Lava temperature

When first erupted from a volcanic vent, lava is a liquid at temperatures from 700 to 1,200 °C


Since gold melts at roughly 1300K and Lava ranges from 1000K to 1,500K; it's within the threshold to melt gold. Furthermore, the curie point of magnetic metals is far lower than their melting points, therefore dropping kishi's fantasy curie point of gold down by at least 20% to about 1040K. Lava from mei's mouth will deactivate the effects of jiton, if not flat out turn his jutsu into a stream of liquid gold.
 

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4th Kazekage uses Jinton - the Art of Magnet release. It uses magnetism to manipulate metals and perform their jutsu, be it Gold dust style or Iron Sand style.

Considering Kishi made him manipulate gold with magnetism, he will suffer from the heating drawback effects of magnetism. Just an added tidbit.

GOLD melting point



Lava temperature




Since gold melts at roughly 1300K and Lava ranges from 1000K to 1,500K; it's within the threshold to melt gold. Furthermore, the curie point of magnetic metals is far lower than their melting points, therefore dropping kishi's fantasy curie point of gold down by at least 20% to about 1040K. Lava from mei's mouth will deactivate the effects of jiton, if not flat out turn his jutsu into a stream of liquid gold.
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4th Kazekage uses Jinton - the Art of Magnet release. It uses magnetism to manipulate metals and perform their jutsu, be it Gold dust style or Iron Sand style.

Considering Kishi made him manipulate gold with magnetism, he will suffer from the heating drawback effects of magnetism. Just an added tidbit.

GOLD melting point



Lava temperature




Since gold melts at roughly 1300K and Lava ranges from 1000K to 1,500K; it's within the threshold to melt gold. Furthermore, the curie point of magnetic metals is far lower than their melting points, therefore dropping kishi's fantasy curie point of gold down by at least 20% to about 1040K. Lava from mei's mouth will deactivate the effects of jiton, if not flat out turn his jutsu into a stream of liquid gold.
No. Lava is at 1000-1500 Kelvin when it is beneath lots of other lava. The lowest point is usually about 5200 Kelvin, just to show how the level (implying place) in which lava is matters. Mei can use lava which instantly cools down since it is in a thin layer compared to erupting volcano's lava. Hence why I put the number 650-800. And the curie point isn't always beneath the melting point, Cobalt has a higher curie point than melting point believe it or not. And assuming that it will melt even with your inaccurate given temperatures is false, since debates weight odds out. And the odd are gold will still not melt in her lava since it is higher than the mean. 'Atleast 20%' is an asspull. And even if you do that to my 'more' accurate data, it still is beyond the curie point since it is approximately 850 C degress>650-800.
 

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We have less to none information to compare so it's hard to pick one. But I'll choose Mei because she's shown feats, looks sexy as hell and wasn't stupid enough to be controlled by Akatsuki.
 

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No. Lava is at 1000-1500 Kelvin when it is beneath lots of other lava. The lowest point is usually about 5200 Kelvin, just to show how the level (implying place) in which lava is matters. Mei can use lava which instantly cools down since it is in a thin layer compared to erupting volcano's lava. Hence why I put the number 650-800. And the curie point isn't always beneath the melting point, Cobalt has a higher curie point than melting point believe it or not. And assuming that it will melt even with your inaccurate given temperatures is false, since debates weight odds out. And the odd are gold will still not melt in her lava since it is higher than the mean. 'Atleast 20%' is an asspull. And even if you do that to my 'more' accurate data, it still is beyond the curie point since it is approximately 850 C degress>650-800.
That's a baseless assumption considering mei has been shown to be the one who manipulates the cooling of her lava as she hardened it near instantly when she shot it at the wall in kage summit, yet kept it liquid for a sustained period during the madara battle. The fact that she can also control the acidic nature of her acid to melt concrete just solidifies this. If anything, the temperature of her lava is higher than that which comes from a volcanic vent. It's not a small stream, it's a condensed stream that was heated and flung out. Air temperature isn't cooling it that quickly, it'd take water for better cooling.

As to the cobalt thing. Not that I know of, you may have to fact check that. Cobalt, like most those other metals, melt at degrees in excess of 1500C(some within 1400) which is -> (1500 + 274)K. Cobalt is only some bit over 1000K.

"'Atleast 20%' is an asspull" It's actually a low ball. Apart from Iron and cobalt, all the other magnetic metals slash by more than half. You can go check it if you want, but 'atleast 20%' is within safe standings. As, statistically speaking, the distribution suggests it should be 'atleast 50%'. Like I said, anyway, your 'more accurate results' is based on an assumption. Like you claimed my 20% was an asspull, you also asspulled a 200C slash on mei's Lava(>20%).
 

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That's a baseless assumption considering mei has been shown to be the one who manipulates the cooling of her lava as she hardened it near instantly when she shot it at the wall in kage summit, yet kept it liquid for a sustained period during the madara battle. The fact that she can also control the acidic nature of her acid to melt concrete just solidifies this. If anything, the temperature of her lava is higher than that which comes from a volcanic vent. It's not a small stream, it's a condensed stream that was heated and flung out. Air temperature isn't cooling it that quickly, it'd take water for better cooling.

As to the cobalt thing. Not that I know of, you may have to fact check that. Cobalt, like most those other metals, melt at degrees in excess of 1500C(some within 1400) which is -> (1500 + 274)K. Cobalt is only some bit over 1000K.

"'Atleast 20%' is an asspull" It's actually a low ball. Apart from Iron and cobalt, all the other magnetic metals slash by more than half. You can go check it if you want, but 'atleast 20%' is within safe standings. As, statistically speaking, the distribution suggests it should be 'atleast 50%'. Like I said, anyway, your 'more accurate results' is based on an assumption. Like you claimed my 20% was an asspull, you also asspulled a 200C slash on mei's Lava(>20%).
What? She doesn't control the hardening of her lava, that's absurd. Prove it related scans or don't assume such nonsense. Her Lava cooled down quickly because she used a smaller amount of it. When she used her lava against Madara she used an enormous amount, and even then you can't say it wouldn't have cooled down quickly. She was non-stop using lava, so the lava wouldn't have cooled down if it was still being supplied with the same heat of its own [ ]. Exactly 2 pages later she is using suiton to increase the time in which it is hardened [ ]. Lava can cool on the Earth's surface to rock in a matter of minutes. I highly doubt it would take the Lava more than 20 seconds to solidify below the curie point of Gold. Since the beginning stages are much more rapid than the stages in which it cools from 100-20 C. So it doesn't solidify anything. Saying she can reduce the pH is different from saying she can alter the temperature of lava. Altering pH levels is changing its pH from 0-7 and 7-14, 7 being neutral. This should be relevant since pH can be altered, while Lava can only be altered by increasing an decreasing the temperature, which not only is unlikely but an assumption on your part, which you are all of a sudden trying to deem as factual. It's already been cooled quite quickly against Sasuke to form a wall in a matter of seconds. Saying its temperature is beyond a volcano's is laughable at best.

I have evidence it wasn't an asspull: k.com/what-is-lava.htm and e.edu/~sanelson/Natural_Disasters/volcan&magma.htm
And yea, my bad over the (Co) mistake.
 

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What? She doesn't control the hardening of her lava, that's absurd. Prove it related scans or don't assume such nonsense. Her Lava cooled down quickly because she used a smaller amount of it. When she used her lava against Madara she used an enormous amount, and even then you can't say it wouldn't have cooled down quickly. She was non-stop using lava, so the lava wouldn't have cooled down if it was still being supplied with the same heat of its own [ ]. Exactly 2 pages later she is using suiton to increase the time in which it is hardened [ ]. Lava can cool on the Earth's surface to rock in a matter of minutes. I highly doubt it would take the Lava more than 20 seconds to solidify below the curie point of Gold. Since the beginning stages are much more rapid than the stages in which it cools from 100-20 C. So it doesn't solidify anything. Saying she can reduce the pH is different from saying she can alter the temperature of lava. Altering pH levels is changing its pH from 0-7 and 7-14, 7 being neutral. This should be relevant since pH can be altered, while Lava can only be altered by increasing an decreasing the temperature, which not only is unlikely but an assumption on your part, which you are all of a sudden trying to deem as factual. It's already been cooled quite quickly against Sasuke to form a wall in a matter of seconds. Saying its temperature is beyond a volcano's is laughable at best.

I have evidence it wasn't an asspull: k.com/what-is-lava.htm and e.edu/~sanelson/Natural_Disasters/volcan&magma.htm
And yea, my bad over the (Co) mistake.
Your scans proved my points. The first attack was lava which stayed a liquid for quite a while. The second was lava to cover madara, not suiton, which then began to harden. Same way when she spat lava on walls at summit, it cooled quickly as it rolled down and sealed the rooms. Easy evidence of the fact that it near instantly cooled at the top while some parts where left hot to flow is the simple fact that the lava made a seal on a vertical wall with no added support. Normally, gravity would simply make it all drop off. We can go into the science of it all, but claiming it's absurd she can control the levels of Lava she isn't in contact with is like claiming it's insane she can control the acidity of lava she's not in contact with... even though she did it. Changing PH simply adding more [relevant] ions from water. Water she can simply get from her suiton. In the same way, changing the temperature of her lava is a simple matter of heating it with her katon, or cooling it with her suiton... without actually producing it. But, hey, I'm just stating an observation... If you think lava can be splashed on a door and harden on contact on the top, but flow down the rest of the way to then harder at the bottom, be my guest...
One last thing "saying it's temperture... is laughable". Yea... torch style is so hot that it instantly vaporizes on contact, which is even beyond what lava is capable of.

Anyway, I'm bored of this now, sorry :p PM me if you want to continue tomorrow but I wanna eat my cereal out da milk.
 

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Your scans proved my points. The first attack was lava which stayed a liquid for quite a while. The second was lava to cover madara, not suiton, which then began to harden. Same way when she spat lava on walls at summit, it cooled quickly as it rolled down and sealed the rooms. Easy evidence of the fact that it near instantly cooled at the top while some parts where left hot to flow is the simple fact that the lava made a seal on a vertical wall with no added support. Normally, gravity would simply make it all drop off. We can go into the science of it all, but claiming it's absurd she can control the levels of Lava she isn't in contact with is like claiming it's insane she can control the acidity of lava she's not in contact with... even though she did it. Changing PH simply adding more [relevant] ions from water. Water she can simply get from her suiton. In the same way, changing the temperature of her lava is a simple matter of heating it with her katon, or cooling it with her suiton... without actually producing it. But, hey, I'm just stating an observation... If you think lava can be splashed on a door and harden on contact on the top, but flow down the rest of the way to then harder at the bottom, be my guest...
One last thing "saying it's temperture... is laughable". Yea... torch style is so hot that it instantly vaporizes on contact, which is even beyond what lava is capable of.

Anyway, I'm bored of this now, sorry :p PM me if you want to continue tomorrow but I wanna eat my cereal out da milk.
They didn't prove your points at all. The lava did indeed stay liquid for a while on both scans. Lava from volcano's may take up to 30+ years to completely cool down, while within the first 5-10 minutes it has cooled enough to make it possible to walk on. This makes it evident that lava's high temperature is instantly cooled down, while once it reaches say 400 (random number, but decently accurate) degrees and below, it is quite hard to cool down. And you are correct, I had misinterpreted the scan in which she did(n't) use suiton. However, you claiming it took any amount of time is irrelevant (not that you did) since we don't see her lava for more than 6 pages including the two pages in which she was still releasing her lava. Saying that time was not the same as the time it took for her lava to harden against Sasuke in comparison of a ratio between the two quantities of her lava is speculation. The time she used it against Sasuke, the lava had not hardened for two chapters; next chapter after she used it [ ]. Proving that she can't manipulate it. When she used it againt Madara, it wasn't shown again after 6 pages, so we can't assume how long it lasted, nor can we assume it ever hardened. This proves that she can't cool/heat it at her own will. While the next chapter during the Sasuke fight, also shows how it began to harden the lava, which is portrayed by the lava's viscosity heavily . Once viscosity is high, the temperature is much lower. Moreover, Gold, being a metal, is a good conductor. The quantity of gold is immensely superior to the quantity of lava, and thus will adibiatically cool with the rest of the gold in attempt to reduce the initial heat on the rest of the gold, hence it heats all the gold, while removing the capability of the gold in contact to the lava to magnetise. This will mean that the lava will lost its heat quicker due to its energy being lost rather quickly due to the highly conductive metal, gold.

Moreover, all this debate can be avoided when we state the fact that gold dust can not only dodge the slow moving lava, but stay out of its reach [ ]. The quanitiy of gold dust is also far superior to the lava's, and can spread out on a further scale depending on what the Kazekage feels like doing. Mei uses large scale lava? Kazekage thins out his gold dust until it is a giant horizontally thin layer of gold dust, in which once the gold dust is hit, won't be as effective since a low amount of gold dust is being hit. If you disagree.. then we can always recall the scale in which the Gold dust can be attacked with [ ] (top panels). This ended up adding up to a mass equivalent or similar to Gaara's , as seen here [ ] (Bottom panels). Mei's lava AOE [ ] =/= Gold Dust AOE [ ] [ ]

I am assuming after having said all this, I don't have to speak of pH levels altering. Not that it has anything to do with lava in the first place (I have already disproved Mei being capable of hardening/cooling the Lava). The only reason it formed a door like structure is because lava has viscosity a visocist 10,000 to 100,000 times the viscosity of water. Clearly it will not spread out when it is going down, it will simply move towards gravity. Hence why it flowed downwards, and didn't end up flowing outwards as it became somewhat more viscous. Just to show you how viscous lava can be, at some points, lava can be as a liquid yet be viscous enough to stay completely still even when it is a foot thick without anything shaping it (isolated lava).
 

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Why is this still going on? Mei clearly rapes this guy.

The Kazekage has NO

- speed feats to evade the Youton: Youkai no jutsu
- speed feats to dodge Mei's large ass suiton techniques
- feats in manipulating sand in a location like this
- reaction time feats
- intelligence feats

- etc
 

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They didn't prove your points at all. The lava did indeed stay liquid for a while on both scans. Lava from volcano's may take up to 30+ years to completely cool down, while within the first 5-10 minutes it has cooled enough to make it possible to walk on. This makes it evident that lava's high temperature is instantly cooled down, while once it reaches say 400 (random number, but decently accurate) degrees and below, it is quite hard to cool down. And you are correct, I had misinterpreted the scan in which she did(n't) use suiton. However, you claiming it took any amount of time is irrelevant (not that you did) since we don't see her lava for more than 6 pages including the two pages in which she was still releasing her lava. Saying that time was not the same as the time it took for her lava to harden against Sasuke in comparison of a ratio between the two quantities of her lava is speculation. The time she used it against Sasuke, the lava had not hardened for two chapters; next chapter after she used it [ ]. Proving that she can't manipulate it. When she used it againt Madara, it wasn't shown again after 6 pages, so we can't assume how long it lasted, nor can we assume it ever hardened. This proves that she can't cool/heat it at her own will. While the next chapter during the Sasuke fight, also shows how it began to harden the lava, which is portrayed by the lava's viscosity heavily . Once viscosity is high, the temperature is much lower. Moreover, Gold, being a metal, is a good conductor. The quantity of gold is immensely superior to the quantity of lava, and thus will adibiatically cool with the rest of the gold in attempt to reduce the initial heat on the rest of the gold, hence it heats all the gold, while removing the capability of the gold in contact to the lava to magnetise. This will mean that the lava will lost its heat quicker due to its energy being lost rather quickly due to the highly conductive metal, gold.

Moreover, all this debate can be avoided when we state the fact that gold dust can not only dodge the slow moving lava, but stay out of its reach [ ]. The quanitiy of gold dust is also far superior to the lava's, and can spread out on a further scale depending on what the Kazekage feels like doing. Mei uses large scale lava? Kazekage thins out his gold dust until it is a giant horizontally thin layer of gold dust, in which once the gold dust is hit, won't be as effective since a low amount of gold dust is being hit. If you disagree.. then we can always recall the scale in which the Gold dust can be attacked with [ ] (top panels). This ended up adding up to a mass equivalent or similar to Gaara's , as seen here [ ] (Bottom panels). Mei's lava AOE [ ] =/= Gold Dust AOE [ ] [ ]

I am assuming after having said all this, I don't have to speak of pH levels altering. Not that it has anything to do with lava in the first place (I have already disproved Mei being capable of hardening/cooling the Lava). The only reason it formed a door like structure is because lava has viscosity a visocist 10,000 to 100,000 times the viscosity of water. Clearly it will not spread out when it is going down, it will simply move towards gravity. Hence why it flowed downwards, and didn't end up flowing outwards as it became somewhat more viscous. Just to show you how viscous lava can be, at some points, lava can be as a liquid yet be viscous enough to stay completely still even when it is a foot thick without anything shaping it (isolated lava).
I'll admit, you know your science and I've never had such an interesting scientific debate on here( majoring in a scientific field by chance?)... but Let me just put some point forward and see how you take them.



I'll dismiss the Lava point since there's not much I can show you with still images to convey that kind of point without Kishi explicitly stating it. It's in that same way that if kishi didn't make mei state she neutralized the pH of her acid, we could have just assumed it somehow dispersed and diluted enough. Now, you make a valid point with the gold. However, the kazekage uses tiny particles of gold (gold dust), which therefore have a very low surface area and. Due to this low surface area, the amount of heat eat individual particle can sustain is particularly low. We then add to this the point you raised that 'gold is a good conductor' which means these particles of gold would accept this heat even better and reach their melting( or imaginary curie ) points that much quicker. That becomes a further problem due to the fact that particles (dust, crystals, rocks, etc) don't have perfectly smooth, symmetrical shapes which allow them to 'lock' perfectly together and create a sort of solid sheet. This poses a problem as this means there are very tiny pockets of space between each individual particle reducing the rate and efficiency of heat transfer from one particle to another. Because of their extremely small sizes, gold's heat conductivity, and these tiny spaces, these gold particles would have melted long before they successfully transferred spread their heat throughout the entire wave. Due to this, there is now a thick sheet of de-magnetized( for argument sake of course, since we know gold isn't even supposed to be magnetic ) gold at the forefront of the wave. This right there would already slow the movement of the wave if not halt it all together.

The gold has to actually touch mei to be of any effect, since these jutsu's are based around contact killing, therefore there will come a point where it's close enough. Mei can spit the lava into instead of the standard wave arc. Furthermore, she could potentially simply move her head while spitting out that stream to cover a wider zone, making contact possibility greater. On the off chance that he simply thins it out, there still needs to be a point where he has to converge on her, or encircle her. Once that point is reached, simple globules of lava is all it takes to reduce the forefront of that gold molten. The point is, as long as this gold is near, the forefront of it can be easily turned into a stream of molten. There's not even a reason to believe that a piece of that hot gold, hitting mei, would even be of any problem as; Unless stated otherwise, the lady seems to be highly tolerant, if not immune, to high/low pH's and High temperatures( as can see by her wiping streaming lava down her lips with no adverse effects).

The point of the pH is that changing pH isn't a simple task of flipping a switch. Heating( by applying fire ), or cooling( by applying water ) is far easier than changing the pH of an acid. To adjust a pH, you need to add Ions to the substance; Mei being able to somehow Ionize the water, in her suiton by possibly using just the heat energy of her katon( opinion, not fact so don't ask for proof. It's an assumption as to how the hell she'd do it), is far more impressive than increasing the temperature of Lava before of possibly even after producing/expelling it. What's a bit insane is to think that mei can't raise the level of her lava at least before spitting it out, thereby adjusting this rapid cooling effect which you assumed to be a slash of more than 25%. After all, there are shinobi who spit magma, and even encase themselves in magma, which can be hotter than lava.
 
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I'll admit, you know your science and I've never had such an interesting scientific debate on here( majoring in a scientific field by chance?)... but Let me just put some point forward and see how you take them.



I'll dismiss the Lava point since there's not much I can show you with still images to convey that kind of point without Kishi explicitly stating it. It's in that same way that if kishi didn't make mei state she neutralized the pH of her acid, we could have just assumed it somehow dispersed and diluted enough. Now, you make a valid point with the gold. However, the kazekage uses tiny particles of gold (gold dust), which therefore have a very low surface area and. Due to this low surface area, the amount of heat eat individual particle can sustain is particularly low. We then add to this the point you raised that 'gold is a good conductor' which means these particles of gold would accept this heat even better and reach their melting( or imaginary curie ) points that much quicker. That becomes a further problem due to the fact that particles (dust, crystals, rocks, etc) don't have perfectly smooth, symmetrical shapes which allow them to 'lock' perfectly together and create a sort of solid sheet. This poses a problem as this means there are very tiny pockets of space between each individual particle reducing the rate and efficiency of heat transfer from one particle to another. Because of their extremely small sizes, gold's heat conductivity, and these tiny spaces, these gold particles would have melted long before they successfully transferred spread their heat throughout the entire wave. Due to this, there is now a thick sheet of de-magnetized( for argument sake of course, since we know gold isn't even supposed to be magnetic ) gold at the forefront of the wave. This right there would already slow the movement of the wave if not halt it all together.
I agree, most scientific debate I have had. And no, I am not majoring, I am still 16 years old, I am simply good at science because I am in the IB program and take 2 sciences at a higher level (which would give me 6 credits for Bio, 6 credits for chemistry at Colombia University) which may be a reason to why I am pretty good at science. You yourself are also very good in science.



The conductivity of Gold is approximately 30 times the conductivity of water. This means that even with their relatively low surface area (when independent), they still would transfer energy relatively quickly. Moroever, your point is in support of my claims. You claim that surface area matters, and that would be in disadvantage of the small gold dust. However, if they are all joined, they would end up doing nearly the same things as gold of the same mass as a single piece. Why? For instance, more heat will be lost from a home through a larger window than through a smaller window of the same composition and thickness. More heat will be lost from a home through a larger roof than through a smaller roof with the same insulation characteristics. Each individual particle on the surface of an object is involved in the heat conduction process. An object with a wider area has more surface particles working to conduct heat. As such, the rate of heat transfer is directly proportional to the surface area through which the heat is being conducted. The gold dust would be directly in contact with other gold dust, it would create an effect similar to a single piece of the same mass of gold, instead of the billions of gold dust pieces. However, it is correct that it is not as effective as fully connected gold, it is still connected through thinner connections between the gold. Saying this would heavily affect the gold is fallacious, efficiency isn't as affected as you are making it to be. This implies that all this surface area will be in advantage of the high conductivity of gold, and will thus transfer heat throughout a lot of the gold (not all of it), until it cools down to relatively atmospheric temperatures (room temperature is what was meant). It wouldn't be a thick sheet of delocalised gold dust. He can move the gold in more than one direction.. This would mean while a small portion of the gold dust isn't magnetic anymore, the large majority can still be moved around and attack Mei. She cannot affect large waves at once, she would affect the gold dust on the surface and somewhat beneath, but not the ones in the centre or on the bottom. Moreover, if one were to say that she would've hit all his gold dust with lava, once can also say by that time, a large portions would've already oiled below the curie point, thus becoming effectively magnetic once again (in advantage of the fact that substances are cooled the quickest from their initial temperatures. Saying the newly formed rock wouldn't allow the gold underneath to move would also be naive. Lava at temperatures of (what you claim) 1200 celsius is considered high in Iron since it is Mafic lava. this could be manipulated, and the Iron could be pulled out to make more magnetic substances for the Yondaime Kazekage to control.


The gold has to actually touch mei to be of any effect, since these jutsu's are based around contact killing, therefore there will come a point where it's close enough. Mei can spit the lava into instead of the standard wave arc. Furthermore, she could potentially simply move her head while spitting out that stream to cover a wider zone, making contact possibility greater. On the off chance that he simply thins it out, there still needs to be a point where he has to converge on her, or encircle her. Once that point is reached, simple globules of lava is all it takes to reduce the forefront of that gold molten. The point is, as long as this gold is near, the forefront of it can be easily turned into a stream of molten. There's not even a reason to believe that a piece of that hot gold, hitting mei, would even be of any problem as; Unless stated otherwise, the lady seems to be highly tolerant, if not immune, to high/low pH's and High temperatures( as can see by her wiping streaming lava down her lips with no adverse effects).
High speed projectiles can be blocked with extremely thin gold dust masses of equal size to the lava 'projectiles'. Lava has not shown to have any force, so saying they wouldn't block it is fictitious. It would simply demagnetise the thin gold dust, and drop to the floor with the gold dust. this will soon enough harden and the gold dust will cool below curie point, thus even more things to use for his magnetic attacks. Saying once he encircles her with gold, she wins is rather inaccurate. Once she is surrounded by that much gold dust, one her attacks won't be of scale to demagnetise all of it since the demagnetised ones will simply fall down towards gravity, making space for the magnetic ones. Furthermore, even if she somehow could make all that gold dust non-magnetic, it would still be too much for her to handle due to the sheer weight. Sand is approximately 7 times less dense than Gold dust, which logically implies it is extremely heavy. Her being hit by hot gold isn't the reason for why she would die, it is the pressure that would kill her, and she hasn't shown any tolerance for high pressure (tanking capability) now has she?

The point of the pH is that changing pH isn't a simple task of flipping a switch. Heating( by applying fire ), or cooling( by applying water ) is far easier than changing the pH of an acid. To adjust a pH, you need to add Ions to the substance; Mei being able to somehow Ionize the water, in her suiton by possibly using just the heat energy of her katon( opinion, not fact so don't ask for proof. It's an assumption as to how the hell she'd do it), is far more impressive than increasing the temperature of Lava before of possibly even after producing/expelling it. What's a bit insane is to think that mei can't raise the level of her lava at least before spitting it out, thereby adjusting this rapid cooling effect which you assumed to be a slash of more than 25%. After all, there are shinobi who spit magma, and even encase themselves in magma, which can be hotter than lava.
You can't use the pH change as a reference for slight proof that lava can be heated, let alone evident proof. I would agree she could change the temperature of her lava before spitting it out by cooling it, however, I disagree that she can heat it. Her having fire relase (Katon) doesn't imply she can heat lava with fire. It is illogical. The hottest fire is oxyhydrogen, and this fire can't be replicated since not only would it probably melt her (2000 C) but would also require a 2:1 hydrogen to oxygen level which in't easy to achieve. Fire in Naruto has never reached the colour white or any brighter colour, so she can't exceed temperatures beyond 1200 C. Moreover, if she had orange Katon, she could reach <1100 degrees C. This would be the same heat as the lava you are talking about. Any red fire (which is the only thing shown in the manga yet) is >900 C at most (if it isn't clear red [hasn't been shown in manga]). She can't heat the lava more than it already is heated, and odds are she doesn't have fire the heat of 1000 degrees let alone 1200 C. She still cannot heat it after it is released. Don't compare Roshi with Mei, he only has these abilities because of the Yonbi (Son Goku). Bijuu unique abilities are beyond any ability of a shinobi's abilities.
 

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Lava nor boil release is melting Sand due to the high boiling point of sand. Not to mention its now a compound raising its boiling point. Im not sure who wins. He doesn't have automatic sand and he did get sneak attacked by Orochimaru so it can go either way IMO
 

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Lava nor boil release is melting Sand due to the high boiling point of sand. Not to mention its now a compound raising its boiling point. Im not sure who wins. He doesn't have automatic sand and he did get sneak attacked by Orochimaru so it can go either way IMO
It's gold dust, not sand. This isn't Gaara. Never the less, Gold still doesn't melt from either of these, nor will it be affected by demagnetisation for a long period since the initial temperature cools quickly below the curie point (assuming there was one).
 

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It's gold dust, not sand. This isn't Gaara. Never the less, Gold still doesn't melt from either of these, nor will it be affected by demagnetisation for a long period since the initial temperature cools quickly below the curie point (assuming there was one).
Gold dust is made from sand, call it re-enforced sand. The rest agreed
 
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