Sakura or Hinata

-Punk- · Nov 3, 2013

Thank you Kakazu .

OT : Femme said Sakura > Prime Tsunade . #GG Logic .

Murasame · Nov 3, 2013

mikeeozua said:
You didn't have to go through all that effort. I'm aware there are scenes in which Hinata doesn't revolve around Naruto. I'm just annoyed at how that's been her main driving point.

Why be annoyed when that's one of the reasons she was created for? That's like saying I'm annoyed by Orochimaru being a villain or something of that sort.

paratise · Nov 3, 2013

mikeeozua said:
You didn't have to go through all that effort. I'm aware there are scenes in which Hinata doesn't revolve around Naruto. I'm just annoyed at how that's been her main driving point.

Na-ah that's actuall his written thread he can spam it.
Though i don't see how giving ointment or bringing beverage will add a new layer to character...Even no-name medics or Icharaku ramen did those stuff. It is nothing deep and those interactions and actions are not related to development.

-Punk- said:
Thank you Kakazu .

OT : Femme said Sakura > Prime Tsunade . #GG Logic .

She probably meant young Tsunade by "prime"...A problem about whether she knew what prime is or not, she probably thought it meant "younger self" while it meant someone's highest level.

Murasame · Nov 3, 2013

caterpillar said:
Na-ah that's actuall his written thread he can spam it.
Though i don't see how giving ointment or bringing beverage will add a new layer to character...Even no-name medics or Icharaku ramen did those stuff. It is nothing deep and those interactions and actions are not related to development.

I'm pretty sure he posted that to show that Hinata's actions didn't always revolve around Naruto as some people exaggerate.. not to show deep development.

paratise · Nov 3, 2013

ErenJaeger said:
I'm pretty sure he posted that to show that Hinata's actions didn't always revolve around Naruto as some people exaggerate.. not to show deep development.

These are to much of minor things to regard her as a deeper and more than 1-dimentional character.
What was the point of that post then? Saying kettle is a misunderstood pot?

Murasame · Nov 3, 2013

caterpillar said:
These are to much of minor things to regard her as a deeper and more than 1-dimentional character.
What was the point of that post then? Saying kettle is a misunderstood pot?

Well I never said she wasn't a 1-Dimensional character did I? KGB would have to talk to you about that since he is more knowledgeable on her than me. The point of it was to show that she did also consider others and that she didn't always think of Naruto only as some people have said on here. She's a side character so I don't expect much out of her idk about you guys since you seem to make a big deal over her.

Keimil · Nov 3, 2013

Looks : No point..
Intelligence: Sakura, 3rd Databook:

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Hinata

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Stamina: Sakura, 3rd Databook:

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1vs1:

Sakura vs Hinata is not up to debate...

We could spend all night making up stories or creative tactics and ways of fighting to determine the winner, or we can all swallow or pride and face the facts:
Sakura

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This stats are from 2008, and were published in the third Databook, Sha no Sho, which proves Sakura is faster, smarter, has more stamina and is more skilled in Genjutsu and hand seals than Hinata.
Hinata is only superior in Taijutsu (per half point), and there is a tie in their skills in Ninjutsu.
The important thing is, Sakura is smarter and faster and has a one-hit-KO technique. Well exploiting these skills Sakura could develop a strategy, by analyzing the Hyuuga's moves (spoiler), and strike when it's the right time.

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Just reminding you the databook was published way before Sakura mastered Byakugou, there is no way Hinata can defeat the main heroine NOW if she wasn't able to do it back then... no matter how creative you can be, facts are facts, whether you choose to face them or live in your imaginary world, is up to you...
Improvement since part 1 : Sakura, since she was so weak during part 1 and now she is the top Kunoichi in K11, i think she deserves that recognition...
Summoning jutsu : Sakura:

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Raw Strength: Sakura, 3rd Databook:

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Speed: Sakura, 3rd Databook:

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Fatness: None of them.
Amount of Screentime : Sakura, by far.... Hinata is a secondary character...
Stronger eyes: Seriously? Hinata, of course...
Stronger body: Giving the fact one of them mastered Byakugou, has more Stamina and is faster, Sakura.
PD: Usefulness in battle (a team battle, 4 on 4 or 3 on 3 ): My vote goes for the main heroine. But i guess it depends on the team Sakura and her mates were fighting....

KGB Kakuzu · Nov 3, 2013

Sakura vs Hinata is not up to debate...

We could spend all night making up stories or creative tactics and ways of fighting to determine the winner, or we can all swallow or pride and face the facts:
Sakura

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Hinata

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This stats are from 2008, and were published in the third Databook, Sha no Sho, which proves Sakura is faster, smarter, has more stamina and is more skilled in Genjutsu and hand seals than Hinata.
Hinata is only superior in Taijutsu (per half point), and there is a tie in their skills in Ninjutsu.
The important thing is, Sakura is smarter and faster and has a one-hit-KO technique. Well exploiting these skills Sakura could develop a strategy, by analyzing the Hyuuga's moves (spoiler), and strike when it's the right time.

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Just reminding you the databook was published way before Sakura mastered Byakugou, there is no way Hinata can defeat the main heroine NOW if she wasn't able to do it back then... no matter how creative you can be, facts are facts, whether you choose to face them or live in your imaginary world, is up to you...

The problem is that speed and genjutsu are hardly factors.

The Byakugan was noted to see genjutsu. It was also capable of keenly perceiving fast movement of a plethora of objects. Hinata being able to simultaneously dodge the army of flying spikes, note one that was a threat to someone other than her (showing the ability to perceive multiple dimensions of the battlefield), and then block said spike with not only a strong enough blast, but also to keep from being hit herself.

Due to that, tracking one person who's speed isn't even her greatest feat, I don't see it being a problem. Additionally, stamina is also less of a factor because Hinata can simply play defense. Since Sakura's only option is CQB (which Hinata is better at), it makes it a much more difficult fight.

Naturally ignoring the idea of Katsuyu as OBVIOUSLY a summon completely changes this fight to Sakura's favor with virtually no chance of victory to Hinata... Excuse me, no chance of victory.

Without Katsuyu they are on comparable grounds. With Katsuyu they aren't.

Pervy Pandaa said:
Some of the categories are fvcking stupid.

I disagree. I find the comparisons f the summons they both obviously have to be completely relevant

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caterpillar said:
Na-ah that's actuall his written thread he can spam it.
Though i don't see how giving ointment or bringing beverage will add a new layer to character...Even no-name medics or Icharaku ramen did those stuff. It is nothing deep and those interactions and actions are not related to development..

1. Ointment shows she cares for her teammates. She even said some was for Akamaru showing she cares not only about Kiba, but additionally she treats Akamaru as a teammate and recognizes Kiba has a seen bond with Akamaru. Shows she's not only focused on Naruto 100% of the time.

2. The tea shows she's simply focused on her family at the time. She didn't even being up Naruto and instead was just spending time with Hiashi and Neji. Shows that Naruto isn't the only person on her mind at all times. It also shows she cares about and likes to do nice things for her family.

Yes Ichiraku and Medics do the same, but the point is HINATA did them and did so purely out of the interest of helping those people: Naruto not being a factor.

Does it add layers and layers of complexity: Of course not. What it does is show Dimension IS THERE, but simply will not be explored: because HINATA IS A SECONDARY CHARACTER.

Turson · Nov 3, 2013

Looks : Sakura

Intelligence: Sakura

Stamina: Sakura

1vs1: Sakura

Improvement since part 1 : Sakura

Summoning jutsu : Sakura

Raw Strength: Sakura

Speed: Punching speed? Hinata. Foot speed? Sakura

Fatness: ?

Amount of Screentime : Sakura

Stronger eyes: Hinata

Stronger body: Sakura

Usefulness in battle (a team battle, 4 on 4 or 3 on 3 ) : Sakura of course. Hinata is great scout, but Sakura is much stronger than her, not to mention that remote healing and chakra replenishing would greatly strenghten any team.

fayeon · Nov 3, 2013

Its funny how people say hinata is above sakura in speed even though kishimoto already proved in his databook that sakura is faster .
Again don't compare neji speed to hinata its soo much different

OT: No offence to oksus but this thread is silly

Especially "Summoning,fatness,stronger eyes"

Oksus · Nov 3, 2013

fayeon said:
Its funny how people say hinata is above sakura in speed even though kishimoto already proved in his databook that sakura is faster .
Again don't compare neji speed to hinata its soo much different

OT: No offence to oksus but this thread is silly

Especially "Summoning,fatness,stronger eyes"

Shh :O

I love your sig though :nosebleed:

Flawž · Nov 3, 2013

Sakura destroys Hinata. It's time for people to accept this.

Keimil · Nov 3, 2013

KGB Kakuzu said:
The problem is that speed and genjutsu are hardly factors.

The Byakugan was noted to see genjutsu. It was also capable of keenly perceiving fast movement of a plethora of objects. Hinata being able to simultaneously dodge the army of flying spikes, note one that was a threat to someone other than her (showing the ability to perceive multiple dimensions of the battlefield), and then block said spike with not only a strong enough blast, but also to keep from being hit herself.

Due to that, tracking one person who's speed isn't even her greatest feat, I don't see it being a problem. Additionally, stamina is also less of a factor because Hinata can simply play defense. Since Sakura's only option is CQB (which Hinata is better at), it makes it a much more difficult fight.

Naturally ignoring the idea of Katsuyu as OBVIOUSLY a summon completely changes this fight to Sakura's favor with virtually no chance of victory to Hinata... Excuse me, no chance of victory.

Without Katsuyu they are on comparable grounds. With Katsuyu they aren't.

I think Sakura's points in Genjutsu were meant to measure her skills in Genjutsu breaking, as she did in part one, so that skill is irrelevant in a fight against Hinata.

However, Speed is one of the most important factors in a Taijutsu fight, maybe Hinata could read her moves but that is meaningless if she cannot respond in accurate timing. For the record, Hinata didn't evade any of the wooden arrows, she reflected them with her Air Palm Jutsu, she did try to protect Naruto from some of them though...
Sakura is not only faster, but smarter than her, so she can also analyse her moves, and develop a strategy to defeat her considering the weak points in her style (Spoiler 1), remember she only needs to land one single blow, while Hinata has to land 64 hits to burn all the oponent's chakra...

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Flawž · Nov 3, 2013

Keimil said:
I think Sakura's points in Genjutsu were meant to measure her skills in Genjutsu breaking, as she did in part one, so that skill is irrelevant in a fight against Hinata.

However, Speed is one of the most important factors in a Taijutsu fight, maybe Hinata could read her moves but that is meaningless if she cannot respond in accurate timing. For the record, Hinata didn't evade any of the wooden arrows, she reflected them with her Air Palm Jutsu, she did try to protect Naruto from some of them though...
Sakura is not only faster, but smarter than her, so she can also analyse her moves, and develop a strategy to defeat her considering the weak points in her style (Spoiler 1), remember she only needs to land one single blow, while Hinata has to land 64 hits to burn all the oponent's chakra...

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Agreed one hundred percent. Plus rep.

Turson · Nov 3, 2013

Im little lost here, without Katsuyu Sakura and Hinata stand on equal ground? What? With or without Katsuyu it wouldnt be even a battle, it would be execution.

Oksus · Nov 3, 2013

Turson said:
Im little lost here, without Katsuyu Sakura and Hinata stand on equal ground? What? With or without Katsuyu it wouldnt be even a battle, it would be execution.[/QUOTE

=D
I agree, though everyone is allowed to have their opinion on this

Dooms88 · Nov 4, 2013

Sakura vs Hinata

Both have 1 hit KO's if they land a solid shot

I really want to see this played out lol

Siva Deepan · Nov 4, 2013

Hinata

iNotorious · Nov 4, 2013

KGB Kakuzu said:
Even with her limited appearance... and focus upon Naruto due to his Main Character Status, Kishi has provided moments where Hinata does not have Naruto as her direct focus, or even in her thoughts.

Chapter 78- Page 2

In this scene, Hinata is simply bringing an ointment to Kiba due to his cuts and bruises from his fight, she doesn't even mention Naruto, but instead is focused on Kiba and Akamaru.

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Chapter 58- Page 6

Out of concern for herself and her team's well being, Hinata recommend to Kiba that they should follow Shino's advice in playing things calmly. Which shows concern for her friends.

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Chapter 238- Page 8

In this scene, Hinata is merely bringing out tea for her father and cousin. It is Neji who brings up Naruto on the following page. Even then, Hinata says that it is fine, and is actually pushing away the subject until Kiba arrives to keep it in focus.

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Chapter 356- Page 6

In this scene, Hinata is focused on the encroaching enemy behind her.

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Chapter 357- Page 3

In this scene, Hinata is entirely focused on the present state of Kabuto's body... which is being taken over by Orochimaru

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Chapter395- Page 6

In this scene, Hinata focuses soulely on the target's chakra signature.

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I've gone through the effort of finding the exact chapter and page for all of the above; however, in the interest in my own time, I will simply provide a series of other scans showing Hinata taking individualistic actions that do not revolve around Naruto. The last image does show her raising concern over Naruto's well being; however, it was placed with the intention of showing an example of her being useful and productive to the overall continuation of the story (Chapter 611: Saving Naruto, Gai, Bee, and Kakashi's lives)

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Conclusion: There do exist a few more scans that also show her not thinking of Naruto; however, for the sake of making this thread even longer... I've left them out. The point is, Hinata is not really that different from other people when it comes to being a shinobi. Due to her role as a Secondary Character (and a secondary in love with the main character) her rare panel time typically results in her thinking of Naruto; however, despite this, there are clear moments where Naruto is not in her thoughts or actions. Were she to be given panel time in situations where Naruto is not even present, it would be very likely that she would not invade her every thought. However, instead of seeing situations where she is only around her team, her family, or quite simply not doing things near or focused on Naruto, we'd be able to see her more flushed out: caring for others and thinking of others just as she does for Naruto when he's around.

OH SHIT!!! HINATA DOING STUFF NOT FOCUSED ON NARUTO!!!!! IT REALLY DOES EXIST.

Not at all; however, A) makes it far easier, and B) Since Naruto has a trend of revolving around such people, it would better fit in a sense.

So... Talking about Hinata is the basis for why you needed to make a comment comparing regular eyes to the Byakugan? Because taking this literally, so much as saying Hinata uses Taijutsu warrants you to belittle Hinata's ability and praise Sakura. Would be real awkward in a thread that doesn't even involve Sakura.

Also, who do you mean by "you guys". Do you imply I comment about what Hinata can do and then ALWAYS compare it to how Sakura manages? I can tell you right now you're wrong.

I like Hinata. I don't like her for the reason of comparing her with Sakura. I like her for who she is and her fighting style. I could care less what comparisons people draw against Sakura.

Also, you're name is Femme Fatale... Can't have you just saying just Guys when making that category 'cause that's sexist !!

You sir, deserve my rep! I couldn't have it better it myself! Hands down.

Xlad · Nov 4, 2013

How many more times must this be made?

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