Villains that weren't swayed by words

[raziel777]

Credits should be given to those guys, unlike "others", they stayed true to what they believed in, until the very end.

Kakuzu

Hidan

Deidara

and the one with the truest ending,

Kisame.

 

[Flawž]

Shonen manga's...Shonen manga's....

 

[HNIC]

how did you not name the #1 villain. ORochimaru

 

[Sharingankingitachi]

Oro
Madara

 

[kotoamatsukami]

how did you not name the #1 villain. ORochimaru

Cuz he is no longer even a villain anymore

 

[HiddenSound]

Danzō ("villain" is too naive of a term for him, but he was an antagonist at least)
The Sound 5, especially Kimimaro
... Gato?

 

[KingHashirama]

o-o none of the villains were changed by words...

 

[Young Vongola]

They were the only real evil people. Except for Kisame. He wanted a world with no lies, he wasn't really "evil", just working for that cause with who he thought was Madara.

 

[raziel777]

o-o none of the villains were changed by words...

Nagato, Obito, Konan, Sasori

 

[raziel777]

Danzō ("villain" is too naive of a term for him, but he was an antagonist at least)
The Sound 5, especially Kimimaro
... Gato?

I agree about that Danzo, he just had different ways of doing things

Gato, he's not worthy of a mention. That dude's a loser.

how did you not name the #1 villain. ORochimaru

I probably should have said that I meant the Akatsuki villains. If not, the list would have been to big (Hanzo would have been there, Madara too for now at least )

They were the only real evil people. Except for Kisame. He wanted a world with no lies, he wasn't really "evil", just working for that cause with who he thought was Madara.

I really like Kisame as character, too bad he was fighting for a lie. That's kinda ironic. And sad

 

[Aya San]

Kakuzu and Kisame are awesome, though Kisame is a bit softer

 

[GhostProject]

Haku. Followed his ninja way through the end

 

[-Punk-]

Deidara , Kakzu , Zetsu , hidan , kisame <--- Respect .

Nagato , Konan & Gara changed but still fought & are fighting for what they belief , so that's good .

Zabuza & Sasori changing hearts was dumb .

Oro , Madara & Obito : We still don't know how they will end .

 

[KingHashirama]

Nagato, Obito, Konan, Sasori

Sasori- Grandma.. no words there.. he met his god damn grandma that loved him..

Konan - Was never a villain.

Nagato - He was changed by actions taken by Hanzo and Danzo .. and he changed back to his ORIGINAL self by seeing Naruto was going to leave him alone. Not by talking.

Obito - Changed by actions of the mist ninja (killing Rin) and gave into Madara's words.. and has not been changed since then.


You think Deidara and etc were born bad? rofl.

 

[raziel777]

Sasori- Grandma.. no words there.. he met his god damn grandma that loved him..

Konan - Was never a villain.

Nagato - He was changed by actions taken by Hanzo and Danzo .. and he changed back to his ORIGINAL self by seeing Naruto was going to leave him alone. Not by talking.

Obito - Changed by actions of the mist ninja (killing Rin) and gave into Madara's words.. and has not been changed since then.


You think Deidara and etc were born bad? rofl.

Sasori : still doesn't change anything to the fact that he changed

Konan : she fought for the villains, was ready to kill lots of people, in fact probably killed lots of people. Attacked her former teacher. Need I say more ?

Nagato : it was talking, he asked Naruto for an answer; which Naruto gave him. He was satisfied with it and he changed.

Obito : wut. Last chapter never happened in your world right ?

I never said they were born evil... But while we are at it, do you have definite evidence that it wasn't the case ? NO. Actori incumbit probatio. Your question, your evidence. Before asking questions, you should have evidence to support your stand.


All in all, I just meant that at the time of their death those VILLAINS didn't toss their beliefs.

 

[Xāvî1]

Credits should be given to those guys, unlike "others", they stayed true to what they believed in, until the very end.

Kakuzu

Hidan

Deidara

and the one with the truest ending,

Kisame.

Cause Naruto never even tried to use tnj on them

 

[KingHashirama]

Sasori : still doesn't change anything to the fact that he changed

Konan : she fought for the villains, was ready to kill lots of people, in fact probably killed lots of people. Attacked her former teacher. Need I say more ?

Nagato : it was talking, he asked Naruto for an answer; which Naruto gave him. He was satisfied with it and he changed.

Obito : wut. Last chapter never happened in your world right ?

I never said they were born evil... But while we are at it, do you have definite evidence that it wasn't the case ? NO. Actori incumbit probatio. Your question, your evidence. Before asking questions, you should have evidence to support your stand.


All in all, I just meant that at the time of their death those VILLAINS didn't toss their beliefs.

Sasori- point is wasn't changed by words =]

Konan - specifically stated she was only going with the akatsuki due to Nagato. Period. And Jiraiya and others didn't kill anyone? rofl.

Nagato: reread again. It was Naruto's action of not doing anything to Nagato that changed Nagato, and made him realize his ORIGINAL WAY.

Obito: So in other words you never read the last chapter, where Obito still didn't change sides..

Actually I do have evidence:

Kakuzu - turned bad because of his ashame in failing to kill the first hokage.

Konan - simply was following Nagato, to make sure she didn't lose another loved one. (stated by her).

Sasori - was a good boy at start.

Orochimaru - turned bad after his parent's death

Deidara - was a good boy at first.

Kisame - simply acted as a "shinobi tool". Calling him a villain is the same as calling Haku a villain.

Hidan was the only guy who was into bloodshedding and etc out of the akatsuki by nature.. others were initially good.

See the problem here is people Nagato didn't toss their beliefs. They tossed their beliefs when they became "villains". You also wouldn't need me to provide evidence if you knew about the characters themselves.

 

[raziel777]

Sasori- point is wasn't changed by words =]

Konan - specifically stated she was only going with the akatsuki due to Nagato. Period. And Jiraiya and others didn't kill anyone? rofl.

Nagato: reread again. It was Naruto's action of not doing anything to Nagato that changed Nagato, and made him realize his ORIGINAL WAY.

Obito: So in other words you never read the last chapter, where Obito still didn't change sides..

Actually I do have evidence:

Kakuzu - turned bad because of his ashame in failing to kill the first hokage.

Konan - simply was following Nagato, to make sure she didn't lose another loved one. (stated by her).

Sasori - was a good boy at start.

Orochimaru - turned bad after his parent's death

Deidara - was a good boy at first.

Kisame - simply acted as a "shinobi tool". Calling him a villain is the same as calling Haku a villain.

Hidan was the only guy who was into bloodshedding and etc out of the akatsuki by nature.. others were initially good.

See the problem here is people Nagato didn't toss their beliefs. They tossed their beliefs when they became "villains". You also wouldn't need me to provide evidence if you knew about the characters themselves.

Konan: Actions speak louder than words. She chose their side, she's gotta live with the label. Suppose I joined some extremist group, particiapted in their violent missions, what does that make me ? Even if I only joined because my bro was there too.
Jiraiya and the others never killed anyone for no good reason. Did Jiraiya attacked a village and destroyed it with his partner ? No. Konan did.

Nagato: He was changed by Naruto's words. He asked Naruto what would be his answer to world peace and shit. Naruto said he would forgive him (or something like that) that he wouldn't continue the cycle of pain and hatred, that he would stop it by not avenging Jiraiya. Re read it.

Obito: He changed, Naruto's words reached him. You can't deny that fact. We all saw it


What you are saying makes no sense whatsoever. Going by your logic, we are all good people. Because no one came into this world being evil.
We are what we decide, the moment those guys chose to take that path, they became evil. Period. No matter how innocent or sweet a boy they were.

Haku was a child, a traumatized child. He fought for the one person he admired. That's something entirely different. Kisame is guy that proposed to cut off Naruto's feet so he couldn't walk. There is no comparison here.


Btw, the Kakuzu bit is pure BS. How do you know Kakuzu wasn't evil at that point ? He got evil because Hashi defeated him ? wut. Please, don't make up your evidence.

 

[warlee]

They didn't change because they are not allowed a deep dialogue with naruto. And it's not words alone that sway this people naruto's actions is the major thing even kurama agrees.

 

[KingHashirama]

Konan: Actions speak louder than words. She chose their side, she's gotta live with the label. Suppose I joined some extremist group, particiapted in their violent missions, what does that make me ? Even if I only joined because my bro was there too.
Jiraiya and the others never killed anyone for no good reason. Did Jiraiya attacked a village and destroyed it with his partner ? No. Konan did.

Nagato: He was changed by Naruto's words. He asked Naruto what would be his answer to world peace and shit. Naruto said he would forgive him (or something like that) that he wouldn't continue the cycle of pain and hatred, that he would stop it by not avenging Jiraiya. Re read it.

Obito: He changed, Naruto's words reached him. You can't deny that fact. We all saw it


What you are saying makes no sense whatsoever. Going by your logic, we are all good people. Because no one came into this world being evil.
We are what we decide, the moment those guys chose to take that path, they became evil. Period. No matter how innocent or sweet a boy they were.

Haku was a child, a traumatized child. He fought for the one person he admired. That's something entirely different. Kisame is guy that proposed to cut off Naruto's feet so he couldn't walk. There is no comparison here.


Btw, the Kakuzu bit is pure BS. How do you know Kakuzu wasn't evil at that point ? He got evil because Hashi defeated him ? wut. Please, don't make up your evidence.

Konan- Actions in Naruto are justified differently than we do in real life. No she chose Nagato's side, not the Akatsuki, big difference. She was merely like Haku. Konan didn't kill anyone for no good reason. And sadly no you are not getting it. Konan only defended Nagato.. she didn't go work for Obito and take orders like the others did. No sadly, Konan was one of the original finders of that group. =]


Nagato - You just said actions speak louder than words.. words means that if Naruto said that he still would've attacked Nagato.. but no. The thing is ACTIONS , action is a combination going with what you say. Mere words have no meaning, unless they are backed by actions. Naruto was saying the samething before, he gave him a bigger lecture before... but did Nagato change? no. It was Naruto's actions that changed Nagato into thinking back to his and Yahiko's original dream.

Obito - He still hasn't changed.. wtf are you on about? lmao



Highly false, Orochimaru/Madara/Obito /Kakuzu and etc are evil.. I never said they weren't..I said they weren't initially evil.

No Kisame is a loyal guy, he basically acted as a shinobi.. he died like a shinobi. Even in the alliance.. you think those shinobi are all innocent? no.. but they are united. Also, it is about time you realize Kisame was raised to be a ninja like that.. just like Haku was raised to be Zabuza's tool.


Because he acted on the orders of what his people told him. lmao. Why are you arguing this just to argue against it?


My point on this thread isn't to disagree or hate on your thread. It is simply to tell people that others did not change simply due to words.