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This is the only interesting thing in this thread. Why? Because it means Onoki Lightened 6.7 Giga Tons to the point where he could almost lift it, with full deceleration achieved with gaara's helped.

That means, Onoki's super Lightweight rock can slash roughly 10Teragrams of Mass. Conversely, Super aggravated can add 10teragrams then.

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At your picture. Since a=x the the formula still works out... Lets say a=5 that meansx=5
2(5-5)=5-5
0=0
 

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Onoki's jutsu allows him to make things a lot lighter. Giving a thought of how much chakra he puts in. Not to mention he had Gaara and plot with him so he had to survive.

That doesn't disprove the fact that you proved onoki can weight someone to immobility. This backed up by scans of muu being cratered by the jutsu. Based on this, If onoki were to touch PS, madara would be sent to the earth's core by the sheer exponential increase in weight. He'd turn to that meteor and splat straight into the ground due to gravity

At your picture. Since a=x the the formula still works out... Lets say a=5 that meansx=5
2(5-5)=5-5
0=0
Implying I wrote that formula. I didn't fail maths, thank you.
 

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That doesn't disprove the fact that you proved onoki can weight someone to immobility. This backed up by scans of muu being cratered by the jutsu. Based on this, If onoki were to touch PS, madara would be sent to the earth's core by the sheer exponential increase in weight. He'd turn to that meteor and splat straight into the ground due to gravity


Implying I wrote that formula. I didn't fail maths, thank you.

And that would take time for Onoki to make that weight light like you claim. Manga already showed that Onoki needed like 20 seconds and with Gaara's help.
 

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I have seen a lot of members on the base claim that Madara has no counter for the Shinsuusenju, however as you can see in the title, i am here to disprove that claim by giving out a very detailed calculations using maths and physics, analysing manga panels and i will also use some of real logic where it will apply for the manga of course. I had to do so much research on meteor and had to watch videos as well. So please read through and respect my effort. Even though i made a thread like this before, but this one is much better.



Enjoy

Misconception of the meteor's size
This is a misunderstanding of the meteor size. A lot of people tend to think that meteor is smaller than mountain due to this scan:
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Because PS is mountain size and meteor is smaller than PS. However this is their mistake. The rock next to PS is only the remains of the meteor. When Madara dropped the second meteor, the 2 has collided violently causing them to divide into four fragment of rocks. These scans will help:
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and it resulted to this conclusion:
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The rock in which you see above is actually the second remain of the meteor. In the panel where the 2 rocks collide with each, we can hardly see cracks on them but when we see them in anime, it becomes much clearer:
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We can see 4 cracks on each of the sides of the 1st meteor. These cracks suggest they have been completely destroyed, so the rocks we see next to PS would be the 2nd meteor although it appears to have been damaged significantly to the point where it looked almost like a triangular conical shape more like this:
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But of course i already thought about the size of the meteor and i will do my calculations of it.

Meteor's Size
This is where i will use maths on the meteor size.
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I'll use the stone pillars that are a little to the right of the OVERWHELMING!!!, which I marked. The rock pillars average about 20m tall. They are roughly 5px tall in this panel.

The red line represents the height of the meteor, which is 207px, making it 828m high.

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Here we see the meteor, and if you look very closely (or just zoom in) you can see the rock pillars just to the right of the ! after OVERWHELMING!!! These are roughly 5px tall. The meteor is 445px long, that makes it 1780m tall. The meteor is also 410px wide, making it 1,640m wide.

Now for the volume, lets just use the ellipsoid calculator.




Input the results

A=890
B=820
C=820

Total Volume
= 2,506,722,854.99155m^3

Meteor velocity = 38.26 km/s

mass = 2,507,686,214*2700 = 6770752777800 kg

That means the meteor Madara produced is not only bigger than the Shinsuusenju but its weight is much much much heavier.

Shinsuusenju's Size
So based on his calculations, Shinsuusenju is about a Killometer half or less. However my calculations on the meteor proves that meteor dwarfs the Shinsuusenju. Therefore meteor is bigger than the buddah. That's one proof that it can destroy it.

Meteor's Falling Speed
This is going to be hard because we first need to know the size Naruto's planet so i decided to calculate that as well.

Naruto's size planet
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Although its not accurate i have to say but i will need it for my thread. Its better than non.

(359/67.68)*88,413.75km = 468,979.55 km - circumference


Naruto planets diameter = 468,979.55/pi = 149,280.8 km

I will be using this website to give me better idea of how to calculate the meteor's falling speed:



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If you guys read the website, you will know that my calculations are correct. So by following the formula we get this result:

Meteor Velocity = sqrt((2*6.673*10^-11*8.187E+26)/(74640.4*1000)) = 38.26 km/s

The meteor falling speed is absolutely high. People seem not to understand physics very well. They think that Shinsuusenju can push it back because of its arms, however based on the calculations on the meteor i done as well as its speed, this will make it impossible to push back due not only its weight is too heavy but meteor is falling from space. Therefore Shinsuusenju will get destroyed badly.

Meteor's Raw Power
Now to move on why the meteor has enough power to destroy the shinsuusenju. I will be using some real life pics as well as manga facts in conjunction. So now that i have calculated the mass/weight and its falling speed and i came up with unbelievable results, it should be safe to conclude the meteor can destroy the shinsuusenju. Take a look at this:
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This is a very accurate way to judge the raw power of the meteor. So when it falls, these happens:

-its earth quake fireball extends over 10km
-people die after 40km
-hurricane and earth quake spreads violently over 40km


Mother of god. To think the meteor has this much force. People will complain about its real life but this logic has applied to the manga as well. Take a look at this:
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[video=youtube;0LAttQ3yCjY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LAttQ3yCjY#t=238[/video]

As you can see, the meteor earth quake was enough to reach from Gaara's division location all the way to Komugakure. Doing the maths:
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Red line = 10px = at least 8137 km

red line + blue line = 145px = 117,986km for the distance between hq and the current battle. (and this is a low end to since the desert is actually farther than8,137km.


So the distance is 8137 + 137 = 8274km.

So the raw power of the meteor is the bold. So far, there is no jutsu introduced in the manga could match the power of the meteor. The fact that Kabuto called it the power of Rikudou Sennin is a true testament to the meteor's power.
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Now comparing some of the crater of Shinsuusenju and the meteor:
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But of course, because the meteor is bigger and faster than the Shinsuusenju, the crate it would leave is too massive to estimate.

So for those who are gonna say didn't read lol, i will make it simpler since none of you are going to read it.

-Meteor dwarfs the shinsuusenju
-Its falling speed makes it impossible for the statue to punch it back specially with its mass and speed.
-Meteor's raw power and destruction is so far the greatest in the manga making it the most destructible jutsu.


Please be respectful, give a thanks as well if you want and comment.

Thank You...Madara Rules:)

fail thread. if you apply science to narutoverse then you fail miserably.

for example. BM minato and BM naruto moves nearly at speed of light . so
velocity( v)= 300000000m/s and then kinetic energy= 1/2 m.v.v
so the force produced by BM minato and BM naruto >>>>>>> energy of entire universe.

and we all know its false. lol
 

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And that would take time for Onoki to make that weight light like you claim. Manga already showed that Onoki needed like 20 seconds and with Gaara's help.

The manga showed this? You can tell time with a panel? All I saw in the manga was onoki touching a rock then activating his jutsu causing a massive shift in the rock's velocity. How did you calculate it was 20 seconds off of this panel? I never learnt how to calculate time off of still pictures...

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The manga showed this? You can tell time with a panel? All I saw in the manga was onoki touching a rock then activating his jutsu causing a massive shift in the rock's velocity. How did you calculate it was 20 seconds off of this panel? I never learnt how to calculate time off of still pictures...

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Didn't you read my post? Onoki jutsu allows him to do it and because the amount of chakra he put with Gaara and plot's help, he stopped it but unfortunately the 2nd one finished him.

fail thread. if you apply science to narutoverse then you fail miserably.

for example. BM minato and BM naruto moves nearly at speed of light . so
velocity( v)= 300000000m/s and then kinetic energy= 1/2 m.v.v
so the force produced by BM minato and BM naruto >>>>>>> energy of entire universe.

and we all know its false. lol

Velocity means the speed in a certain direction. Are Minato and Naruto fast as light? no they're not. Can Minato and Naruto move across the world in seconds? no they cant therefore your example is garbage like your post.

I didn't include all science, but portion of it.
 

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Didn't you read my post? Onoki jutsu allows him to do it and because the amount of chakra he put with Gaara and plot's help, he stopped it but unfortunately the 2nd one finished him.



Velocity means the speed in a certain direction. Are Minato and Naruto fast as light? no they're not. Can Minato and Naruto move across the world in seconds? no they cant therefore your example is garbage like your post.

I didn't include all science, but portion of it.

Dude, your theory is wrong, if you wanna use real world math & science

Then Tsunade should be dead, therefore making all the rest of what you post


....invalid :|
 

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Dude, your theory is wrong, if you wanna use real world math & science

Then Tsunade should be dead, therefore making all the rest of what you post


....invalid :|

This is the best counter you came up with?:|

Well i would be wasting my time arguing with a f00l.
 

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This is the best counter you came up with?:|

Well i would be wasting my time arguing with a f00l.

Says the guy who converted pixels to human height and then negged repped me for disagreeing with his failed logic


Scrubs these days
 

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My logic = manga + maths + physics. No the destruction it left was this:
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It was the whole desert. It didn't do that much damage because there would be no Naruto.

It was just a part of the desert...

@bold My point exactly, you just destroyed your own thread.

It didn't do that much damage because Kishimoto decide it wouldn't. No real life logic involved. So why are you trying to back up your "theory" with real life logic Kishi doesn't give two rats ass about ?
 

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It was just a part of the desert...

@bold My point exactly, you just destroyed your own thread.

It didn't do that much damage because Kishimoto decide it wouldn't. No real life logic involved. So why are you trying to back up your "theory" with real life logic Kishi doesn't give two rats ass about ?

Annnnd boom goes the dynamite.
 
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