Pain is stronger than Hashirama and Madara in their first fight.

[-Punk-]

Hashimara sucks . In Madara we Trust .

 

[Sageof7Path]

You still giving blunt answers without any explaination. Your just coming off as a fanboy and a troll........ U_U

Again that's where their power comes from so tell me how do you come to a conclusion in a fight between these two smart guy?

 

[Limbo]

Madara shitstomps Nagato with a diff below neg.
Shusenjuu ****s nagato and his CT up.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Again that's where their power comes from so tell me how do you come to a conclusion in a fight between these two smart guy?

.........What?

 

[Made in Heaven]

No . . . .

 

[AGoodBoy]

Nagato could take madara but not hashi. maybe he can take base hashi high diff if anything.

Madara - the only trouble madara poses is PS, but that can be absorbed while the shockwave blocked by ST. even if nagato doesn't block the entire shockwave, simply blocking the portion directly coming towards him would suffice.

Hashirama - Hashirama is a bit more troublesome and, in fact, he would win if he entered SM as Sage mode grants him the ultimate powers of the sage's body which would directly counter the ultimate powers of the sage's eyes granted to nagato by the rinnegan. This coupled with the fact that the properties of hashirama's main technique, Mokuton, directly resemble that of the creator of all life, shinju, means Mokuton would be able to absorb nagato's chakra while not allowing nagato to absorb it. The fact that mokuton can't be absorbed puts massive strain on nagato as he has to now use the rest of his arsenal to fend off bijuu level attacks along with hashirama's other abilities.

TL;DR; hashirama wins mid/high in base; Low in SM. Madara in all forms loses. PS coated Kurama would bring it to a possible high diff.

 

[VongolaX]

Madara read the secrets of the rinnegan and all techniques before the fight with Hashirama.

Hashirama already knew rinnegan tensei when obito was being controlled by Madara.

^^So intel is no problem

Both Hashirama and EMS Madara have the power to @ssrape Nagato like no tomorrow.

If people are posting Nagato wins, your a fanboy and there is no logic whatsoever.

 

[VongolaX]

I wonder how they counter such thing

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Well you tell me

Hanzo did a good job in doing that.

Leaving Nagato cripple and lifeless


The fact that Hachibi uppercut and tossed Gedo around, doesn't make Gedo impressive at all.

Gedo is just a shell, a fragile shell

 

[xxSAGExx]

Maybe but rinnegan isn't strong against genjutsu....an ems level genjutsu or tsukuyomi from madara could beat nagato...also hashirama has SM...i think hashirama and madara could have defeated nagato...

You have no proof that the Rinnegan isn't strong against genjutsu, only genjutsu that even shown to work against him was sound genjutsu that also worked on Itachi and Sasuke. Itachi never used Visual genjutsu on Nagato while he did on Bee who broke out. As far as we know Itachi probably knew visual genjutsus didn't work against Nagato while not knowing about Perfect Jins can break them. I do think Madara and Hashirama win tho. Madara had Kurama and Hashirama most likely had the other Bijuus since he was Hokage when he fought and he was Hokage when he was offering them to the other nations. As Hokage Hashirama can't juts go out looking for Bijuus so he either had them already or every one attacked the village at some point which seem unlikely.

EMS madara can't beat rinnegan Nagato and Hashirama has a chance but it's highly unlikely.

EMS Madara had Kurama while Hashirama most likely have 2-8 Bijuus so that's how they can win low diff. Madara against the 6 paths? A non serious Madara man handled the 5 kages with EMs/Rinnegan but he was mostly using wood jutsus, fire, and Susanoo against them with minimal absorbing. If serious then he could have won with just MS, he was owning them when he made 25 wood clones which all used Susanoo. Madara turns Pains 6 to 1 into 6 to 25 (while he watch). 1 Path fighting 5 Madara's with Leg Susanoo.

Hashirama can do the same, it was his wood clone that Madara used and he has more chakra than Madara. This would eliminate the shared vision due to fighting their own battles while letting Madara and Hashirama learn about the Pain's jutsus. Flower tree world will kill them as well or make Pain use almighty push which only weakens him. Madara and Hashirama have jutsus that with stood a normal tbb close range and was about the same size as almighty push.

 

[YellowFang]

I believe Six Paths of Pain with their secret can pull off this victory...

 

[xxSAGExx]

Again that's where their power comes from so tell me how do you come to a conclusion in a fight between these two smart guy?

It's not all about their eyes, their eyes are merely tools that they use and Madara mastered the sharingan far beyond anyone and he was the one who taught Obito the Sage's jutsus and Nagato showed no knowledge of the Sage's jutsus until meeting Obito so it's likely Obito taught him like he taught Itachi. Madara can make 25 clones with susanoo to fight Nagato and get in close. Trick is pushing Nagato constantly and attack during an opening, Madara read the tablet so have the info he needs.

I believe Six Paths of Pain with their secret can pull off this victory...

25 clones with leg Susanoo would split the Pains up and finish them off. Wouldn't take Madara long to figure out which have which abilities and fight them accordingly. Last on standing would be Deva path which can't repel 25 clones constantly attacking, like 5 attack him and Nagato blast them back which leaves him open for the next wave of susanoos. Madara read the tablet so have the info he needs.

Hashirama can also make clones and flower tree world would kill them if it doesn't crush them.

Nagato could take madara but not hashi. maybe he can take base hashi high diff if anything.

Madara - the only trouble madara poses is PS, but that can be absorbed while the shockwave blocked by ST. even if nagato doesn't block the entire shockwave, simply blocking the portion directly coming towards him would suffice.

Hashirama - Hashirama is a bit more troublesome and, in fact, he would win if he entered SM as Sage mode grants him the ultimate powers of the sage's body which would directly counter the ultimate powers of the sage's eyes granted to nagato by the rinnegan. This coupled with the fact that the properties of hashirama's main technique, Mokuton, directly resemble that of the creator of all life, shinju, means Mokuton would be able to absorb nagato's chakra while not allowing nagato to absorb it. The fact that mokuton can't be absorbed puts massive strain on nagato as he has to now use the rest of his arsenal to fend off bijuu level attacks along with hashirama's other abilities.

TL;DR; hashirama wins mid/high in base; Low in SM. Madara in all forms loses. PS coated Kurama would bring it to a possible high diff.

You should add the fact that Madara has Kurama as a summonin this fight since it's EMS Madara and he shown that he can make 25 clones using leg Susanoo to fight kage level ninja and that's him playing around. What do you think he'll do serious to the Paths or Nagato himself?

If they can get past some of Nagato's animals.

Madara and Hashirama are Bijuu level fighters who both have Bijuus under their command. Both can make clones to wipe out the summoning. Madara's clone with Susanoo wipe them out (Dog would only take 1 clone to fight it's multiplying) then go for Nagato with 24 clones plus himself. Hashirama can use Flower tree world to take them out in 1 move plus has wood clones.

What does Madara have except for his EMS sharingan which is inferior to the rinngegan. Again Nagato is stronger and would beat EMS Madara he would give Hashirama trouble.

It doesn't matter if the Rinnegan is stronger, Madara mastered the Sharingan far beyond anyone and we seen ninjas who beat enemies who were much stronger than them so it's not all about power. Madara better experiences, he's skilled in kenjutsus, kinjutsus, have knowledge on a wide array of jutsus, fan reflects attacks, can create many clones. You also seem to forget EMS Madara had Kurama under his control and could summon him while Hashirama had Bijuus 2-8 under his control in VoTE then 2-9 after that fight.

You people act like Nagto is just going to sit around and wait for Madara to use the susano sword and you've all been using it like a crutch well tell you what if that's the only thing Madara has going for him against nagato(Which it must be because that's the ONLY thing you talk about) then Madara Uchiha is doomed. With the rinnegan Nagato has so many ways to own Madara it isn't funny. I don't understand how you people are comming up with this EMS > Rinnegan BS. It's pure fan boy logic. The sword is NINJUTSU just like every technique that comes from the EMS! Sasuke's Susano techniques wouldn't work on Obito Uchiha without jugo. Why do you think that is? It's because it's a NINJUTSU and Obito Uchihas technique negated Ninjtusu. Could Sasuke use the perfect susano sword on Obito Uchiha? NO! Now I'm not saying that Nagato's rinnegan negate ninjutsu like obitos technique did. But I'm saying that Nagato's rinnegan do what? Absorb nin jutsu. That sword has no way of sealing anyone with the rinnegan because it is a ninjutsu that will ultimately be absorbed by the rinnegan. When you come to terms with the fact that every technique coming from EMS can be absorbed by the rinnegan and is inferior to the technequres of the rinnegan you will no longer have a crutch as to why you think Madara Uchiha even stands a chance against someone with the RGN. It's like you people refuse to acknowledge the rinnegan has a shit tone of abilities ONE of which can totally nutralize ALL(INCLUDING THE SWORD) of Madara's offense but are to caught up on this sword which wont even matter in their fight. It would just prolong the inevitable that Nagatos techniques end up being to much for those of the ems and MU loses. The fact that all of you put all of MU's credibility in this fight into one sword which is NJ and would be absorbed only shows how you are all desperate MU fans.

You keep saying absorb but he can't absorb the PS slash shockwave which is not chakra but the force from the slash. Madara also used an array of ninja weapons, his fan reflects attacks and is attached to a blade. As Nagato is absorbing chakra, Madara's clone attacks him with his blade

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. Nagato can't do nothing to the sword unless it's about to hit him and he uses his absorbing ability but hat leaves him open to a fatal slash in the back by a clone. His share vision gone due to the clones. Also if you're going to Rate EMS Madara with Nagato then no rinnegan any way since Madara would have to be edo Madara who would drop a meteor on whoever. EMS Madara during VoTE had Kurama, Madara lost Kurama after that fight but gain Senju DNA, Wood jutsu, Gedo Medo (he could summon and control it without Rinnegan since he told Obito he could with jut Senju/Uchiha DNA) and the Rinnegan. Madara new al of the Rinnegan jutsus cause he taught Obito the Sage's jutsus.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Doesn't change anything. Nagato trained his Rinnegan his whole life while Madara got them before his 'death'.

I feel it holds great relevance....without Madara Nagato has no Rinnegan. On top of that Nagato didn't even know he was borrowing the eyes. You cannot claim something that was meant to be borrowed, right? Madara had every intention of getting his eyes back.


Also...Madara is more skilled imho. Look at what Madara did in 5 minutes with the Rinnegan compared to Nagato using Madaras eyes. Madara also...references that Nagato managed to grow, I believe implying Madara was already at that level Nagato was at with his eyes. Imho Nagato cannot claim the Rinnegan because they are borrowed eyes.

 

[Aya San]

Obito utilized Kamui better the first 2 mins he got it than Kakashi after years of training, just now Kakashi managed to get a bit better. Not saying it's the same in Madara's case but it's plausible, besides it's Madara.

In Madara we trust

 

[MrLukyso]

VoTE EMS Madara > Nagato, proved countless times, if you want to debate, come at me.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You should add the fact that Madara has Kurama as a summonin this fight since it's EMS Madara and he shown that he can make 25 clones using leg Susanoo to fight kage level ninja and that's him playing around. What do you think he'll do serious to the Paths or Nagato himself?

He still loses with Kurama. Nagato's plethora of summoning's are more than enough to take kurama. Nagato simply stays airborne on the bird while having the dog, crab, rhino, and bull rage Kurama. Kurama would be kept nicely at bay while Nagato does work on Madara.

As to your Bushin comment, that's an Edo madara exclusive. They were mokuton bushin, which ems madara can't use. People need to learn the difference between edo madara and ems madara and stop bringing up Meteors and Clones....

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Remember Hashi=Naruto on steroids especially since he has Sage Mode Sage Mode>> Preta Path XD Giant Buddha Statue of OP# of hands> Human Path
Deep Forest Emergence+Madara shooting a large amount of fire into the forest=GG Naraka Path
Shinra Tensei>> Deep Forest Destruction
Perfect Susano Plus GIant Buddha Statue=GG Deva Path
Forest Emergence+ Fire Annihilation= GG Animal Path

Also remember there is a limit to how much Nagato can absorb at once you act as though he could just absorb like Biju level shiz with no diff when he couldnt absorb a Rasenshuriken completely :l

 

[Onetimepost2]

I'm not a moron you're just a fan boy who can't accept facts.

you have no facts lol.....nagato cannot deal with the shockwave of ps and nagato cant aabsorb mokuton.....actually these are just nagato's worst matchup actually and anybody saaying Nagato would stomp them is overestimating nagato.....if totsua blitz got him hes not doing nothing against a ps sword......or forest emeregence

 

[voids]

Pain? nope. Nagato like he was when edo? Yes. Pain showed us amazing feats, such as, the giant rock ball in the sky. Nagato is far stronger (stated by Naruto) therefore his prowess would be incredible. Plus did Kabuto not say Nagato was his strongest edo just after Madara, who we surmise is stronger than Hashirama? So them three are pretty close in power.

I think nagato (not pain) could beat Hashirama and Madara(ems) individually at a very high difficulty.