Orochimaru: Strongest Sannin?

[raziel777]

my fault! got confused. =D

No prob man

 

[Joker]

This has become a thread judging individual's own powers into a which can summon better.. nice.

Summoning is ones on power, otherwise we shouldn't count Jiraiya's SM, now should we?

 

[Lightbringer]

By crippled you mean he just can't use his hands. Regardless of that fact, simple punches(or scratches in Naruto's case) won't hurt him.

Speed blitz with a Rasengan like he did on the paths of pain? The rinnegan link didn't even notice him, and the only reason he didn't take out a path was because it so happened to be preta path. Sm speed coupled with Ma's dust storm and we have ourselves a fight. Not to mention I don't see Orochimaru landing hits on SM Jiraiya that much either. SM sensing with Ma and Pa sensing as well and keeping Orochimaru at bay...


His arsenal is comprised of rasengan and extremely powerful doton and katon attacks. Not to mention his katon is extremely powered up by Ma and Pa.

Base Jiraiya outclasses Orochimaru in summoning as well. Swamp of the underworld has already held Manda down before(assuming we're saying Orochimaru has Manda). Then throw Gamabunta in the mix to slice him? Seems like we're having roasted snake tonight U_U.

Saying Jiraiya has nothing to kill Orochimaru is just sad U_U.

Kabuto literally cut Orochimaru's throat and mutilated his body...........Orochimaru still survived

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Orochimaru got sliced in half by the 4 tails and also had his body eroded by the acidic nature of the kyuubi chakra......he still survived

He also survived the 4 tails TBB

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I'm pretty sure some super Rasengan and Katon attacks aren't gonna cut it

 

[Joker]

Swamp of the Underworld ends Manda, and the two boss toads hold off or even damage Orochimaru. Gamaken and Gamahiro most likely solo Manda as well. Swamp of the Underworld slows down most snakes if not all of them. SM enhanced Swamp sinks anything Orochimaru has to offer.



Kabuto genetically made the snake. Only he can summon it. He created it. Only he can summon it.



Did anyone say that at all?

Working together isn't soloing. Kind of contradicting yourself?

 

[raziel777]

Swamp of the Underworld ends Manda, and the two boss toads hold off or even damage Orochimaru. Gamaken and Gamahiro most likely solo Manda as well. Swamp of the Underworld slows down most snakes if not all of them. SM enhanced Swamp sinks anything Orochimaru has to offer.



Kabuto genetically made the snake. Only he can summon it. He created it. Only he can summon it.



Did anyone say that at all?

I don't see how the fact that Kabuto created the snake correlates to only him being able to summon it. Manda 2 is a clone created from Manda"s cells and drugs. He lives in the Ryuchi Caves. Anyone with the ability to handle such a huge summon can summon it. It's a summon, Kabuto merely boosted it

 

[Penguin]

Working together isn't soloing. Kind of contradicting yourself?

No. I am stating either Swamp of the Underworld solos Manda, or Gamaken and Gamahiro solo Manda. Either or works. No contradiction at all. Just options.

I don't see how the fact that Kabuto created the snake correlates to only him being able to summon it. Manda 2 is a clone created from Manda"s cells and drugs. He lives in the Ryuchi Caves. Anyone with the ability to handle such a huge summon can summon it. It's a summon, Kabuto merely boosted it

Kabuto created it. Orochimaru knows nothing of Manda II, and even if he did Kabuto would need to teach him how to summon it.

 

[raziel777]

This has become a thread judging individual's own powers into a which can summon better.. nice.

I just don't agree on the fact that supposedly only Kabuto can summon Manda 2. It just doesn't make sense to me

 

[raziel777]

No. I am stating either Swamp of the Underworld solos Manda, or Gamaken and Gamahiro solo Manda. Either or works. No contradiction at all. Just options.

How does the swamp solos Manda ?

And Manda solo'd Gamabunta, the strongest toad summon. If it weren't for Katsuyu, Gamabunta would have been snake food

 

[Penguin]

How does the swamp solos Manda ?

And Manda solo'd Gamabunta, the strongest toad summon. If it weren't for Katsuyu, Gamabunta would have been snake food

It sinks Manda? Manda won't be able to move, and shedding his skin won't save him.

Gamaken > Gamabunta in close quarter combat. Gamabunta is over-all more versatile due to his elemental Ninjutsu, but Gamaken and Gamahiro would be more than enough to deal with Manda. But as stated before, the Swamp ends Manda as well.

 

[raziel777]

It sinks Manda? Manda won't be able to move, and shedding his skin won't save him.

Gamaken > Gamabunta in close quarter combat. Gamabunta is over-all more versatile due to his elemental Ninjutsu, but Gamaken and Gamahiro would be more than enough to deal with Manda. But as stated before, the Swamp ends Manda as well.

The Swamp could barely hold a normal summon. Manda is times bigger than it and much much faster...

Gamabunta > both other Gamas. It has been stated.

 

[Penguin]

The Swamp could barely hold a normal summon. Manda is times bigger than it and much much faster...

Gamabunta > both other Gamas. It has been stated.

The drugged Jiraiya who could barely mold chakra did that. A base Jiraiya with full chakra can sink him.

Overall yes. But that doesn't mean Gamabunta is better in every category. Example.

BM Naruto > EMS Sasuke, but Sasuke is better with genjutsu.

Gamaken is more agile and has better Taijutsu / Kenjutsu.

 

[Multiply]

How does the swamp solos Manda ?

And Manda solo'd Gamabunta, the strongest toad summon. If it weren't for Katsuyu, Gamabunta would have been snake food

I never noticed that wasn't Manda in that picture... Interesting. However, the fact still remains that the swamp can be expanded much larger. Jiraiya was hardly able to mold chakra in that fight. Shown when he summoned Gamakichi, instead of Gamabunta.

By Gamabunta being snake food you mean this?

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He was already pulling Manda from it's tail out of the ground. Tsunade throwing the sword was only to subdue Manda.

 

[-Sky-]

Well, a nerfed Jiraiya was inferior to a nerfed Orochimaru. However it would be a different story at full health.

But current Oro has senju DNA, along with his already high vitality. Defeating him with Jiraiya's arsenal would be near impossible.

However, in Sage mode Jiraiya would have access to Frog Song, which I believe is his best chance.

If oro sees frog song he can counter it by shutting of his hearing though, am I right?

Don't get me started on Tsunade though. She doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Penguin]

Shutting off....his hearing? Can he even do this?

 

[-Sky-]

Shutting off....his hearing? Can he even do this?

I don't know. That's why I asked if I was right or not..

I'm asking because Kabuto was able to do it.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Orochimaru is automatically the strongest Sannin thanks to the clever device that is Edo Tensei.

Restrict that; And for the most part, armless Orochimaru can still compete with Jiraiya and has techniques to allow him to pressure a SM Jiraiya. I'd say due to the lack of feats, SM Jiraiya is the strongest variation of the sannin. But new feats will soon follow that'll allow Orochimaru to claim the spot of strongest Sannin

Yeah I only see Edo Tensei putting him above, without that then it's Jiraiya above him in my opinion. Also I possible way of dealing with the only 4 Edo's in Oro's arsenal is to do like what Hiruzen did and cancel it's summoning. Also base Jiraiya has shown to turn someone into frogs with hand seals, which can most likely stop an edo. Also he shown to have great sealing knowledge when he sealed Amaterasu so shadow clone and using his hair to grab them and other clones to seal them is possible. I only say this cause only way Oro woudld have them fight is if he is controlling them and we already witness, controlled edos aren't as strong as when they have control over their own bodies.

Orochimaru is easily the greatest Sannin.

Orochimaru fought a 4-Tailed Naruto just for kicks (WITHOUT ARMS), while Jiraiya nearly died from 4-Tail Naruto even though he was prepared.

Orochimaru is easily the strongest. It's no contest.

Uh, Wrong. Orochimaru just wanted to test Kurama's power and nearly died in the process. He said so himself he would have died it the tbb hit him and we said Oro wiped out after that last rebirth so he used his sword to move the 4 tails away so he wouldn't die. You say without his arms but fail to see that he was using his arms in that fight. How do you think he did his jutsus? He can use his arms after switching bodies for a certain amount of time, he said this in part one after fighting Tsunade and Jiraiya that he had another way to get his arms back and it shows the lady's face of who body he's in.

And No Jiraiya wasn't prepared for the 4 tails, Go back and reread. He was training Naruto to control his power and had the key only slightly open Naruto's seal and then Naruto went 4 tails and almost killed a surprised Jiraiya who was trying to disable, not kill Naruto. Orochimaru is only stronger due to Edo, without then Jiraiya is stronger.

Show me a scan of tsunade and jiraita taking on 4 tails naurto for the fun of it.

Oh wait...

Show me a scan where Oro taking on the 4 tails for fun and not almost dying in the process, oh wait.... He wnted to test Kurama's power and end up almost dying, he said this himself that he would have died.

Well, Jiraiya is not Itachi, he's Jiraiya. And by that logic, Orochimaru can beat Jiraiya because he himself implied that he could,

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And besides, as you said, Itachi is stronger than Jiraiya, so he was obviously lying to Kisame so they wouldn't have to kill Konoha's most powerful public guardian for no reason.

By that Same Logic Jiraiya can beat both Itachi and Kisame because he implied he could. Who to say that gap meant power wise? You seem to forget Oro logic wasn't that great back then, he underestimated Naruto and then was shocked to see Naruto use a high ranked jutsu to beat Kabuto, a jounin ninja and then wanted to kill him in fear of what he might become. Last time Oro fought Jiraiya was when he left Konoha and Jiraiya tried to stop him but he wasn't trying to kill him but bring him back where as Oro had the advantage because he would fight to kill just like Naruto and Sasuke in the VoTE.

Also Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi, he had full confidence in beating them and has knowledge on them due to his many years of spying on them. Jiraiya even knew about the Rinnegan and fought 1 to 3 to all 6 paths which are all kage levels. And using the didn't want to kill Konoha strongest ninja excuse don't fly here because Jiraiya wasn't a Konoha Ninja anymore, he cut off his ties and left Konoha years ago. He can do whatever he wants just like the other Sannins.

As for Lying to Kisame, Kisame and Itachi didn't trust each other so if Kisame thought that was highly unlikely then he would have either fought Jiraiya himself or report the matter to the rest of the Akatsuki plus the fact that Zetsu always spying on Akatsuki members. We all learned that Itachi kept his Sharingan on because he didn't trust Kisame, in Kisame's flashback he threaten Itachi to always keep an eye on him with Samehada by Itachi and Itachi with MS on then goes 3 tomoes.

 

[Xāvî1]

He is the strongest sannin alive

 

[sdam]

Well Oro has EDO TENSEI, but without that i see Jiraiya above him because of SM. Tsunade has that technique that heals her for a specific amoth of time. But as seen in part 1... Oro is not a effected by Tsunade hitting him several times... NOHATE =D

 

[KidGamer65]

From what I've seen SM Jiraiya takes him handily.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Hands down, Orochimaru is the strongest Sannin.