Trollkage vs Tobirama

[xcoyote]

Restrictions:ET
Location:Kage Summit
Intent:To kill
Mindset:IC
Distance:30m

Scenario2:Tobirama can use 2 ET fodder shinobi.

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[Shura]

I fail to see how Tobirama would be the victor here. The Nidaime Mizukage's Genjutsu easily puts him above the likes of Tobirama as far as I know.​

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

nidaime summons a clam. tobirama tries to rush him. his sword passes right through nidaime.
tobirama says "wtf why the f cant i hit him"
and nidaime laughs at the trollfest

 

[Europa]

Trollkage wins.

 

[Multiply]

People are underestimating the second's intelligence in this thread but I agree with the overall consensus. Trollkage probably takes this high difficulty.

 

[Penguin]

Apperenlty the Mach 143 calc came from Madara, meaning via feats the first scaling were from him before all the tiers were hypersonic+ above Mach 40 due to FRS being scaled to that.

This is Madara's scaling....yeah the pictures are missing can't link the website ...(the mods infracted me previously since it counts as advertisement)

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That's the feat.

I think I know a way I can calculate this.

In fact I think I know two ways to calculate this, although one of them may be a little dubious..

First of all I need to do some scaling.

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Madara is 20.248px and 1.7m making the scale 0.08395890952m/px.

The Gem thing is 43.658px making it 3.67m.

With that scaling I can now scale the size of the BB.

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The Gem is 3.67m and 31.113px making the scale 0.11795712403m/px.

The BB is 75px making it 8.85m wide.

Now with that done I can proceed to the actual calc.

What I'm going to do is scale how big the gates are and then attempt to do this:

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Anyone going to answer ?

Edit : Well , I will try to do something anyway

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1/18*PI*Juubi's Torso

That means the juubi fell 0.17453292519 Of it's torso height (Whatever that might be)
So without further ado let's get to it.

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The BB is 61px and 8.85m making the scale 0.14508196721m/px.

The gate is 384px tall making it 55.71m tall.

The gate is also 189.23px making it 27.45m wide.

Now.

The gate falls it's full 90 degrees.

So we can sub in 1/4 in the place of 1/18 from what GGNK had before.

Therefore it falls:

1/4pi*55.71 = 43.75m

It would take 2.99 seconds to fall that distance.

Now we just need a distance for how far the BB fell.

This is where my two possibilities come in.

Firstly we could scale the distance we see at first for a massive lowball.

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Width of gate = 36.235px

Distance travelled = 683.17px

D/Gate = 18.8538705671

Gate = 27.45m

D = 517.54m

Speed = 173.1 m/s

But yeah that's retarded.

Instead we'll scale how far away the BB is at the end of the time frame.

The Bijuudama in this case is 17404.2m wide

The BB is 60px and the panel is 703px

2*atan(60/(703/tan(70/2))) = 6.84 Degrees.

Anglesizing we get a distance of 145.61km.

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so I hear ol Dartg needed some help with projectile motionz here

lets see :

she got the distance = 145.61 km


now we need height :

gate height from here (

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) is at least 83.33 meters tall

BB initial height can then be scaled from the gates
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^ I think we can scale altitude here correctly since we're looking at both objects directly from the side

237/450*83.33 = 43.88 m

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input ~48700 m/s to get a 145.66 km distance

48700 m/s = Mach 143

Via this scaling see how sm hashi could keep and severely blitz him on occasions should put him at mach 143+ and all the high tiers who have done/shown superior feats speed feats get that scaling...some of the mid tiers don't get the movement speed overall, but do get Mach 143 reactions...like pain and others etc And characters keeping pace with hashi's shunshin minato, Tobirama, even hiruzan (don't be surprised) got the Mach 143 scaling for keeping pace with hashi.

First of all, the Nidaime Mizukage will have no time to react to a blitz from Tobirama, but lets just say he has his clam out and the genjutsu is set. Tobirama has an easy counter.

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This is physical sensing, much like Gaara's sand. Tobirama touches the ground, and the clam is on the ground, so using the transitive property of equality, Tobirama does sense the clam.

 

[Draegod]

First of all, the Nidaime Mizukage will have no time to react to a blitz from Tobirama, but lets just say he has his clam out and the genjutsu is set. Tobirama has an easy counter.

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This is physical sensing, much like Gaara's sand. Tobirama touches the ground, and the clam is on the ground, so using the transitive property of equality, Tobirama does sense the clam.

Not Physical sensing nor is it close to being physical sensing. Gaara's Sensor sand Literally touches it's targets and leaches on to it/them. Tobirama/Minato Finger tracking is used to track opponents, and it isnt the same as Gaara's sensor sand that Literally touches the clam. Manga Fact:

No matter what you do or how hard you try, as long as that Genjutsu and clam are out you are in a infinite Genjutsu! Sharingan/rinnegan (Byakugan Has Xray vision that can find the clam) doesnt matter, you cannot break out of a genjutsu that will always have you in it. It's like trying to turn the light switch off but the light stays on. That basically means you have to eliminate the light bulb to get rid of the light only!

2nd Mizukage Literally tanks any jutsu ever shown by Tobirama. And If The 2nd is stupid enough to Blitz, he dies from drowning. lmao

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[Penguin]

Not Physical sensing nor is it close to being physical sensing. Gaara's Sensor sand Literally touches it's targets and leaches on to it/them. Tobirama/Minato Finger tracking is used to track opponents, and it isnt the same as Gaara's sensor sand that Literally touches the clam. Manga Fact:

No matter what you do or how hard you try, as long as that Genjutsu and clam are out you are in a infinite Genjutsu! Sharingan/rinnegan (Byakugan Has Xray vision that can find the clam) doesnt matter, you cannot break out of a genjutsu that will always have you in it. It's like trying to turn the light switch off but the light stays on. That basically means you have to eliminate the light bulb to get rid of the light only!

2nd Mizukage Literally tanks any jutsu ever shown by Tobirama. And If The 2nd is stupid enough to Blitz, he dies from drowning. lmao

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Is the clam touching the ground? Suiton: Suidanha destroys the clam when Tobirama finds it. FTG means he is not capable of being drowned. He severely outspeeds the Mizukage. The Mizukage cannot summon the clam unless he wants to get blitz'd.

 

[Aya San]

Tobirama is at a severe disadvantage here

 

[Draegod]

Is the clam touching the ground? Suiton: Suidanha destroys the clam when Tobirama finds it. FTG means he is not capable of being drowned. He severely outspeeds the Mizukage. The Mizukage cannot summon the clam unless he wants to get blitz'd.

LMAO What? He gets drowned period! If You FTG, you FTG With what ever is with you or "touching your chakra" I.E. the User.

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Water is on him, touching him, and in his Mouth/nose/ears. He will Drown Unless you have a way for him to avoid it not Named FTG. Once the Clam is up, and it will happen since Mizu cannot be killed by Tobirama, Tobirama looses badly! Joki Boy and Clam Mirage Rapes him!

 

[Penguin]

LMAO What? He gets drowned period! If You FTG, you FTG With what ever is with you or "touching your chakra" I.E. the User.

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Water is on him, touching him, and in his Mouth/nose/ears. He will Drown Unless you have a way for him to avoid it not Named FTG. Once the Clam is up, and it will happen since Mizu cannot be killed by Tobirama, Tobirama looses badly! Joki Boy and Clam Mirage Rapes him!

False. Lol

You can choose what teleports with you. I didn't see that ball attached to him before the FTG by the way.

 

[Draegod]

False. Lol

You can choose what teleports with you. I didn't see that ball attached to him before the FTG by the way.

Stubborn minato/tobirama fans get old and tiring. Do you really think Tobirama wins or are you just fanboying like usual?

 

[KingHashirama]

Stubborn minato/tobirama fans get old and tiring. Do you really think Tobirama wins or are you just fanboying like usual?

he is simply going with the manga.

 

[KidGamer65]

Trollkage takes this mid diff at best.

First of all, the Nidaime Mizukage will have no time to react to a blitz from Tobirama, but lets just say he has his clam out and the genjutsu is set. Tobirama has an easy counter.

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This is physical sensing, much like Gaara's sand. Tobirama touches the ground, and the clam is on the ground, so using the transitive property of equality, Tobirama does sense the clam.

Again with this nonsense? That isn't physical sensing, I don't know how many times someone is going to have to explain it you.

-Is Tobirama using the ground to sense? Obviously not.

-Is Gaara using the sand to sense? Obviously.

Tobirama blitzing him? With what speed feat is he going to blitz him before he can do anything? That's pure wank, not to mention he has the hydrafication technique, so what is he going to do? He can't hurt him with a simple sword.

 

[Draegod]

he is simply going with the manga.

I know you think Tobirama wins because he is a senju like his brother which is your favorite. So I expect you to say any senju wins any match up no matter what.

 

[Optimistic]

I do believe Draegod said what needed to be said.TrollKage wins.

Moreover Tobirama isn't blitzing anyone without FTG, his speed(shunshin) is horrendously overrated.