Does the Rinnegan require the Juubi, or does it not?

[Booker]

Did The Sage obtain the Rinnegan before or after absorbing The Juubi?

To be fair, there's both evidence for him having it either before or after The Juubi incident.

Overall though, is The Juubi required? I believe it is not.

Let's look at Madara; he was able to awaken the Rinnegan. He wasn't attached to the Gedo Mazou when he unlocked the Rinnegan, since you need the Rinnegan to summon the Gedo. So, no Juubi here. Even if he was attached to the Gedo when he unlocked it, The Gedo =\= The Juubi. The Gedo is its hollow husk and lacks The Juubi's power.

On top of that, we have the instance where Obito actually became the Juubi's jin, and didn't obtain his second Rinnegan. Unless Obito resisted the forming of his new Rinnegan (which would be a ridiculous proposition), The Juubi does not invoke the Rinnegan.

 

[Limbo]

You dont need the rinnengan to be the jin, Obito only had the rinnengan so that he could control the edo-jins with the black-rod-thingys like nagato.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Yeah it does, The Fruit came from the Jubbi, The Fruit Gave Kaguya chakra,Kaguya had the Sage, the Sage had the Rinnegan so yes

 

[Lightbringer]

I always held the notion that the Rikudou Sennin possessed the Rinnegan since his birth.

 

[rollin]

the sage had it before the juubi
madara planned on being it's jin and he has the rinnegan after being part senju and uchiha;he said using the juubi's power i will magnify my eyes to the ultimatle level and reflect my eyes off the moon

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[Young Vongola]

I'm like 99% sure the sage was born with the Rinnegan. I don't think it requires the Jubi, but like you said both sides have evidence. We'll find out soon enough unless Kishi forgets to explain.

 

[Shichi]

Yeah it does, The Fruit came from the Jubbi, The Fruit Gave Kaguya chakra,Kaguya had the Sage, the Sage had the Rinnegan so yes

Makes sense.... This is well said U_U

 

[The Necromancer]

The Juubi having the same eye as a genetically natural rinnegan eye is absurd. The rinnegan is either formed from the juubi's presence as a jinchuriki, or was passed through the sage's mother by the juubi's fruit. Either way it's a byproduct of the juubi.

 

[VongolaX]

Naturally by blood you have to be Senju+Uchiha to later awaken the rinnegan.

However, the sage was born with the juubi's chakra, so some features of the jubi will occur on the sage.

Example: Naruto's whiskers

 

[Booker]

The Juubi having the same eye as a genetically natural rinnegan eye is absurd. The rinnegan is either formed from the juubi's presence as a jinchuriki, or was passed through the sage's mother by the juubi's fruit. Either way it's a byproduct of the juubi.

But not as a jinchuriki of The Juubi, which means he had it beforehand.

 

[The Necromancer]

But not as a jinchuriki of The Juubi, which means he had it beforehand.

If the sage was born with the rinnegan, it's because his mother ate the fruit of the juubi. What i'm saying is there is no way in hell that the rinnegan was a naturally occuring power.

 

[Booker]

If the sage was born with the rinnegan, it's because his mother ate the fruit of the juubi. What i'm saying is there is no way in hell that the rinnegan was a naturally occuring power.

All the mother inherited from The Juubi was chakra, which she then passed on to her son through the Rinnegan

So yeah, I guess you could say it was the Juubi's power, but then that also means that all jutsu with chakra is the Juubi's power since all chakra came from him.

 

[The Necromancer]

All the mother inherited from The Juubi was chakra, which she then passed on to her son through the Rinnegan

So yeah, I guess you could say it was the Juubi's power, but then that also means that all jutsu with chakra is the Juubi's power since all chakra came from him.

What i'm assuming, is that the sage's line has special juubi chakra (sharingan, rinnegan, senju chakra) and the sage traveled the world "energybending" (if you've seen avatar the last airbender) chakra to the people of the world, as there's no possible way every chakra using person in the world now is a descendant of the sage.

 

[Booker]

What i'm assuming, is that the sage's line has special juubi chakra (sharingan, rinnegan, senju chakra) and the sage traveled the world "energybending" (if you've seen avatar the last airbender) chakra to the people of the world, as there's no possible way every chakra using person in the world now is a descendant of the sage.

First and foremost, I love Avatar. Toph is far and away the coolest.

However, that doesn't make sense. Chakra wasn't inherent to people, chakra only was obtained when Kaguya ate the fruit; she got chakra, and then passed it to her son.

To be honest, it's entirely possible all (chakra using) shinobi descended from either the Senju or Uchiha. We have no idea how many years ago the Sage existed, it could have been thousands. That is ample time for shinobi clans that use chakra to form.

This is only supported by the fact that there are "normal" people who don't use chakra at all, and it's either lying dormant from years ago or they don't have any.

 

[Benferguson]

First and foremost, I love Avatar. Toph is far and away the coolest.

However, that doesn't make sense. Chakra wasn't inherent to people, chakra only was obtained when Kaguya ate the fruit; she got chakra, and then passed it to her son.

To be honest, it's entirely possible all (chakra using) shinobi descended from either the Senju or Uchiha. We have no idea how many years ago the Sage existed, it could have been thousands. That is ample time for shinobi clans that use chakra to form.

This is only supported by the fact that there are "normal" people who don't use chakra at all, and it's either lying dormant from years ago or they don't have any.

And also it's stated the the senju and uchiha are decedents of the sons of the sage there could be others just no direct decedents bloods thinner but still has chakra

 

[The Necromancer]

First and foremost, I love Avatar. Toph is far and away the coolest.

However, that doesn't make sense. Chakra wasn't inherent to people, chakra only was obtained when Kaguya ate the fruit; she got chakra, and then passed it to her son.

To be honest, it's entirely possible all (chakra using) shinobi descended from either the Senju or Uchiha. We have no idea how many years ago the Sage existed, it could have been thousands. That is ample time for shinobi clans that use chakra to form.

This is only supported by the fact that there are "normal" people who don't use chakra at all, and it's either lying dormant from years ago or they don't have any.

Well if every chakra user was a descendant of the sage, then A's quote about the gin and kin brothers wouldn't make sense. As everyone theoretically would be able to eat the parts of the bijuu to obtain similar powers.

 

[KingHashirama]

First and foremost, I love Avatar. Toph is far and away the coolest.

However, that doesn't make sense. Chakra wasn't inherent to people, chakra only was obtained when Kaguya ate the fruit; she got chakra, and then passed it to her son.

To be honest, it's entirely possible all (chakra using) shinobi descended from either the Senju or Uchiha. We have no idea how many years ago the Sage existed, it could have been thousands. That is ample time for shinobi clans that use chakra to form.

This is only supported by the fact that there are "normal" people who don't use chakra at all, and it's either lying dormant from years ago or they don't have any.

No reread mate. The Sage TAUGHT people how to manipulate chakra. There is the ability to make chakra and be born with it. The sage was born with chakra, no creating required. However then he taught others how to manipulate or create chakra. And then the idea of Shinobi spread. Also, the Samurai also used chakra (which i'm assuming were during Rikudou's time when he started teaching, the samurai also picked up how to use chakra).

So the idea of people descending from just senju and uchiha is impossible. He spread his religion. People did not have the knowledge of "chakra" they never knew it existed. But however Sage was born with it.. he mastered it , hence he had the ability to teach others about it.


The rinnegan does not require the Juubi itself. However, it does require the powers given from the juubi (the eyes of the uchiha and the body of the Senju).

 

[Transcendence]

It came from the Juubi regardless. I covered this is my recent theory. All chakra originated from the Shinju which is the Juubi in essence. Rikudou inherited his powers from his mother which she got from the Juubi via the God Fruit. It doesn't matter if it is from being the Jin, or being born with it through Kaguya; the Rinnegan came from the Juubi regardless.

 

[KingHashirama]

It came from the Juubi regardless. I covered this is my recent theory. All chakra originated from the Shinju which is the Juubi in essence. Rikudou inherited his powers from his mother which she got from the Juubi via the God Fruit. It doesn't matter if it is from being the Jin, or being born with it through Kaguya; the Rinnegan came from the Juubi regardless.

Only problem there is that not all chakra came from the Shinju.

The reason they didn't have chakra back in the Shinju's time isn't because they didn't steal from it or didn't have the requirements for it.. its because

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What Rikudou did was (since he was BORN with chakra) that

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Like how to make chakra and how it works.

And then further more he then traveled the world teaching people about chakra. So no not all chakra comes from the Shinju. However the starting of chakra comes from the shinju, hence in a way yes the chakra belongs to the juubi. But only because people had no clue about what chakra was.

 

[Transcendence]

Only problem there is that not all chakra came from the Shinju.

The reason they didn't have chakra back in the Shinju's time isn't because they didn't steal from it or didn't have the requirements for it.. its because

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What Rikudou did was (since he was BORN with chakra) that

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Like how to make chakra and how it works.

And then further more he then traveled the world teaching people about chakra. So no not all chakra comes from the Shinju. However the starting of chakra comes from the shinju, hence in a way yes the chakra belongs to the juubi. But only because people had no clue about what chakra was.

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