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[Gyakusetsu]

A couple. Why then didn't Minato know who Tobi was?

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And assuming Naruto crossed fists with all his friends, does K11 outrank Minato and Obito?

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[2big]

You know i made a thread about this once. kinda anyway i just said after the pain arc that naruto was gonna get a real jutsu to change people minds. actually this is the link

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its is actually reall close to whats happening now lmao

 

[Mr Hiru]

How Naruto teleports people into their own subconsciousness so that they can be manipulated? I think we're all taking this concept of "Talk-no-jutsu" lightly. How the hell can Naruto enter someone's mind and then transform the space around them in order to change their minds? It seems as though Naruto can already use a lite-version of the Eye of the Moon plan without any Sharingan/Rinnegan!

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^Madara explaining the Eye of the Moon plan. Here we see the empty space Obito is in and how Madara changes the space around. Isn't this the same thing? However, Madara actually has dojutsu to back it up.

Seriously, this chapter he transforms into Obito and changes the space around the two into the training grounds. How can he do this?? Will this ever be explained?

1 + 1 + 1 = 3.

a) Remember that when two shinobi with high skill level are fighting they can read the other mind/heart.

b) Remember that any shinobi who can use the Kyuubi Cloak can see through intentions.

c) Every shinobi in the alliance is using directly or indirectly the Kyuubi cloak.

Explaining this would be redundant.

 

[Mille Ignis]

A couple. Why then didn't Minato know who Tobi was?

And assuming Naruto crossed fists with all his friends, does K11 outrank Minato and Obito?

1.) Plot.
2.) Why would you assume that? Naruto can give charka to people by bumping fists, but that doesn't mean they can outrank hokage tier shinobi.

 

[FearxDeath]

THere are 2 things you may be talking about, the scan where they say "He is calling us" or recently when Naruto was talking to Obito, in both cases it is easy to understand:

1) They were surrounded with Naruto's Chakra and were thus in contact with him.

2) This was established back in the Sasuke Retreival arc when it was said that "When 2 Shinobi clash with each other there is a moment when they can read each others mind." This is shown when Naruto and Sasuke clash with their Rasengan and Chidori.

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This same instance was recreated when Naruto attempted to pull the tailed beasts out of Obito, allowing them to connect to each other and understand each others intent.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

1.) Plot.
2.) Why would you assume that? Naruto can give charka to people by bumping fists, but that doesn't mean they can outrank hokage tier shinobi.

I suppose plot would apply to Hashirama and Madara as well then? In fact we would have to apply that to Itachi, Pain, etc, etc, if that is the case. This is an ability that Naruto has and we cannot dismiss it as something every high ranking Ninja can do. If it were they would understand one another's hearts which, according to the story, the inability to do this is a major driver of all of the conflict, no?

 

[Edge]

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Anymore questions?

Is this meant to be an answer?

Doesn't explain anything, reading minds isn't the same thing as appearing within a subconsciousness and fooling around.

 

[Edge]

1 + 1 + 1 = 3.

a) Remember that when two shinobi with high skill level are fighting they can read the other mind/heart.

b) Remember that any shinobi who can use the Kyuubi Cloak can see through intentions.

c) Every shinobi in the alliance is using directly or indirectly the Kyuubi cloak.

Explaining this would be redundant.

Not really.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Is this meant to be an answer?

Doesn't explain anything, reading minds isn't the same thing as appearing within a subconsciousness and fooling around.

I have the feeling that it is the case my friend. The fact that Naruto is Jinchuuriki just made the job easier, but it seems like the same thing. It's not like Naruto appears within a subconsciousness physically... Naruto was doing Tug-o-war all the time, that was just a metaphoric scene, just like when Sasuke and Naruto talked in the bridge.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Not really.

I think yes. At least I think it is a logical explanation.

Now, if you don't have any logical explanation, why do you even bother posting? Just to tell this is an asspull? Because if that's the case, you should stop reading this manga. If not, enlighten us please.

 

[Edge]

I think yes. At least I think it is a logical explanation.

Now, if you don't have any logical explanation, why do you even bother posting? Just to tell this is an asspull? Because if that's the case, you should stop reading this manga. If not, enlighten us please.

Lol. The reason I'm posting is BECAUSE there hasn't been a logical explanation yet. #narutoscholars

 

[Mr Hiru]

Lol. The reason I'm posting is BECAUSE there hasn't been a logical explanation yet. #narutoscholars

Every twist in this manga has previous hints, signs, or any kind of foreshadowing.

It seems you swear Naruto teleported people to another different physical dimension, when what is happening is the same thing that happened between Naruto and Sasuke on the bridge fight... you were wrong from the start.

You should drink a coffee and calm your tits before answering again, pops. If you can't interpret the manga correctly, you can hardly understand the logic behind it.

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Reminesence:

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KCM Emotion sensing ability:

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Now everyone in the alliance... though Ino's jutsu, and their own KC

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...everyone is connected, in body, and in mind, and everyone is high skilled shinobi (they survived until this point). Those who doesn't wear KC are grabbing Minato's chakra. That's all you need to know.

 

[Edge]

Every twist in this manga has previous hints, signs, or any kind of foreshadowing.

It seems you swear Naruto teleported people to another different physical dimension, when what is happening is the same thing that happened between Naruto and Sasuke on the bridge fight... you were wrong from the start.

You should drink a coffee and calm your tits before answering again, pops. If you can't interpret the manga correctly, you can hardly understand the logic behind it.

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Part 1:

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Reminesence:

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KCM Emotion sensing ability:

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Now everyone in the alliance... though Ino's jutsu, and their own KC

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...everyone is connected, in body, and in mind, and everyone is high skilled shinobi (they survived until this point). Those who doesn't wear KC are grabbing Minato's chakra. That's all you need to know.

Thanks for your response! Made everything clear as day.

 

[Mille Ignis]

I suppose plot would apply to Hashirama and Madara as well then? In fact we would have to apply that to Itachi, Pain, etc, etc, if that is the case. This is an ability that Naruto has and we cannot dismiss it as something every high ranking Ninja can do. If it were they would understand one another's hearts which, according to the story, the inability to do this is a major driver of all of the conflict, no?

Plot is what adds suspense to the storyline. If Minato knew that Tobi wasn't Madara from the very beginning then there would have been no need for the mask, thus no suspense for finding out who was behind the mask. Moreover, Naruto is on a whole different level than everyone else. It was even stated that he would surpass Hashirama (if not already), who was consider a legend. I will not refute the fact that Itachi and Pain are high level shinobi; however, the manga does not say every high level shinobi can read each others hearts. When the manga says, "it is said," one must imply that it is myth/legend unless stated otherwise. Finally, if you can provide a scan where their fists meet then please do.

There is absolutely no reason as to why Minato, Itachi, Pain, and possibly Kakashi did not know that Tobi was Obito. The only reason, that I can determine, is to add suspense and progress the storyline. Yes there maybe plot holes is stating this; however, saying that this ability only belongs to Naruto is false.

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Plot would also apply to Hashirama and Madara as well. For if Hasirama knew Madara's true feelings then precautions would have been implemented by the Second, after Hashirama's death, if he still died.