[VS] Official Tsunade vs Hiashi Hyuga Debate

[-Sky-]

Hiashi is a Taijutsu master paired with Gentle fist, The Leafs strongest Taijutsu style. Most likely the strongest form of Taijutsu in the manga.

Tsunade is a Taijutsu master with super strength, what's your point? We can hype this all day, but manga and databooks say Tsunade can go toe to toe with anyone in Taijutsu, seeing as she has a 5.

Cant Tsunade replicate the same feat with that Yin Seal of hers ?

Perhaps. Regeneration should have the same effect.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Ahhh the old plot no Jutsu argument Lol I'm going to ignore that, as it was clearly established by Naruto that its possible to still force out chakra.

To the Madara battle point, I'm not disputing what could have happened, I'm pointing out what did happen. I pointed it out to show that Hiashi Hyuuga is nowhere near capable of doing to Tsunade what Madara did to her.

And I think she's landing a hit on him because she's a Taijutsu master paired with super strength (._.) She can change the terrain of the battlefield on a whim, etc. She's the Leaf's Hokage and she knows everything about the fighting styles of her villagers.

If you read the manga you would know what helped the plot no jutsu to be successful. as Exxar kindly pointed out. i could have sworn that was common sense. Nine-tails is apart of plot no jutsu for most of narutos battles.

And im pointing out what happened to, he left them alone after he was bored and when the battle was dragged on. He got bored. If his intent was to kill them then i can assure you there would be no kage currently.

She has super strength and poor speed, she isn't landing a hit, This dude has 360 degree vision along with juuken she ain't landing shiz. Knowing something and countering it are two different things. She has no counter for it therefore she is transformed into slug princess fodder. Your also forgetting the juuken style is the strongest in the leaf, last time i checked she doesn't perform juuken style techniques AND Haishi is a Juuken master

 

[-Sky-]

If you read the manga you would know what helped the plot no jutsu to be successful. as Exxar kindly pointed out. i could have sworn that was common sense. Nine-tails is apart of plot no jutsu for most of narutos battles.

And im pointing out what happened to, he left them alone after he was bored and when the battle was dragged on. He got bored. If his intent was to kill them then i can assure you there would be no kage currently.

She has super strength and poor speed, she isn't landing a hit, This dude has 360 degree vision along with juuken she ain't landing shiz. Knowing something and countering it are two different things. She has no counter for it therefore she is transformed into slug princess fodder.

And Yin Seal is plot no jutsu for most of Tsunade's battles. What are you trying to say here?

Okay. Whatever you say man. Legendary Sannin and Leaf village Hokage = fodder to TheTailedSage

Tsunade is a master of evasion, and of Taijustu. But you and most on this thread will ignore this because of bias or some other stupid sh*t.

You still haven't listed any counters to Katzuyu btw.

Now your going off databook hype and feats....

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The databook says many things, it says oro and itachi both have 5 in gen but we know what itachi did to oro as a teen

Yes, I am. Databook was made by the author of the manga.

And I couldn't care less about Oro vs Itachi. Itachi is a genjutsu god.

 

[Bieber]

Hiashi mid-diff at best.

 

[Turson]

Unless this fight is restricted only to Taijutsu I dont see Hiashi winning this. Then again, even if Tsunade was restricted only to Taijutsu I dont see how Kaiten could save Hiashi from something like this. ->

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Tsunade takes this with medium difficulty.

Most likely the strongest form of Taijutsu in the manga.

That would be Frog Katas IMO.

 

[TheTailedSage]

And Yin Seal is plot no jutsu for most of Tsunade's battles. What are you trying to say here?

Okay. Whatever you say man. Legendary Sannin and Leaf village Hokage = fodder to TheTailedSage

Tsunade is a master of evasion, and of Taijustu. But you and most on this thread will ignore this because of bias or some other stupid sh*t.

You still haven't listed any counters to Katzuyu btw.

But its her own chakra, the nine tails is a complletely different sorce of chakra which is why he wss able to break free of 64 palms effect. She has no secondary source of chakra. Yin seal is still he chakra so it has no effect on juuken, she would be wasting chakra if she tried to use Yin seal.

Your barber > Satan

Facts>Databook

If i was biased i would be siding with Tsunade for the sole fact that she's hokage. Im looking deeper into things and taking in the styles for consideration. Not everyone on this thread can be wrong so i say you question your own logic. Its like everyone saying kabuto has grey hair and you trying to think of something that contradicts that fact.

Obito was the strongest in NV untill her got defeated.. your point?? just because shes the master of Evasion doesnt mean she cant be hit :/ she isnt dodging air palm or vaccum palm.

Ive already told you Tsunade doesnt summon katsuya at the beginnign of the battle and her purpose is medical, shes not going to bring her out unless its called for. By that time her chakra points are blocked

 

[Headmaster]

This is so pathetic how much people downgrade tsunade.
Tsunade wins low diff.

 

[NarutoIndra]

This is so pathetic how much people downgrade tsunade.
Tsunade wins low diff.

Lol? WTF. It is pathetic how much you are overestimating Tsunade.. Hiashi without Neji's feats loses Extremely High Diff. Hiashi with Neji feats wins... What are you saying......

 

[Bogard]

Unless this fight is restricted only to Taijutsu I dont see Hiashi winning this. Then again, even if Tsunade was restricted only to Taijutsu I dont see how Kaiten could save Hiashi from something like this. ->

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Tsunade takes this with medium difficulty.


That would be Frog Katas IMO.

Restricted to taijutsu? What else could Tsunade do? Or are you talking about Katsuyu?

Concerning your picture

1- Sakura with a 3years conserved chakra isn't Tsunade

2- Ok the blast push him away, so what? If you talk about a direct hit, it would do nothing to someone who countered Juubi's palms(comparable to a Bijuu in terms of size)

 

[TheTailedSage]

Yes, I am. Databook was made by the author of the manga.

And I couldn't care less about Oro vs Itachi. Itachi is a genjutsu god.

aaaaand in that logic so is orochimaru

 

[-Sky-]

But its her own chakra, the nine tails is a complletely different sorce of chakra which is why he wss able to break free of 64 palms effect. She has no secondary source of chakra. Yin seal is still he chakra so it has no effect on juuken, she would be wasting chakra if she tried to use Yin seal.

Your barber > Satan

Facts>Databook

If i was biased i would be siding with Tsunade for the sole fact that she's hokage. Im looking deeper into things and taking in the styles for consideration. Not everyone on this thread can be wrong so i say you question your own logic. Its like everyone saying kabuto has grey hair and you trying to think of something that contradicts that fact.

Obito was the strongest in NV untill her got defeated.. your point?? just because shes the master of Evasion doesnt mean she cant be hit :/ she isnt dodging air palm or vaccum palm.

Ive already told you Tsunade doesnt summon katsuya at the beginnign of the battle and her purpose is medical, shes not going to bring her out unless its called for. By that time her chakra points are blocked

Yin Seal is a secondary source of chakra. She stores it up over a length of time only to release it when she is in need of it.

My barber is > than satan thank you.

The Databook is still source material. I would consider it secondary to the manga, yes. But the only instances I'll ignore the Databook is when the manga directly contradicts it.

What makes you think she can't dodge that? She's a medically ninja. Trained to dodge attacks.

Oh okay, go ahead and say she can't summon Katsuyu It's clearly convenient for you in this situation.

Katsuyu wins this, and so does Tsunade.

 

[TheTailedSage]

This is so pathetic how much people downgrade tsunade.
Tsunade wins low diff.

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settle down, lets get our head out from between Tsuandes legs now. If you come up with teh katsuya excuse that just shows how pathetic tsunade really is if she has to summon at the beginning of a match. Which she wouldn't do anyway

 

[Turson]

Restricted to taijutsu? What else could Tsunade do? Or are you talking about Katsuyu?

Obviously, as its big part of Tsunades power. But then again, I dont think she would need to summon her in this case.

1- Sakura with a 3years conserved chakra isn't Tsunade

Thats right, Tsunade is even stronger. In fact, in that scene Sakura didnt even open her seal.

2- Ok the blast push him away, so what?

It wouldnt just push him away, it would f**k him up IMO. Reason? The damage comes from the bottom.

 

[Headmaster]

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settle down, lets get our head out from between Tsuandes legs now. If you come up with teh katsuya excuse that just shows how pathetic tsunade really is if she has to summon at the beginning of a match. Which she wouldn't do anyway

Shut up your are so sick and perverted. Why would i want my head bewteen a fictional character legs. If that's what your into leave me out if it.

I'm not going to agrue against the bs you guys are spiting.

tsunade is slow, and etc

 

[TheTailedSage]

Yin Seal is a secondary source of chakra. She stores it up over a length of time only to release it when she is in need of it.

My barber is > than satan thank you.

The Databook is still source material. I would consider it secondary to the manga, yes. But the only instances I'll ignore the Databook is when the manga directly contradicts it.

What makes you think she can't dodge that? She's a medically ninja. Trained to dodge attacks.

Oh okay, go ahead and say she can't summon Katsuyu It's clearly convenient for you in this situation.

Katsuyu wins this, and so does Tsunade.

Its still connected to her chakra network, The ninetails is a separate chakra sorce and is much more powerful than normal chakra. hypothetically speaking if Yin seal wasnt connected to her chakra network and it was a secondary source, its still normal charka and is not powerful enough to break Juuken styles effects.

Your barber should be locked up for his multiple crimes, his first offence: your haircut

And rock lee is trained in genjutsu... again your point? Gentle fist techs are invisible and unless she has sharingan she's not going to know its coming hence why she cant dodge it. As for normal juuken fighting i'm not saying she gets hit straight away but she will get hit Juuken is just the strongest form of Taijutsu in The leaf. By your logic she should be able to dodge anything.

I never said she couldn't i said its not like Tsunade to summon straight away.

 

[-Sky-]

Its still connected to her chakra network, The ninetails is a separate chakra sorce and is much more powerful than normal chakra. hypothetically speaking if Yin seal wasnt connected to her chakra network and it was a secondary source, its still normal charka and is not powerful enough to break Juuken styles effects.

Your barber should be locked up for his multiple crimes, his first offence: your haircut

And rock lee is trained in genjutsu... again your point? Gentle fist techs are invisible and unless she has sharingan she's not going to know its coming hence why she cant dodge it. As for normal juuken fighting i'm not saying she gets hit straight away but she will get hit Juuken is just the strongest form of Taijutsu in The leaf. By your logic she should be able to dodge anything.

I never said she couldn't i said its not like Tsunade to summon straight away.

No, it's another storage of chakra. Just like a Jinchuriki. And how is it not powerful enough? Have you really ignored all its feats?

Don't be hating on my hair

Tsunade is able to dodge mostly anything. Anything except tech's like Amaterasu, Totsuka, Susano'o Arrow, Kamui, etc. However, the subject at hand is Vaccum palm and Wind Palm, so nothing else really matters in this subject. Yes, I think she can dodge it. That's a subjective opinion of mine, but I believe she can do it because evasion is her forte.

She can still summon Katsuyu for goodness sakes. All this sh*t is moot unless Hiashi has counters to that, which he doesn't. Your only counter is, "Oh she doesn't summon her right away." She has knowledge on Hiashi. If she thinks she can't take him she'll summon Katsuyu, it's really not that complex.

 

[TheTailedSage]

No, it's another storage of chakra. Just like a Jinchuriki. And how is it not powerful enough? Have you really ignored all its feats?

Don't be hating on my hair

Tsunade is able to dodge mostly anything. Anything except tech's like Amaterasu, Totsuka, Susano'o Arrow, Kamui, etc. However, the subject at hand is Vaccum palm and Wind Palm, so nothing else really matters in this subject. Yes, I think she can dodge it. That's a subjective opinion of mine, but I believe she can do it because evasion is her forte.

She can still summon Katsuyu for goodness sakes. All this sh*t is moot unless Hiashi has counters to that, which he doesn't. Your only counter is, "Oh she doesn't summon her right away." She has knowledge on Hiashi. If she thinks she can't take him she'll summon Katsuyu, it's really not that complex.

It supplies more chakra no where does it indicate that the chakra stored is above average chakra, if it does show me a scan.

LOOOOL

She didnt do so well with yaska magatama and last time i check she was going toe to toe with part 1 kabuto which means she can be hit clearly. How is she dodging it? its your opinion but explain further how she dodges it.

And that counter still remains because she hasnt ever summoned at the beginning of a battle, not many people have. If she does summon katsuya then of course she wins but Haishi inst going to let her do that, which is why he blocks her chkara points. Exactly my point. unless she thinks hes too powerful at the beginning of the match then katsuya is either here nor there. So you admit that Tsuande is inferior to Hiashi by herself?? you just shot yourself in the foot.

 

[-Sky-]

It supplies more chakra no where does it indicate that the chakra stored is above average chakra, if it does show me a scan.

LOOOOL

She didnt do so well with yaska magatama and last time i check she was going toe to toe with part 1 kabuto which means she can be hit clearly. How is she dodging it? its your opinion but explain further how she dodges it.

And that counter still remains because she hasnt ever summoned at the beginning of a battle, not many people have. If she does summon katsuya then of course she wins but Haishi inst going to let her do that, which is why he blocks her chkara points. Exactly my point. unless she thinks hes too powerful at the beginning of the match then katsuya is either here nor there. So you admit that Tsuande is inferior to Hiashi by herself?? you just shot yourself in the foot.

No, if she thinks she's inferior, she'll summon Katsuyu and win.

If she doesn't think that, then she'll beat the sh*t out of him using the power from her Yin Seal, like so.

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Basically, Tsunade decides how she wins here. Lol It's not a match

 

[TheTailedSage]

No, if she thinks she's inferior, she'll summon Katsuyu and win.

If she doesn't think that, then she'll beat the sh*t out of him using the power from her Yin Seal, like so.

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Basically, Tsunade decides how she wins here. Lol It's not a match

Oooook :s ill just agree to disagree

 

[KingHashirama]

You do realize naruto has a bijuu inside him right?.

Naruto wasn't able to force any chakra out, Thats why he asked for the kyuubi's chakra, So unless tsunade has a bijuu, She isn't doing anything of the sort.



Hiashi is a Taijutsu master paired with Gentle fist, The Leafs strongest Taijutsu style. Most likely the strongest form of Taijutsu in the manga.

Tsunade is the best combatant period.. Automatically put superior to the Hyuuga in taijutsu. Kabuto a guy not expert in Taijutsu, used medical ninjutsu with taijutsu and turned extremely dangerous..