madara and hashirama vs the akatsuki members

[damon hunt]

akatsuki wins, Itachi hits hashirama with a paralysis genjutsu and Nagato yanks his soul out, Obito simply kamui's Madara into his Kamuiverse to starve, that's how I see it playing out

exactly it can go either way

 

[Retsu]

Together? Prime EMS Madara and Hashirama absolutely obliterate the Akatsuki. Prime EMS Madara has access to Kurama and Hashirama... well... SHINSENJUU. On top of that, most of the Akatsuki bar Deidara and Nagato (possibly Kisame) don't have the actual destructive capacity to thwart Mokuton spam from Senju Hashirama. Majority of the Akatsuki nigh upper echelons like Nagato and Obito, are demolished by continuous Bijuu Dama combined with Perfect Susano'o blades. Nagato and Itachi w/MS Obito would be a challenge, but further spam and Shinsenjuu end them.

Deidara and Nagato, kakuzu, and Itachi are more than enough to stop Mokuton spam, between Deidara's explosions, shinra tensei, and amaterasu, and large scale katon, I think wide scale mokuton attacks are a non factor in this fight. Amaterasu 1 shots the kyuubi, and any large wooden summons, Hashirama and Madara lose this one imho

 

[Transcendence]

According to wood riders, Hashirama beats akatsuki. He cant even beat Nagato or Obito let alone all of them. Senju wank at its bestLol.

Edo Madara loses to the Akatsuki on his own... I hope you know that.

 

[KidGamer65]

first off the six paths of pain were being pressured by sm naruto "after nuking all of konoha" and naruto had a better chance against them cuz deva paths was out of juice after nuking the whole dam town deva paths alone pushed naruto to 8 tails mode and if it wasnt for his fathers spirit he would have been done so they are not fodders

CST only affected Deva, it doesn't change the fact that SM Naruto legit beat every single body except for Deva.

Deva pushed Naruto, who wields 50% Kurama, to 8 tails and Hashirama handled EMS Madara and Full Kurama simultaneously. See the big difference there?

itachi isnt a fodder he is way above kabuto the only reason he didnt kill him straight away was cuz he needed him alive

Compared to Hashirama or Madara? Hell yes he is. lol, even if he wanted to kill him right away he couldn't have, and he was an edo there. Alive Itachi would obviously do worse than Edo Itachi.

obito you underestimating him and your doing the same to all the other members 1 on 1 they might be fodders agaisnt hashi and madara but all as a group not so much

Not really. Kakuzu, Sasori, Konan, Deidara and Kisame put into one group doesn't mean they stand a snowball's chance in hell of defeating either of them, cause they don't.

 

[damon hunt]

Sage Mode from Hashirama? What stops Hashirama from impaling him with Mokuton from anywhere? Hashirama's Sage Mode looks to be on another level given speed feats from him. His sensing should be of the same level. Though, MS Obito is by far the most threatening in this match-up given the potency of Kamui. However, the sheer firepower from Madara and Hashirama effectively annihilate everyone BAR MS Obito. I don't see how he can take both of them on, seeing as how he will rely on Kamui to dodge and he can potentially be caught in Jikai (Flower Tree World) once he decides to come back (the time limit for when the pollen dissipates is unknown).

i see and understand your view of point it can go either way but i am just saying all the other members of akatsuki wont be just sitting and waiting plus they wont be all destroyed by a single hit i believe 6 paths of pain and other members of akatsuki can provide the necessary destraction for obito and itachi to strike

 

[Bronze]

Edo Madara loses to the Akatsuki on his own... I hope you know that.

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You're the same guy from my debating thread. I don't debate with hypocritesU_U.

 

[damon hunt]

CST only affected Deva, it doesn't change the fact that SM Naruto legit beat every single body except for Deva.

Deva pushed Naruto, who wields 50% Kurama, to 8 tails and Hashirama handled EMS Madara and Full Kurama simultaneously. See the big difference there?


Compared to Hashirama or Madara? Hell yes he is. lol, even if he wanted to kill him right away he couldn't have, and he was an edo there. Alive Itachi would obviously do worse than Edo Itachi.



Not really. Kakuzu, Sasori, Konan, Deidara and Kisame put into one group doesn't mean they stand a snowball's chance in hell of defeating either of them, cause they don't.

yes but i admit he did beat them 1 on 1 but in this fight they wont just fight in turns in order to protect deva path tnhey will all be fighting as a unit just like vs the 6 tails jin fight and all of them would be 100% rested that right there is a big deference

itachi never compared him to hashi and madara alone he has no chance but he isnt alone now he has all the members of akatsuki on his side to back him up alone he might do bad with a groupe i dont think so

but this isnt only kakuzu sasori konana deidara and kisame add to them 6 paths of pain and itachi and obito and you got your self an op group that very well does stand a chance

 

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QUOTE=damon hunt;13703475]i see and understand your view of point it can go either way but i am just saying all the other members of akatsuki wont be just sitting and waiting plus they wont be all destroyed by a single hit i believe 6 paths of pain and other members of akatsuki can provide the necessary destraction for obito and itachi to strike[/QUOTE]

I see. I understand where you are coming from as well. The Akatsuki bar Obito and Nagato are very underrated on this site (Well... There's Zexion and his Kakuzu fap cave... but yea) and it seems preposterous that even a two man team could defeat the entire organization. But this isn't an ordinary two man team. They're basically the Gods of Narutoverse (shown at least). Nobody really compares bar Juubito and Rikudou. Only EOS Naruto and EOS Sasuke shall surpass, but we're not there yet.

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You're the same guy from my debating thread. I don't debate with hypocritesU_U.

Whatever you say. I wasn't lying seeing as how there was 8 other people who said you got stomped in that debate. Drown in your delusions.

 

[damon hunt]

Deidara and Nagato, kakuzu, and Itachi are more than enough to stop Mokuton spam, between Deidara's explosions, shinra tensei, and amaterasu, and large scale katon, I think wide scale mokuton attacks are a non factor in this fight. Amaterasu 1 shots the kyuubi, and any large wooden summons, Hashirama and Madara lose this one imho

very true bro thats what i am trying to point out team work can beat brute force anyday of the week hashi and madara would get overwhelmed

 

[KidGamer65]

yes but i admit he did beat them 1 on 1 but in this fight they wont just fight in turns in order to protect deva path tnhey will all be fighting as a unit just like vs the 6 tails jin fight and all of them would be 100% rested that right there is a big deference

Dead bodies being rested has no effect on their performance, they are dead. Them fighting as a unit didn't change the fact SM Naruto still beat them. There is no major difference. Pain simply isn't as strong as you think.

itachi never compared him to hashi and madara alone he has no chance but he isnt alone now he has all the members of akatsuki on his side to back him up alone he might do bad with a groupe i dont think so

I said all of them individually are tiers below these two so putting them on the same team doesn't mean they can win.

but this isnt only kakuzu sasori konana deidara and kisame add to them 6 paths of pain and itachi and obito and you got your self an op group that very well does stand a chance

You keep on going on about how since this is a group, they win, but you are clearly forgetting that none of them have moves to even scratch these two bar 3 people.

 

[Bronze]

QUOTE=damon hunt;13703475]i see and understand your view of point it can go either way but i am just saying all the other members of akatsuki wont be just sitting and waiting plus they wont be all destroyed by a single hit i believe 6 paths of pain and other members of akatsuki can provide the necessary destraction for obito and itachi to strike

I see. I understand where you are coming from as well. The Akatsuki bar Obito and Nagato are very underrated on this site (Well... There's Zexion and his Kakuzu fap cave... but yea) and it seems preposterous that even a two man team could defeat the entire organization. But this isn't an ordinary two man team. They're basically the Gods of Narutoverse (shown at least). Nobody really compares bar Juubito and Rikudou. Only EOS Naruto and EOS Sasuke shall surpass, but we're not there yet.


Whatever you say. I wasn't lying seeing as how there was 8 other people who said you got stomped in that debate. Drown in your delusions.[/QUOTE]

Too bad the judges all said i won. Check the debate yourself. Judges opinion is what matters, not some retarded idiots.

 

[Retsu]

The key to this battle would be separating both of them, but if Madara gets separated from Hashirama, Hashirama has no counter to Deidara's C4 nano bombs, and any offensive katon jutsu's Madara uses can be countered with GSM from kisame. I honestly see no way for akatsuki to lose, they counter almost anything Hashi and Madara can throw at them with ease.

 

[damon hunt]

QUOTE=damon hunt;13703475]i see and understand your view of point it can go either way but i am just saying all the other members of akatsuki wont be just sitting and waiting plus they wont be all destroyed by a single hit i believe 6 paths of pain and other members of akatsuki can provide the necessary destraction for obito and itachi to strike

I see. I understand where you are coming from as well. The Akatsuki bar Obito and Nagato are very underrated on this site (Well... There's Zexion and his Kakuzu fap cave... but yea) and it seems preposterous that even a two man team could defeat the entire organization. But this isn't an ordinary two man team. They're basically the Gods of Narutoverse (shown at least). Nobody really compares bar Juubito and Rikudou. Only EOS Naruto and EOS Sasuke shall surpass, but we're not there yet.[/QUOTE]

i know bro in terms of brute force madara and hashi win but team work i believe beats brute force and i know they are considered gods but remember they can still die like humans and agasint a team of 12+ members that are op in there own way who to say that while madara or hashi is to busy with 6 paths or the other members obito using kamui sneaks up from behinds and kills you see what am getting at bro 12+ op characters might just be to much for these two guys no matter how strong they are they still only have 2 legs 2 hands and 2 eyes only

 

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I see. I understand where you are coming from as well. The Akatsuki bar Obito and Nagato are very underrated on this site (Well... There's Zexion and his Kakuzu fap cave... but yea) and it seems preposterous that even a two man team could defeat the entire organization. But this isn't an ordinary two man team. They're basically the Gods of Narutoverse (shown at least). Nobody really compares bar Juubito and Rikudou. Only EOS Naruto and EOS Sasuke shall surpass, but we're not there yet.


Whatever you say. I wasn't lying seeing as how there was 8 other people who said you got stomped in that debate. Drown in your delusions.

Too bad the judges all said i won. Check the debate yourself. Judges opinion is what matters, not some retarded idiots.[/QUOTE]

Mhm. Hit me with some more ad hominem's man. I'm loving them. And for your fallacies, you seem to be contradicting yourself seeing as how you call me a liar when all your "judges" was only 1 singular person that I personally know to have a bias for Madara and have spoken eloquently to about Hashirama and particular match-ups.

Also, your neg rep does nothing, but serve as another hypocritical point against you when you complain about being neg repped, when you do it ever so consistently.

 

[damon hunt]

Dead bodies being rested has no effect on their performance, they are dead. Them fighting as a unit didn't change the fact SM Naruto still beat them. There is no major difference. Pain simply isn't as strong as you think.


I said all of them individually are tiers below these two so putting them on the same team doesn't mean they can win.



You keep on going on about how since this is a group, they win, but you are clearly forgetting that none of them have moves to even scratch these two bar 3 people.

bro if not bieng rested didnt have an effect on them then how come deva path couldnt do jack shit after he nuked all konoha he had to wait for a certain time limit+ the dead bodies are using a persons chakra and your telling me that nuking a hole town didnt waste any of nagato's chakra pain simply isnt as weak as you think

and your saying like 1 rock wont hurt you cuz its to small there for 100 rocks of the same size thrown at you wouldnt hurt ? god gave you a brain use it

and one slash of the sealing blade from itachi cant end them so yes they can put a scratch on them no matter how op they are it took 1 slash of a regular sword for hashi to nearly kill madara so all it takes is for madara or hashi to get distracted obito sneaking up from behind and goodnight that will be all i said it befor and ill say it again team work stomps brute force anyday

 

[damon hunt]

Akatsuki is too much for almost any combination,

for example,
Hashirama has nothing that counter Amaterasu- even his statue, nothing stops Totsuka no Tsurugi, yata Mirror tanks anything.
Nagato pretty much man-handle Hashirama with just Gedo Mazou or the Soul Dragon all by himself, remember- he soloed Konoha and fought numerous opponents including Naruto in once and mastered the Rinnegan.

And that are just two man,
give them MS Obito and it's GG.

The rest of Akatsuki can sit and support them if it's needed. U_U

i agree bro :yeah: either way whoever wins it would be high diff

 

[Bronze]

Too bad the judges all said i won. Check the debate yourself. Judges opinion is what matters, not some retarded idiots.

Mhm. Hit me with some more ad hominem's man. I'm loving them. And for your fallacies, you seem to be contradicting yourself seeing as how you call me a liar when all your "judges" was only 1 singular person that I personally know to have a bias for Madara and have spoken eloquently to about Hashirama and particular match-ups.

Also, your neg rep does nothing, but serve as another hypocritical point against you when you complain about being neg repped, when you do it ever so consistently.[/QUOTE]

Judge i chose is at least better than your 8 idiots people you keep relying on. Like i said you decided to lie about what happened in the debate. I will reply when you have something that's true and not a lie. Phuck off now.

 

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Mhm. Hit me with some more ad hominem's man. I'm loving them. And for your fallacies, you seem to be contradicting yourself seeing as how you call me a liar when all your "judges" was only 1 singular person that I personally know to have a bias for Madara and have spoken eloquently to about Hashirama and particular match-ups.

Also, your neg rep does nothing, but serve as another hypocritical point against you when you complain about being neg repped, when you do it ever so consistently.

Judge i chose is at least better than your 8 idiots people you keep relying on. Like i said you decided to lie about what happened in the debate. I will reply when you have something that's true and not a lie. Phuck off now.[/QUOTE]

I didn't lie about anything. You just cling to that because you have no rebuttal that has any substance. But alas... drown in your delusions. I guess it's better than facing reality.

 

[KidGamer65]

bro if not bieng rested didnt have an effect on them then how come deva path couldnt do jack shit after he nuked all konoha he had to wait for a certain time limit+ the dead bodies are using a persons chakra and your telling me that nuking a hole town didnt waste any of nagato's chakra pain simply isnt as weak as you think

If Six Paths of Pain couldn't defeat SM Naruto, who transformed into Kurama (up to 8 tails) , and then reverted back to Sage Mode. They aren't beating someone who can tank every move they use, smash through their defenses with ease, and someone who defeated Madara and Full Kurama.

and your saying like 1 rock wont hurt you cuz its to small there for 100 rocks of the same size thrown at you wouldnt hurt ? god gave you a brain use it

Why don't you use your brain and not bother with the shitty analogies.

-Will a brick wall fall if you keep throwing small rocks at it? Obviously not. This match follows the same principle.

and one slash of the sealing blade from itachi cant end them so yes they can put a scratch on them no matter how op they are it took 1 slash of a regular sword for hashi to nearly kill madara so all it takes is for madara or hashi to get distracted obito sneaking up from behind and goodnight that will be all i said it befor and ill say it again team work stomps brute force anyday

Totsuka wank? Not only does it have to pierce you to seal you, it has to actually get through their defenses first. Call me when it can pierce guys with defenses strong enough to tank Bijuu Dama with no damage.

Hashirama has clones for a reason, he has Sage Sensing for a reason. There is no distraction here nor will anyone be taken by surprise.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Sigh...


I really can't comprehend how this thread began with a Madara + Hashirama vs Akatsuki to Madara vs Hashirama with the Akatsuki out the equation.

Must I really?

Lets break this down so it isn't Madara + Hashirama.

Madara only against Obito:

Madara has the ability within him to control him; Obito can't attempt to block Madara as there isn't a bijuu nearby he can fuse with.

The rest:

If the main man Obito is under Madara's command, then they're rest are dust.

"Ohhhh Chibaku Tensei GG", for those who will post that, then you're completely and utterly stupid. I'm not even going to lower myself to you to even explain as to how that can be easily countered.

Hashirama vs Obito:

According to the manga, Hashirama cannot defeat MS Obito. Hashirama lacks reflexes such as Minato's, and every single attack from Hashirama is almost negated by Obito turning himself Intangible. The only chance Hashirama has by creating that forest that puts victims to sleep; even then he could hold his breathe (if he isn't panting or exhausted - which is extremely unlikely as he was able to control 7 bijuus, gedo and use MS without even breaking a sweat).

The rest:

If Hashirama can barely handle Obito, then adding the likes of Nagato and Itachi to this is just an overkill; thus why it was Madara + Hashirama to begin with, Madara being his back up and vice versa.