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This is completely false, never was Sasuke able to surpass Deidara in terms of speed, he merely surprised him as you said, Speed=/= Reactions.... This simply proves that Deidara did not have the best reaction's, Which if you ask me is something that would be under the Taijutsu category which he has a meager 3.5, Honestly people act like Kishi made random numbers as the scores, when in reality they are supposed to hint at things not shown in the Manga, and should in fact be taken seriously...Unless feats prove otherwise.
Really? The fact that they were bit expecting it doesn't change the fact he was able to traverse that amount of distance that quickly, Actually Sasuke really hasn't blitzed that many opponents fairly either, First of all Deidara was able to react comfortably here
You may use the feats from his encounter with a pathetic Team 7 if you'd like U_U However the fact is when facing real opponents who are not pathetically just trying to talk to Sasuke. Hebi-Sasuke has yet too show any actual blitzes and his speed is hyped incredibly for no reason. Also don't know why you used some EMS feats....clearly he trained after Itachi's death.
All Deidara did to avoid Gaara's sand ...Is jump, which is exactly what he did to avoid Sasuke's Blitz as well. Your mentioning Deidara way too much in this debate....Its about Sasuke, all these things about the Artist are un-necessary
Ahh but there sort of is a way to conclude that it indeed did not take long at all, Realize that flashbacks are merely thoughts a characters has of the past, try to think of something that happened in your past, and remember it...It doesn't take that long...So even if the flash-back is more than a few pages it still shouldn't be considered all that long. If thats not enough as we know Naruto was in a fit of rage and even had his 9-Tails cloak, which turns him beastly You really think that if the flash-back did take a long time he would just sit there?
What? I have no clue what you are implying here, in now way does it look as if the Kyuubi's hands went underground you can see them merely resting on the ground. As for yet another of your SFX arguments, taking into account the sounds you here and then reacting on them is an attribute to reaction feats, and if you are honestly going to use that as an argument Sasuke makes *fast movement* SFX's Everytime he blitzes
Again with Deidara, as i said Sasuke really didn't show that many blitzes against him, and he never even succeded in blitzing him, nor does Reactions=Speed...So all in all this last statement you made is wrong.
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What blasphemy is this? This is not Hebi-Sasuke? as i said he clearly trained after Itachi's Death in order for him to take on the leaf :| Why, its like using Shinobi War feats for Naruto when debating with Early Part 2 Naruto. I'm just going to ignore this whole part....
So i suppose he can use the jutsu, although that is no where near the quantity of Oro's snakes. You act as if Sasuke actually does teleport ._. He doesn't simply appear and disappear it only looks like that because of how fast he's moving, if the opponent is focused enough and fast enough they are still able to see the movements of Sasuke. So if fast enough Oro can indeed use the jutsu in time. Also you say that it won't impede his blitzes but then go on too say that he could use Chidori Stream to counter it or predicts its movements and avoid it, both of witch would require him to halt the blitz. Allowing Oro to go on the offensive Honestly Sasuke blitzing oro is a very unlikely factor as the DB states Oro has the same speed as Sasuke, and honestly even if he does he's not doing anything which i shall adress later.
So he's going to make a snake envelop him...to defend from the sword that pierces almost everything? ._. it would tear through the snake and proceed to end Sasuke as well. Again with the use of Post Hebi feats ...U_U just going to ignore that. Also Chidori Nagashi is not an attack that pushes back it merely destroyed the wood, it was proven that it could not push things back here
Why would this destroy one of the legendary swords? Its said to pierce everything doubt Lightning+Sword is going to cut it, but whatever i suppose the tongue is useless here
Again with defending from Kusanagi with a wing ._. No it kills him if he does that. Also why do you assume Sasuke can just slice through this sword as if it were a plain steel weapon? Its on of the spirit weapons its known to pierce through anything, obviously its durability is going to be loads above a normal weapon,Even tanking diamond which would crush a normal sword
If he were to slice off the head..honestly i don't see why this wouldn't happen there
Sasuke really has no way to put him down in CQC, Oro's speed and agility when in snake mode could overwhelm Sasuke honestly U_U
No the genjutsu would not carry with the new body, as the genjutsu chakra would remain in the old bodies brain, while the new one is made from cells that are totally genjutsu free. As for your other points..Really? Your going to use this, i mean Oro has a 5 in genjutsu in the DB so he should be able to realize and dispel it, other than that all i can say is that even if this is used Sasuke would have to remain out of sight until after the genjutsu is over, notice how he decided to attack Deidara from behind
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Obviously it can't pierce everything which is why i've been stating its been SAID to pierce everything, but the fact that the DB said that means that it clearly has extraordinary piercing capabilities. And so your saying they are going to swallow the snakes? So the snakes are now free to impale and poison the large summons as they are now inside surrounded by soft tissue and as we all know you remain alive for some time when being swallowed by the snake. You basically just made my argument for me? Also Snakes have scales...which means that there is a wedge between the scale and the flesh underneath it, given the giant size of the Summons and the small size of the snakes, i don't see why they couldn't infiltrate the wedge with their swords and poison them that way.
Oro would rip through them with Kusunagi if they did that ....Or summon Rashoman in their stomach's
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Again with using someone's opinion who has no clue besides their own assumptions? No Madara and Obito's Katon still had a vertical height that dwarfed the Juubi
He flapped his wings and was able to get a boosted jump of the ground...That's my assumption, what makes his any better then mine, we both saw the same thing :| Stop ..Using what other people say.
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Eh fine you got me, however this isn't really important at all, so i don't need to state anything else
Armless Oro at his prime would be right after he switched bodies obviously so no he can use it more than three times.
Oh really now ....So 1000 fodders which we have no clue what happened>10000 poisonous snakes with swords, that are so much more condensed? No...not in a long shot.
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This is completely false, never was Sasuke able to surpass Deidara in terms of speed, he merely surprised him as you said, Speed=/= Reactions.... This simply proves that Deidara did not have the best reaction's, Which if you ask me is something that would be under the Taijutsu category which he has a meager 3.5, Honestly people act like Kishi made random numbers as the scores, when in reality they are supposed to hint at things not shown in the Manga, and should in fact be taken seriously...Unless feats prove otherwise.
Really? The fact that they were bit expecting it doesn't change the fact he was able to traverse that amount of distance that quickly, Actually Sasuke really hasn't blitzed that many opponents fairly either, First of all Deidara was able to react comfortably here
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During a supposed "Sasuke Blitz" Don't bring up Tobi because we all know he had no reason to avoid it. Then the one time he did get the upper-hand on Deidara it was solely due to the fact that Tobi had distracted Deidara
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He clearly looked over at Tobi. Even if he was the one who told Deidara to look out, That would not of been needed had he not distracted Deidara in the first place. Not only does he really not have any Legitimate blitzes in the Deidara fight, but neither does he against Itachi
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A half-dead Itachi was able to keep up with him quite easily...
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You may use the feats from his encounter with a pathetic Team 7 if you'd like U_U However the fact is when facing real opponents who are not pathetically just trying to talk to Sasuke. Hebi-Sasuke has yet too show any actual blitzes and his speed is hyped incredibly for no reason. Also don't know why you used some EMS feats....clearly he trained after Itachi's death.
All Deidara did to avoid Gaara's sand ...Is jump, which is exactly what he did to avoid Sasuke's Blitz as well. Your mentioning Deidara way too much in this debate....Its about Sasuke, all these things about the Artist are un-necessary
Ahh but there sort of is a way to conclude that it indeed did not take long at all, Realize that flashbacks are merely thoughts a characters has of the past, try to think of something that happened in your past, and remember it...It doesn't take that long...So even if the flash-back is more than a few pages it still shouldn't be considered all that long. If thats not enough as we know Naruto was in a fit of rage and even had his 9-Tails cloak, which turns him beastly You really think that if the flash-back did take a long time he would just sit there?
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No if Oro took that long he most certainly would of entered the forest, however Oro came back before the beast of Naruto could even do anything. What? I have no clue what you are implying here, in now way does it look as if the Kyuubi's hands went underground you can see them merely resting on the ground. As for yet another of your SFX arguments, taking into account the sounds you here and then reacting on them is an attribute to reaction feats, and if you are honestly going to use that as an argument Sasuke makes *fast movement* SFX's Everytime he blitzes
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So Oro could even use that to help him react. And you can see how fast he's moving to avoid the hands thereafter as well, even creating enough space for him to use a jutsu.Again with Deidara, as i said Sasuke really didn't show that many blitzes against him, and he never even succeded in blitzing him, nor does Reactions=Speed...So all in all this last statement you made is wrong.
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Now I'll be merely adding more examples of Sasuke's Shunshin that I forgot to add. In addition to the previous Shunshin feats I've shown, Sasuke has these as well;
→ 8] You can see that Sasuke's head is almost as big as Sakura even though he is running. [You must be registered for see links] Both Sasuke and Naruto, who is in his Kyūbi Chakura Mōdo, are running towards Sakura to quickly reach her and then Sasuke suddenly appears next to her before Naruto does and Sakura is shocked given her '!'.
→ 9] Naruto is falling and Sasuke is no where in sight [Top panel] while Obito is trying to hit Naruto [You must be registered for see links], shocking him. And then suddenly out of no where, Sasuke appears and uses Susano'o to protect Naruto which in return shocked the latter. [You must be registered for see links]
→ 10] Sasuke and Itachi are on the other side of the cave, holding Kabuto's snakes. [You must be registered for see links] And then suddenly, Sasuke appears behind Kabuto and takes off his hood. [You must be registered for see links]
→ 11] Sasuke is standing and the Samurai are a few meters in front of him. [You must be registered for see links][You must be registered for see links] And then suddenly he appears behind the Samurai, making a clean cut and shocking the Samurai without us or anyone else even noticing when Sasuke made a single movement. [You must be registered for see links]
→ 12] Suigetsu and Juugo are a meter [Maybe less] from each other and are about to make their attack [You must be registered for see links] and then suddenly, Sasuke appears between them, restricting their movements. [You must be registered for see links]
Will Orochimaru be capable of keeping up with Sasuke? No, definitely not. Even the so called speed feats you shown are nothing compared to Sasuke's own considering that Sasuke has shown the ability to keep up with even people like Naruto. There is no way that Orochimaru is capable of keeping up with Naruto. The speed feats you shown are most likely on Deidara's level and do I need to remind you once again that Sasuke already surprised Deidara with his speed. Orochimaru could possibly react and defend from the first few blitzes, but eventually he will get overwhelmed.
What blasphemy is this? This is not Hebi-Sasuke? as i said he clearly trained after Itachi's Death in order for him to take on the leaf :| Why, its like using Shinobi War feats for Naruto when debating with Early Part 2 Naruto. I'm just going to ignore this whole part....
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So i suppose he can use the jutsu, although that is no where near the quantity of Oro's snakes. You act as if Sasuke actually does teleport ._. He doesn't simply appear and disappear it only looks like that because of how fast he's moving, if the opponent is focused enough and fast enough they are still able to see the movements of Sasuke. So if fast enough Oro can indeed use the jutsu in time. Also you say that it won't impede his blitzes but then go on too say that he could use Chidori Stream to counter it or predicts its movements and avoid it, both of witch would require him to halt the blitz. Allowing Oro to go on the offensive Honestly Sasuke blitzing oro is a very unlikely factor as the DB states Oro has the same speed as Sasuke, and honestly even if he does he's not doing anything which i shall adress later.
So he's going to make a snake envelop him...to defend from the sword that pierces almost everything? ._. it would tear through the snake and proceed to end Sasuke as well. Again with the use of Post Hebi feats ...U_U just going to ignore that. Also Chidori Nagashi is not an attack that pushes back it merely destroyed the wood, it was proven that it could not push things back here
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It merely nullified the snakes, not push them back. And its not paralyzing a sword nor is it going to be able to destroy it like it did the wood. So thats not helping him hear either.Again with defending from Kusanagi with a wing ._. No it kills him if he does that. Also why do you assume Sasuke can just slice through this sword as if it were a plain steel weapon? Its on of the spirit weapons its known to pierce through anything, obviously its durability is going to be loads above a normal weapon,Even tanking diamond which would crush a normal sword
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,Sasuke really has not shown any expertise with that sword either, he usually uses it to deal one blow only
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, not repeated strikes which he would need to get through Oro's kenjutsu skills. His speed with it is nothing special either. Also you claim that Oro can't heal from Head injuries and throat injuries?
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:| That is all he would need to heal from a slash to the neck area, as he clearly can heal his skin.If he were to slice off the head..honestly i don't see why this wouldn't happen there
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Sasuke really has no way to put him down in CQC, Oro's speed and agility when in snake mode could overwhelm Sasuke honestly U_U
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As this would also allow him to bend and move like a snake, meaning he would be able to avoid Sasuke's attacks with new flexible movements as well.
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No the genjutsu would not carry with the new body, as the genjutsu chakra would remain in the old bodies brain, while the new one is made from cells that are totally genjutsu free. As for your other points..Really? Your going to use this, i mean Oro has a 5 in genjutsu in the DB so he should be able to realize and dispel it, other than that all i can say is that even if this is used Sasuke would have to remain out of sight until after the genjutsu is over, notice how he decided to attack Deidara from behind
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Which means that he can still physically be seen by the enemy even when they are in this genjutsu. So oro who senses chakra should obviously be able to realize he is in a genjutsu.--------
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I guess you could say that the snakes could potentially damage Aoda and Manda, however, that is unlikely. Considering Aoda's and Manda's size, all they have to do is just swallow up the smaller snakes in one attack and kill them that way. [
You must be registered for see links][You must be registered for see links] And don't take that 'Kusanagi can pierce anything' stuff. It failed to pierce the Chakra cloak. [You must be registered for see links] Furthermore, that is just an overstatement. Otherwise then I guess Domu is capable of tanking all of Obito's attacks since they are physical and that Sasuke is capable of blitzing Obito considering that his speed is god like and that it takes away breathes from the Akatsuki members.
Obviously it can't pierce everything which is why i've been stating its been SAID to pierce everything, but the fact that the DB said that means that it clearly has extraordinary piercing capabilities. And so your saying they are going to swallow the snakes? So the snakes are now free to impale and poison the large summons as they are now inside surrounded by soft tissue and as we all know you remain alive for some time when being swallowed by the snake. You basically just made my argument for me? Also Snakes have scales...which means that there is a wedge between the scale and the flesh underneath it, given the giant size of the Summons and the small size of the snakes, i don't see why they couldn't infiltrate the wedge with their swords and poison them that way.
Oro would rip through them with Kusunagi if they did that ....Or summon Rashoman in their stomach's
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Which would rip through the snakes indefinitely, i've already countered this above however ----------
Again with using someone's opinion who has no clue besides their own assumptions? No Madara and Obito's Katon still had a vertical height that dwarfed the Juubi
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Who we all know is gigantic, so it still should of had some affect on the atmosphere yet it didn't..Amertarasu is needed for Kirin.... A smaller scale Kirin can be tanked with Rashoman regardless...Kirin is useless for Hebi-Sasuke ...Especially hereHe flapped his wings and was able to get a boosted jump of the ground...That's my assumption, what makes his any better then mine, we both saw the same thing :| Stop ..Using what other people say.
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Eh fine you got me, however this isn't really important at all, so i don't need to state anything else
Armless Oro at his prime would be right after he switched bodies obviously so no he can use it more than three times.
Oh really now ....So 1000 fodders which we have no clue what happened>10000 poisonous snakes with swords, that are so much more condensed? No...not in a long shot.
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I'm going to make you have intercourse with a cactus because of that border title, bish. :|
Go tell the judges. u-u
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armless oro obviously >>>>>>>>>>>> hebi sasuke. sasuke explicitly said he waited till oro was at his weakest point to attack him. that's because sasuke knew oro would **** his shit up. that's like asking if start of shippuuden naruto can beat jiraiya after just being trained by him and displaying his entire arsenal...
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Working on reading it now. Going back to the beginning to get a fair refresher, obviously this'll take a little bit.
It's my first time judging, how do you want my answer written?
It's my first time judging, how do you want my answer written?
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:| Oro has next to no feats
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You don't have to write anything too long or fancy. Just give a short explanation as to who you think won and that's basically it.
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don't be ridiculous. armless Oro has enough feats to make him a tough fight for a kage.
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Its already canon that Orochimaru > Sasuke (Hebi) i agree, but in debates its about how the person debates the character its not all about who beats who low difficulty and so on.
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So hard picking my vote...you both put up such good arguments |:
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It's not quantity of feats, it's quality. Sasuke with his long list of 90% rubbish( only useful jutsus are chidori based variations, orochimaru's cursed seal, and orochimaru's snake jutsu ) is far less superior to orochimaru's small list of devastating forbidden techs, both offensive and defensive.
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What does he have?
8 Branch Technique? That really is just a giant summon ...
Body Replacement? Can't be used all that much
Rashoman? - Not really going to advance the fight all that much
10000 snakes-Anyone with Aoe Can deal with it
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He has more but would be better suited for current Orochimaru since has Senju DNA.
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For the love of God, this thread does not involve you. Sit the hell down .
On Topic: This was a really great debate guys. I'm glad I'm not a judge so I don't have to choose who won (._.)
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