[Discussion] Sabo is the 7th Shichibukai?

[LitzSabr]

Well maybe its not in the manga but Volume 1000 is cannony and I'm not the only one who thinks so

Thinking won't make it canon. Film Z and Volume 1000 were non - canon, said by Oda himself.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

The 7th Shichibukai is a man that was one of the people who escaped from Impel Down, strong enough to wound an admiral and who has been a pirate for 9-10 years.

Wouldn't Sabo have been at sea for 10 years?

 

[Kiiszame]

This.
If Sabo has the same personality like Luffy and Ace he wont work under the World Government.
And if you would have watched One Piece Film Z you would know that the Pirate who became the 7th Shichibukai was someone who killed all the cadets on Zephyrs Ship and took his right arm.
Unless you believe that Sabo is that cruel and is actually strong enough to defeat an Admiral.

I think they were referring to Doflamingo in that movie about Z. After all Dofla would be the only Shichibukai that could do such a thing and get away with it since he is a celestial dragon. His ability does involve cutting after all.

Also it doesnt make sense for them not to tell us unless its someone we know. Sabo would be a good choice since he could be keeping an eye on Kuma. And that would mean he is a badass.

We will see though.

 

[Love Cook]

Thinking won't make it canon. Film Z and Volume 1000 were non - canon, said by Oda himself.

Oda oversaw the movie, Oda created Z.

If it is said that the 7th Shichibukai cut off Z's arm, so you can be sure that the 7th shichi has either a cutting weapon or a cutting ability. Besides else what would be the point of bringing that up in the movie ? The only unknown he character from all the people he could've picked to cut off Z's arm. I doubt Oda would let the anime branch talk themselves into a corner and limit Oda's creativity. So he must already had a plan for the 7th shichi by that time so it doesn't really matter if the movie is or isn't cannon, it's important that Oda himself said it.

 

[LitzSabr]

Oda oversaw the movie, Oda created Z.

Oda then himself said it is Non-Canon. Oda had his hand in the movie which definitely improved the plot but it is just filler when he has himself said that. Can't defy the author.

 

[Hexuze]

Why does it have to be cut? I'd prefer him RIPPING his arm off instead.

 

[Love Cook]

Oda then himself said it is Non-Canon. Oda had his hand in the movie which definitely improved the plot but it is just filler when he has himself said that. Can't defy the author.

How can you say you can't defy the author and then just ignore him in the next matter.

That's stupid.

Do you really think that a man like Oda who carefully constructs his story just makes something up because it's fun? He also knows that he needs to reveal the 7th shichi sooner or later why create a plot hole if he just could avoid it by saying that it was a random pirate who cut off z's arm.

You come off as this wise high and mighty knowledgeable One Piece expert, but your logic is flawed. I dropped the matter on those databooks but you also were wrong there, it's not Oda who writes them but his assistants, Oda only provides material like notes and sketches the assistants do the rest. If you look at the books it's Eiichiro Oda's One piece and on the inside are the names of the writers of the books so don't bullshit and bluff around.

Next time post a source. Why would Oda be interested in telling fans if something is cannon or not. Why would it matter and what is the point to him ? The only thing Oda is overseeing this movie and directing the one before is to make sure things don't conflict with HIS story. That's why he creates time skip Aokiji so that the animators don't do it for him.

Saying Oda purposely made up the fact that the 7th shichibukai cut off the arm of a navy admiral just for the fun of it, and saying that it will be irrelevant to the abilities and power level of the last warlord because Oda said it was a filler according to you.

Is as stupid as it sounds.

 

[LitzSabr]

How can you say you can't defy the author and then just ignore him in the next matter.

That's stupid.

Do you really think that a man like Oda who carefully constructs his story just makes something up because it's fun? He also knows that he needs to reveal the 7th shichi sooner or later why create a plot hole if he just could avoid it by saying that it was a random pirate who cut off z's arm.

You come off as this wise high and mighty knowledgeable One Piece expert, but your logic is flawed. I dropped the matter on those databooks but you also were wrong there, it's not Oda who writes them but his assistants, Oda only provides material like notes and sketches the assistants do the rest. If you look at the books it's Eiichiro Oda's One piece and on the inside are the names of the writers of the books so don't bullshit and bluff around.

Next time post a source. Why would Oda be interested in telling fans if something is cannon or not. Why would it matter and what is the point to him ? The only thing Oda is overseeing this movie and directing the one before is to make sure things don't conflict with HIS story. That's why he creates time skip Aokiji so that the animators don't do it for him.

Saying Oda purposely made up the fact that the 7th shichibukai cut off the arm of a navy admiral just for the fun of it, and saying that it will be irrelevant to the abilities and power level of the last warlord because Oda said it was a filler according to you.

Is as stupid as it sounds.

No need to go hyper dude.. Hold on.
First of all you have nothing to backup your claim that oda doesn't himself write the databooks. Source says that he himself writes them and why can't he? He has written things like Grand line Times himself, but he can't write the databooks you think?? But anyways, reliable source and the databook itself as writer's name is Oda says that Databooks are written by Oda. Don't ***** about it. Just accept the fact. Don't make up things by yourself and say they are right. Edit: When it says that the databooks are written by Oda, even if Oda doesn't edit them or make the layout, it means that it's done under his supervision and he makes sure that the information in the books is correct as it is important extra information related to the story and shouldn't be written by some other writer than Oda(Even in the manga his assisstants draw backgrounds for him but it doesn't change the plot of something and author is still Oda). Oda supplies the info.

For the source, taken from wikia directly
OP Wiki Quote:
"Due to its nature similar to One Piece Film:
Strong World, this film was often subject of
canonicity discussion. However, Eiichiro Oda
himself and, later, the Chapter 700 confirmed it
to not be canon.
Oda himself said it to be not canonical, to not
create problems to the fans who follow only the
manga."

Accept what the author says. Z is filler. He was never the instructor of The admirals. If it's the 7th shichibukai who cut his arm then it might be just to show his level from Oda. It's just like this: Aokiji has the same strength in film Z but he has never met in the Straw Hats in the canon story(see where I am getting at,, has the same strength and can perform similar feats like in manga but the events in movie didn't happen i.e; are filler) , the Shichibukai cutting Z's arm is the same, he never did that,but you can get an idea of his strength from this filler feat written by Oda, but we Can't speculate who he is by these events as story in film z is filler.

 

[Neloangelo13]

Isnt Sabo's death confirmed on One Piece Green: Secret Pieces? And arent those databooks made / oversaw by the author himself?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Isnt Sabo's death confirmed on One Piece Green: Secret Pieces? And arent those databooks made / oversaw by the author himself?

The databooks are not overseen by Oda. They're more bullshit than the Bleach storyline.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Isnt Sabo's death confirmed on One Piece Green: Secret Pieces? And arent those databooks made / oversaw by the author himself?

the data books don't usually reveal the future and yet to come plot twist, most just try to explain what has been shown in the story up till time of publish so if it did say Sabo is alive or status unknown it wld take away from the big moment when he is shown alive(in a away Sabo's status in the Data book is just what Luffy knows or thinks). In the matter of the 7th warlord i support the Z reveal even if above i kinda said d.books explain stuff covered in the manga.(coz thats not a rule and anyway Oda here wants us to keep guessing then reveals the war Lord and wldnt it b a killer if its either Krieg, Kuro or Arlong)

 

[LitzSabr]

The databooks are not overseen by Oda. They're more bullshit than the Bleach storyline.

Dude they aren't Bullshit and they Are written by Oda. You can't reveal the future info in the databooks (sabo).

 

[Love Cook]

No need to go hyper dude.. Hold on.
First of all you have nothing to backup your claim that oda doesn't himself write the databooks. Source says that he himself writes them and why can't he? He has written things like Grand line Times himself, but he can't write the databooks you think?? But anyways, reliable source and the databook itself as writer's name is Oda says that Databooks are written by Oda. Don't ***** about it. Just accept the fact. Don't make up things by yourself and say they are right. Edit: When it says that the databooks are written by Oda, even if Oda doesn't edit them or make the layout, it means that it's done under his supervision and he makes sure that the information in the books is correct as it is important extra information related to the story and shouldn't be written by some other writer than Oda(Even in the manga his assisstants draw backgrounds for him but it doesn't change the plot of something and author is still Oda). Oda supplies the info.

For the source, taken from wikia directly
OP Wiki Quote:
"Due to its nature similar to One Piece Film:
Strong World, this film was often subject of
canonicity discussion. However, Eiichiro Oda
himself and, later, the Chapter 700 confirmed it
to not be canon.
Oda himself said it to be not canonical, to not
create problems to the fans who follow only the
manga."

Accept what the author says. Z is filler. He was never the instructor of The admirals. If it's the 7th shichibukai who cut his arm then it might be just to show his level from Oda. It's just like this: Aokiji has the same strength in film Z but he has never met in the Straw Hats in the canon story(see where I am getting at,, has the same strength and can perform similar feats like in manga but the events in movie didn't happen i.e; are filler) , the Shichibukai cutting Z's arm is the same, he never did that,but you can get an idea of his strength from this filler feat written by Oda, but we Can't speculate who he is by these events as story in film z is filler.

Dude they aren't Bullshit and they Are written by Oda. You can't reveal the future info in the databooks (sabo).

Take a hint man, and don't rip every bit of your so called wisdom of the wikia. So what if Oda wrote other stuff in the past ? He just doesn't do the databooks it's extra merchandise nothing more. He also doesn't sow all the Chopper plushies or design the nico robin and Nami busty mouse pads. He gives some sketches and notes and the editors write a book about it and sell it a million times because it's One Piece.

And that stuff about Oda saying movie z isn't canon comes from a very vague article that I've read a time ago when the same discussion was going on right after the movie came out. No one knew where the article came from, or if Oda really said it. If you look at the discussion pages of the editors you can also see that they have doubts about it.

All you keep saying is source source source. But your only source is the wikia. Come with a real on like I did.

Page 2 of the databooks with all the names of the authors where Oda isn't listed. He is the 'creator' of One Piece.

Edit: Here I took the liberty of finding you a part of the discussion on your precious wikia.

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It has interesting parts like:

I think the article lacks a complete source of Oda saying it's not canon, to start it could have taken place in the manga quite well, in one chapter the straw hats have arrived the new world and in the next they're drifting in the ocean, so Punk Hazard doesn't necessarily start right away.

So who is making up things now ?

You were wrong about the books and about what Oda said.

It isn't always the truth because you said so.

 

[LitzSabr]

Look man, I have never met Oda, so reliable sources on the net are my only source, not some random ass fan who can't deal with the facts in databooks which you probably have your source and are giving me from the start and telling me to believe.
About that quote, even you can see that it's pure speculation on their part. The link you are giving me are just converations like you and me are having.
You can't compare dolls to databooks, Databooks provide extra information and details of current events in the manga, Oda even gives names to unknown characters in it, many other things. Oda doesn't even see them dolls while he writes the d.books.
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Late edit, will go unnoticed: Also Oda himself has said in SBS that he this is his own series. He said that he won't be taking the ideas from others for his story,, if its good then this is his hardwork and if his story/idea turns out to be bad, it will be oda's own fault too. So why would he let ''his assisstants'' add 'more additional information' about the series and change his own story? (like they have explained about haki in detail in OP databook blue deep,, why would and how can somebody else except Oda do this. He doesn't even let them make the 'Characters' in manga (SBS),, well that's for a different reason (which is to keep them of similar style).. but still you get his motivation for his manga.
And even if the layout or editing is done by some other, you can't change the fact that Oda does the info part. Of course many people have their hands in finalizing databooks Just Like The Manga. You are making up alot of things I see.
Edit: BTW no names on Page 2 or inside found, I searched a whole databook again. I saw a review of one databook on youtube and I didn't see no writer's name on insides or whatsoever.
Aside from YT, the guy which gave the french translation also said there was no names for writers, only these credits to Oda like always. Name of Oda twice, under the front page and back strip on

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same on

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Same on

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Others: Author's note (which are by Oda).
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On DB Yellow

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. Also present on every other DB.
And now you'll say that it doesn't matter because apparently for you Oda messed up in his databooks a lot (no he doesn't) which he certain doesn't do may times in his manga right?
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If someone would say that he doubts that oda writes the manga, you will probably believe him too. Also i'm done arguing with you who can't even accept the facts of the world if they collide with your own ideas.

 

[Love Cook]

Look man, I have never met Oda, so reliable sources on the net are my only source, not some random ass fan who can't deal with the facts in databooks which you probably have your source and are telling me to believe.
You can't compare dolls to databooks, Databooks provide extra information and details of current events in the manga, Oda even gives names to unknown characters in it, many otger things. Oda doesn't even see them dolls while he writes the d.books.
And even if the layout or editing is done by some other, you can't change the fact that Oda does the info part. You are making up alot things I see.
If someone would say that he doubts that oda writes the manga, you will probably believe him too. Also i'm done arguing with you who can't even accept the facts of the world if they collide with your own ideas.

I'm not saying that someone told me that Oda doesn't write the databooks. I KNOW THAT ODA DOESN'T WRITE THE DATABOOKS. That you don't get the sarcasm part on the dolls only proves how naive you are.

I said a 100 times already where you could find the information but you're to stubborn to listen. It doesn't collide with my ideas but with your own.

There are countless of times where the databooks screwed up on terms of wanted posters, shichi inactivity, charachter deaths like bon clay and most likely Sabo, strength levels like zoro=luffy etc. So do you really think Oda would drop the ball not once but a couple of dozen times on his own story. You probably don't even own a databook or else we wouldn't be having this discussion.

anyway you're thick as a brick, I'm out.

 

[LitzSabr]

I'm not saying that someone told me that Oda doesn't write the databooks. I KNOW THAT ODA DOESN'T WRITE THE DATABOOKS. That you don't get the sarcasm part on the dolls only proves how naive you are.

I said a 100 times already where you could find the information but you're to stubborn to listen. It doesn't collide with my ideas but with your own.

There are countless of times where the databooks screwed up on terms of wanted posters, shichi inactivity, charachter deaths like bon clay and most likely Sabo, strength levels like zoro=luffy etc. So do you really think Oda would drop the ball not once but a couple of dozen times on his own story. You probably don't even own a databook or else we wouldn't be having this discussion.

anyway you're thick as a brick, I'm out.

Databooks didn't fk up. It's the fans that fked up and failed to understand it's purpose.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Dude they aren't Bullshit and they Are written by Oda. You can't reveal the future info in the databooks (sabo).

Hence they're bullshit as not all of it is true or in future will be regarded as true. And Oda reads them before publishing ; he doesn't write them himself. Nor does any other Mangaka.

 

[Hexuze]

anyway you're thick as a brick, I'm out.

What do you expect?

He thought Zoro > Luffy & Mihawk > Shanks. Even when people countered his arguments he still stayed with his ways.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

What do you expect?

He thought Zoro > Luffy & Mihawk > Shanks. Even when people countered his arguments he still stayed with his ways.

He thinks
Mihawk > Shanks (which is not something unreasonable. There's a lot of people who agree with this just as much as there are people who disagree with this. You can't think of this opinion as unreasonable)
Zoro = Luffy (I agree this isn't the most logical opinion)

 

[LitzSabr]

What do you expect?

He thought Zoro > Luffy & Mihawk > Shanks. Even when people countered his arguments he still stayed with his ways.

Lol, I remember you also put up an argument in my zoro thread and well it turned out to be totally wrong. Same happened with many others.
I ain't saying that I am/will be always right. On NB i've been proved wrong like 2 or 3 times and I Accepted that. But that only when it happens man.
And I never said that Zoro > Luffy, i said it's a =. Seems like you have developed an enmity towards me from just 2 topics. Lol

He thinks
Mihawk > Shanks (which is not something unreasonable. There's a lot of people who agree with this just as much as there are people who disagree with this. You can't think of this opinion as unreasonable)
Zoro = Luffy (I agree this isn't the most logical opinion)

Now oe Rinne, since when did the no. people of agreeing and disagreeing with an opinion makes it reasonable?
BTW read the zoro thread if you have doubts, it's way more bigger than our conversation. 10/10 you will learn something new!