Naruto might get rinnegan..

Mr Hiru

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I get what you getting at. Getting all the Bijû's, he becomes the Jinchûriki with Rinnegan... Which is false.

First of all, Obito had only one Rinnegan that he got from Nagato. The other eye was Sharingan, yet it didn't mutate back to Rinnegan when he got the full Shinju. That means that the Jinchûriki does not have access to this Dõjutsu.

Not to mention, Obito never had Eternal Mangekyõ Sharingan, you can't skip steps. He couldn't evolve to Rinnegan even with Senju DNA.

Second thing; Naruto does not have neither. Or them full. He may have traces on Senju, but the fact that Naruto is only half Uzumaki by blood and is not even distantly related to Uchiha murders your theory harshly. And remember that Naruto has no traces of Kotoamatsukami anymore...

Not to mention, as you yourself stated, Hagõromo got his Dõjutsu from his mother, Kaguya - not from being the Jinchûriki.

Your theory is biased I have to say.

I really wonder if the requeriments were met in Obito.

As far as I know, he never had the 100% of the nine bijuus inside him (reason of why his mutation to the Ten Tails Jinchuuriki was imperfect).
 

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I really wonder if the requeriments were met in Obito.

As far as I know, he never had the 100% of the nine bijuus inside him (reason of why his mutation to the Ten Tails Jinchuuriki was imperfect).

Could be, but Gyûki and Kurama's Chãkra restored (at least Yàng), but neverthless Obito had Senju DNA.

Why didn't it mutate then?
 

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Could be, but Gyûki and Kurama's Chãkra restored (at least Yàng), but neverthless Obito had Senju DNA.

Why didn't it mutate then?

In the case of Madara, Senju DNA and Uchiha DNA was not enough to awake the Rinnegan. He had to be in the end of his lifespan in order to awake the legendary doujutsu. So the formula Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA is out of question.

If we talk about the Sage, it is still a mystery... how did he awake the Rinnegan? Under which conditions was he able to do it?

We only know the Sage was born with the power of the fruit, that is equivalent to the power of all stages of the Juubi but the first. So when he became the Jinchuuriki, he had the 100% of the power (or less, since his mother had part of the power).

Obito has not eaten the fruit yet, so he doesn't have the 100% of the Juubi's power.

He was born a god because his mother ate the fruit.. the source of his power is juubi.

Exactly.
 

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I've seen plenty simple minded rebuttals but the ones I've seen here are, for lack of a better word, ridiculous. The OP made well and sound points; no matter how you look at it the Sage's power came from the Juubi, either by being born with the Juubi's power through his mom or by becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

So saying that it (the rinnegan) can only be achieved through the Uchiha and senju DNA is just willful ignorance.

1. The senju and Uchihas are blood decendants of the Sage with the Sage's power split almost equally between them. One has the body (which is eerily similar to the Juubi physical manifestation as expressed in Hashirama's mokuton), and the other has the Eyes (again similar and by logical deduction, derived from the Juubi's flower bud/eyes).
In conclusion, a mix of senju and uchiha powers is a mix of divided Juubi powers to form a collective whole, simple! Hence, again through deductive reasoning, by skating the uchiha/senju DNA debacle and going straight to the source, the juubi, through it's divided chakra in the form of the nine tailed beast, you'd achieve the same thing and more.

2. The second thing I want to address is Obito; true his sharingan eye did not turn to the rinnegan but then there are many diverse factors to consider here;

  • He had the rinnegan to begin with, one could argue that to be 'affected' so again would be redundant (a bit like the fitness test of an evolutionary process, once the goal is achieved there is no need to continue the mutation).
  • It may have been controlled; who's to say obito didn't want it that way (my weakest point but it's a factor to consider non the less).
  • The Juubi was/is not at it's final form, as confirmed with the delayed blooming of the flower bud, missing huge amount of Nine tails and Eight tails chakra (my strongest point).

It's isn't farfetched by any stretch, infact it's perfectly 'reasonable' but as for whether Naruto will get the rinnegan in the end, well, that for Kishimoto to decide because no matter how much logic you can find in fiction, the author or writer in the end is the only one with creative liberty to get the final say (or the greedy producers ofcourse ;)).
 

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Now i think rikkudou did get born with the rinnegan, with it being a trait of the juubi chakra that was one with his mother (so not jinchuuriki but one with his mother)
Like naruto had whiskers from birth, because kushina was the kyuubi jinchuuriki. (that's probably also why naruto's chakra connects so well with kyuubi's chakra)

Maybe your kid would also have the rinnegan if you're the juubi jinchuuriki, but kaguya ate the fruit, which is different.
Maybe that has something to do with it that madara only gained rinnegan when he was at the end of his life span.. in stead of being born with it.. jdhfjkdfshlkg nkmngfngn fjk
 

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No he will not get it because he doesn't have senju dna blah blah blah etc ..

What a Senju? Whats an Uchiha? a Half Uzumaki,Eye jutsu uses one kind of Chakra and body Jutsu use a noter kind of Chakra,yin and Yang. Uzumaki as seal master use both sines some seals are for yin and some seals are for Yang.
 

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Could be, but Gyûki and Kurama's Chãkra restored (at least Yàng), but neverthless Obito had Senju DNA.

Why didn't it mutate then?

2 Plausible reasons:

1. This was noted by Waltz on my thread regarding how Naruto would awaken it; the amount needed is varied and how much Obito/Naruto would have depends on the beasts they have. Obito has 1-7 and very miniscule portions of 8 and 9. But we now know that Kurama, even at half power (chakra) is overwhelmingly more powerful than 6 combined Bijuu's. Full Kurama is far and above the most powerful, and its essence in comparison to the Juubi, probably comprises closer to half of the Juubi's overall composition/power. So in this instance, Naruto would have an abundance of chakra from the 7 Bijuu's (Shukaku going to Gaara and the tentacle going to Kirabi), and 100% Kurama, effectively having MORE of the Juubi's overall power than Obito had courtesy of Kurama's obvious superiority in power and chakra. We also have to note, Naruto would be gaining overwhelming Yin (because he would be getting the Bijuu's in their full composition) when he would absorb them from Obito which would complement his already existing Yang Chakra.

2. Obito has the Sharingan and Rinnegan. The Sharingan came AFTER. It EVOLVED from the suspected Elder Son's Dojutsu and became the mainstay Kekkai Genkai of the Uchiha Clan. Therefore, it is further ahead in the evolutionary chain and wouldn't be able to de-evolve from itself to the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan eye in the left eye is self-explanatory.

OT: Made a similar, but far more extensive theory regarding this. It's basically confirmed that no matter what, the Rinnegan comes from the Juubi (as Rikudou got it from the Juubi in someway). The only qualm is how much chakra of the Bijuu's is needed to have this effect happen upon a host of the beasts.
 

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I respect this thoery but I don't think Naruto will ever get The Rinnegan since he didn't had Senju DNA before. Sasuke will get it, not him.

If sasuke gets it then that will be a major, major, major ASS PULL by Kishi...
Madara took years not sure how much but I would say at least 50 to awaken it and even if Sasuke got infused with Senju DNA then it should take him close to that to get it.
But Kishi could come up with some ass pull excuse like Oro developed a special technique to make it evolve in minutes.
 

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No lol, he doesn't have senju DNA plus he doesn't even have the sharingan to begin with, case closed lol.
 

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No lol, he doesn't have senju DNA plus he doesn't even have the sharingan to begin with, case closed lol.

Where did the Senju and Uchiha got their powers from? Where did the source of these clans got his power from?

...now where is your case closed?
 

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case closed.

Well, if Uchiha/Senju powers didn't come from the Juubi, if Sage of Six Paths powers didn't come from the Juubi, Bijuus didn't come from the Juubi, if Jinchuurikis power didn't come from the Juubi, as well as the Rinnegan...

Each of these factors are related by its common source. I don't understand how you can't realize this single fact.

You still didn't find decisive proof breaking this theory.
 

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We already seen Naruto's eyes in Sage Mode,We already seen Naruto's eyes in Kurama Mode, we now have Naruto's eyes in Sage/Kurama Mode combine add to it each Tail Beast has Different eyes from each other and Naruto getting all their powers,who is to say Naruto's eyes won't keep changing with each power from each Tail Beast? The evidence is that Naruto's eyes do change with power ups, so it's possible that He can gain the Rinnegan as the total sum of each tail beast power and if He dose He is then the new SO6P.
 

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Where did the Senju and Uchiha got their powers from? Where did the source of these clans got his power from?

...now where is your case closed?

That's a fallacy, you should know that.

Just because A and B come from C, doesnt mean A = B.
 

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That's a fallacy, you should know that.

Just because A and B come from C, doesnt mean A = B.

No it isn't. A fallacy is saying something without proof. The Uchiha and Senju gained their powers via a split of Rikudou's abilities, and as such, his abilities were from the Juubi regardless (Shinju -> Kaguya -> Rikudou). And the Bijuu's are essentially the Juubi. Ruling something out because of only one instance especially in this case is rather illogical.
 
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