Location-Naruto V.S Oro
Intel-Manga knowledge
Intent-IC (In character)
Distance-25 meters
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May i ask the judges to be non-biased and to make sure they dont pick the victor because of personal preference over the character or debater.
For all our sakes people of NB, no spamming during debating or trolling eh? Lets see this debate till the end and see who the victor will be. As to when the debate will end is undecided.
Feel free to voice your genuine opinions before the debate but any interuptions during the debate will be considered spam. After the debate your allowed to spam but it better be damn funny!!!
Good luck to both debaters
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Didnt realize this before did you? Now you wont forget that only sasori can contradict himself. *cough* And kishi
I can judge if you need me to. I think Tobirama solos both mid diff at best, since he turns left and pecker slaps anyone. One shot ability on Shin Sūsenju level.
I can judge if you need me to. I think Tobirama solos both mid diff at best, since he turns left and pecker slaps anyone. One shot ability on Shin Sūsenju level.
The first three letters in Sasuke's name are the same as the first three letters in Sasori's name, therefore Sasuke > Orochimaru.
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To start off, I would like to note that both of them pretty much know about each other's abilities so neither one of them would be capable of surprising the other. The only exception happens to be Orochimaru's trump card; Yamata no Jutsu. However, it shall easily be dealt with. I will establish that a bit later. As for now, let us discuss about the Kuchiyose of both Sasuke and Orochimaru. The latter's Kuchiyose consists of; Manda [
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However, do not come to the wrong conclusion. Even if Orochimaru possesses the greater fire power when it comes to Kuchiyose, this so called fire power will only become Sasuke's new pets due to the Sharingan. As we have already seen in the manga, Manda has fallen prey to the Sharingan. [
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] It will be no different here for neither Manda nor the Kyodaija as they will only become Sasuke's new pets. Orochimaru shall recieve the punishment Manda promised him. [
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] Manda actually may as well come to Sasuke's side this time considering that both of them wish to end Orochimaru's life in this battle.With the Kuchiyose being on Sasuke's side, Orochimaru would have no other choice, but to enter the battle against Sasuke himself.
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Alright, I shall begin with CQC in which Sasuke is clearly the superior one. However, in order for you to not doubt this, I shall bring forth the proof as to why this is the truth. In the manga, Sasuke has already fought and defeated countless Otogakure Shinobi [
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] without a blood drop in return [In other wordy; Without a scratch]. Nor did he actually have the intent to kill as stated by Orochimaru himself. [
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Unfortunately for the snake, this isn't the only ability of Sasuke's that puts him above Orochimaru when it comes to CQC combat. The young Uchiha has already copied even some of Rī's techniques and created his own out of them such as the Shishi Rendan. [
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] Even in his battle against Gaara, Sasuke has proven that his Taijutsu is on par with even Rī's own. [
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] What makes him even more impressive in CQC is the fact that even an experienced Samurai [A type of warriors which specialize in CQC] like Mifune acknowledged Sasuke's Kenjutsu mastery. [
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And of course, Ninjutsu is also a factor here. Fortunately for Sasuke, his CQC Ninjutsu is indeed superior to Orochimaru's own since Orochimaru's only CQC Ninjutsu happens to be Sen'eijashu [
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] which Sasuke has shown to use as well. [
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] Not that it matters since Sasuke will easily deal with them with his Kenjutsu mastery just like he did in the manga. [
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] However, if Sasuke finds the Snakes to be too overwhelming [Which is doubtful] then he shall proceed to enter his Ten no Juin Bājon Ni and rip apart the snakes with his wings. [
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] If you by any chance believe that it usually takes that long for Sasuke to transform, you are incorrect. As seen in his battle with Deidara, when Sasuke stepped on one of Deidara's Kibaku Jirai, he was capable of reacting [
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With the Sen'eijashu being ineffective against Sasuke, Orochimaru will be forced to only parry against Sasuke if he is to enter CQC with him which would undoubtedly happen sooner or later. However, this won't be a problem for Sasuke since I have already shown that Sasuke is a lot better when it comes to Taijutsu or Kenjutsu. Furthermore, even someone like Hiruzen was capable of parrying with Orochimaru perfectly fine. [
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] Let's not even forget how Hiruzen had problems moving Enma due to his old age. [
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] Anyways, Orochimaru won't be capable of keeping up with Sasuke in CQC due to the fact that not only is Sasuke better at Taijutsu and Kenjutsu, Sasuke can also use the Chidori Nagashi to paralyze Orochimaru once he comes close [
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] [This can also be used to counter Orochimaru's Sen'eijashu by the way] and then he can simply cut off his head or something similiar to that. There is also the fact that Sasuke can simply envelope his Kusanagi with Chidori and cut throught Orochimaru's own Kusanagi [
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] so Orochimaru won't be capable of deflecting Sasuke's Kusanagi attacks with his own Kusanagi.
Of course, now we come to the final reason as to why Sasuke if definitely superior in CQC; the Sharingan. With the Sharingan's ability to predict movements [
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], Sasuke will be capable of easily countering all of Orochimaru's CQC abilities. Now, let's look into some of Sasuke's Sharingan feats such as being able to predict and counter even someone like Ēi's attack. [
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] There is also the fact that he was capable of predicting and evading Bī's attack while he was in his Gyūki Cloak. [
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] Realistically, Orochimaru shouldn't even be capable of laying a single finger on Sasuke in CQC.
Now that we have covered CQC, I would like to talk about Sasuke's Shunshin now. I'll be honest and go ahead and claim that Sasuke's Shunshin is actually as good, no, probably even better than Minato's own. Let me establish as to why this is true.
Sasuke's Shunshin Feats
→ 1] The first feat I would like to bring up is in his battle against Deidara. In this scan, Deidara is just as big as Sasuke's head [
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] and then he suddenly appears in front of Deidara, shocking him without the latter even realizing when Sasuke made the move. [
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] He even commented on Sasuke's speed by stating ''He's fast!''.
→ 2] Sasuke is standing right bellow Deidara [
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] and then suddenly he appears behind him. [
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] Deidara has no idea when Sasuke got behind him and is shocked, barely escaping his attack.
→ 3] Sasuke and his team appear to be as big as the prisoner's arm [
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] and then Sasuke suddenly appears behind him while cutting his chest open and both Karin and Suigetsu now seem a little smaller than Sasuke's head. [
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] He covered such a distance in a blink of an eye.
→ 4] Deidara is forced to use Shī Tsū because he thinks that 'Sasuke's movements are definitely too fast'. [
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] Please look at Deidara's size and the Dragon's size. [
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] Now check out the size of the explosion. [
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] Sasuke escaped the explosion and Deidara comments on his speed once again, saying 'Damn, he's fast!'.
→ 5] Next, Sasuke appears to be half the size of Naruto's head. [
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] Same can be said for Naruto. [
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] Then suddenly Sasuke appears down, holding Naruto's shoulder and shocking him. [
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] Yamato comments on his speed. Sasuke covered such a distance in a flash [
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] while Sakura didn't even notice when he made the move given her comment. [
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→ 6] This may or may not be as impressive as the Shunshin feats above, but I'll still add it. Sasuke was capable of evading Bī's attack [
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] and Bī comments on how no one except Ēi was capable of avoiding Bī's attack.
→ 7] At the Kage Summit, Sasuke was capable of appearing in the meeting room and no one was capable of noticing it until he made a cut on one of the curtains which shocked those present in the room in that moment. [
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] Please note that he was fast enough to cut all three of the curtains in the room present at that time as well.
Sasuke's Shunshin shall be useful against someone like Orochimaru considering that he got blitzed by Naruto. [
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] And this didn't happen only once. Orochimaru barely evaded Naruto's Chakra Arm seeing as it cutted off a few strands of his hair. [
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Now that I have shown you how exactly fast Sasuke is, the time to talk about Genjutsu has come. You could argue that Orochimaru won't look into Sasuke's eyes and there, Genjutsu is countered. However, this isn't true since we have seen that despite being owned by Genjutsu, Orochimaru is too cocky not the look into an Uchiha's eyes since even after his battle with Itachi, he still kept on having eye contact with Sasuke. [
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No matter what you believe, Orochimaru shall look into Sasuke's eyes and then he shall be caught within a Genjutsu. However, I shall not rely on Genjutsu that much anyways. Sasuke is no Itachi after all. He won't just spam Genjutsu after Genjutsu like Itachi does. None the less, Genjutsu will still be an effective weapon against someone like Orochimaru since it can be used to counter his own trump card; Yamata no Jutsu.
Alright. Let me show you how Sasuke can triumph against the Yamato no Jutsu. It's simple really. Just like with Deidara's explosives, the attacks of this heads will simply be evaded by Sasuke. [
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] Not to mention that Sasuke will predict the attack pattern of this snakes, making it even more easier to evade. Now to actually finish of the Hydra, Sasuke will proceed to cut of it's heads with a fast Chidori Eisō just like it cutted Deidara's Dragon's wing. [
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] Also this jutsu is capable of extending up to five meters as stated by Deidara. [
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And of course like I said, these snakes can easily be dealt with Genjutsu considering that they share the same body and the same Chakra signature. One of the snakes will look into Sasuke's eyes and they shall fall under his Genjutsu. If anything else fails, Kirin will end this.
Concerning Mandara no Jin. While I must admit that Sasuke probably can't take them down on his own except for using Kirin due to the number of the snakes [
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] and due to the fact that the smaller snakes can't damage either one of them while Sasuke can simply ride on top of one of them. [
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] Also, Sasuke has the ability to fly as stated by Deidara so he could simply fly over those small snakes. [
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Attacks from underground won't be helpful either due to the fact that not only can Sasuke see Orochimaru moving underground just like he saw Deidara's explosives [
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] by transforming and flying up as stated by Deidara himself. [
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] He was also capable of escaping Deidara's explosive at close range quickly. [
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] This just shows that Sasuke is capable of reacting in the last minute especially since he will see the ground cracking first. [
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With that being said, the only thing left is Orochimaru's Orochimaru-Ryū no Kawarimi no Jutsu. Unfortunately for him, he can only use it up to three times in a battle [
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] due to the fact that it takes too much Chakra and Sasuke knows this. He can just keep on pushing and killing Orochimaru with his speed until he runs out of Chakra due to using the Orochimaru-Ryū no Kawarimi no Jutsu and since Orochimaru can't really defend himself from Sasuke's speed, this won't be that much of a problem.
If anything else fails, Sasuke still has Kirin which would undoubtedly kill Orochimaru due to the fact that it would completely destroy his body since it managed to destroy [
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Close Quarter Combat I shall be using a fancy font as well U_U
Orochimaru The Snake that Shall devour Sasuke
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Opening Music
Oro's Speed
You Say Sasuke has the advantage in the speed category however realize that both Sasuke and Oro have a 4.5 in speed according to the DB, Sasuke may have the advnatage in QUANTITY of speed feats but Oro's are none the less impressive. He was able to travel from here
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to here
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With utmost ease as you can tell from his body position, and neither Yamato or Kabuto could see him coming...Not even the 3 shinobi watching the interaction from a distance could see Orochimaru coming
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Another feat is that he was able to traverse this Distance
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In very little time at all
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You used Sasuke avoiding Deidara's C2 mines as a feat for his shunsin correct? Oro has had a similar feat of speed when he avoided underground chakra arms from Naruto
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The fact that he started moving before they even exited the ground is an attribute to his Reactions.
He can also change his form into that of a snake which then increases his speed even more so
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Even blitzing the 4 Tails naruto
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Anyways Sasuke may be fast, but according to the DB and Even some feats, Oro is by no means comparatively slow
Oro's CQC Skills
First off something i had to point out is that you seem to think this
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Is the jutsu known as Striking Shadow Snakes, when actually its a paralysis Jutsu
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. Don't bother trying to say it would work on Oro because you realize where all these jutsu that Sasuke utilizes came from right? ...Oro himself, so its foolish too think he wouldn't be able to counter it. So while Oro can be attributed to using Shadow snakes with extreme precision
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And speed
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He was fast enough to catch the speeding Chakra hand before it crushed him, Which means it should be able to intercept Sasuke as well..And impede any incoming speed Blitzes. Now Oro may be arm-less however he can still utilize his Kusunagi.
Not only can he use it but he can launch it at great speeds at his opponents
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This can come in great use when Sasuke is trying to overcome Oro in CQC... However Since you made this Armless oro he would most likely want to stay away from Sasuke. And use Ranged attacks
Another way Ororchimaru can keep his distance is by utilizing his tongue extension, which as evident in
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scan can be launched at high velocities,which means this can also be used to impede any of Sasuke's incomming speed blitzes that he would most likely try to achieve here
He also can use his head Extension here if needed but it is rather risky and most likely he would avoid it.
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Even when Sasuke gets Close To Orochimaru, Oro's sword skills are not to be overlooked
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He was able to fight on par with Hiruzen, when he was using Enma as a weapon none the less. And as i said, Shadow Snake's could really tilt the CQC battle in Oro's favor
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.Now i'm assuming when we decided armless we meant how he was going up against Naruto in Shippuden, so his arms can still function fairly well just not perform high level Jutsu. So if Sasuke were to deal a fatal blow to Orochimaru in a CQC situation, as we all know Oro can deal just fine with pain, if he even feels it at all
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All he would need to do is use Body Replacement Jutsu, and then IMMEDIATELY Use his Kusunagi's levitation prowess
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To Impale Sasuke who is unsuspectingly still impaling the old body of Orochimaru, obviously he would drop his sword as to allow this strategy to take place.
One last thing to point out here is that Sasuke mostly utilizes his Chidori too from sharp shapes that slash and pierce the opponent, First off if Sasuke stabbed Orochimaru With his Chidori Spear, or any variant of Chidori including his sword, know that its not doing much , Oro himself stated that a sword wound as big as Totska piercing right through him is futile and would barely hurt him
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So its laughable to think that a small wound such as Sasuke's sword or Chidori is going to halt him much...Now if he try's to slash Orochimaru with his sword/chidori i think we all know how that would end, He would merely connect himself back together with the use of his Snakes
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really in CQC there is not much Sasuke can do to put down Orochimaru, whereas it only takes one strike to connect, to finish Sasuke.
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Genjutsu Countering
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Countering Shackling Stakes shouldn't be too much of a problem, i realize he has fallen for this multiple times however the easy counter has just come to me, as seen here
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Oro is still able to move his body somewhat, so all he needs to do is slightly open his mouth, and use the body replacement technique
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This will not only release him from the genjutsu, as he would of created a new brain from this technique meaning that Sasuke's genjutsu chakra will no longer be clouding it, and it will also allow him to get a head start on Sasuke, as he can spew out of his mouth with rather great speeds
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I thank you for not utilizing Genjutsu much in your opener, and i will counter everything towards the 8 Branch technique at a later time.
Merely Countering Your Shit
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For this i shall be Quote Countering you U_U As i find it easier
Concerning Mandara no Jin. While I must admit that Sasuke probably can't take them down on his own except for using Kirin due to the number of the snakes [1], this is where Aoda or Manda comes into play. By summoning one of them, Manda or Aoda should be capable of overpowering the smaller snakes quite easily due to the fact that they are way bigger [2] and due to the fact that the smaller snakes can't damage either one of them while Sasuke can simply ride on top of one of them. [3 → 4] Also, Sasuke has the ability to fly as stated by Deidara so he could simply fly over those small snakes. [5][6]
This is where you are wrong, the snakes can damage the Larger ones as a matter of fact, pretty severely as a matter of fact, each one of these snakes contain a Min-Kusunagi blade in their mouth
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, Now The Wiki tells me that they are Kusunagi blades, however you seem to always have acces to the Data Book, if it indeed says otherwise by all means let me know
The snakes can bite the enemy with their poison fangs and open their mouths to extend Kusanagi-like blades, making them even more deadly.
So you see the Kusunagi is stated to pierce everything, so the swords should no doubt be able to pierce through the tough skin, now you may think that they would be toothpicks compared to Manda and Aoda, and you are correct however, they still have their poison fangs with them, so the Small wholes in the tough skin created by the blades would then allow the Snakes to bite into the Large snake as it would now be a soft area underneath the skin,transferring the poison into the snake, and if even 1/10 of the snakes are able to accomplish this, that is 1000 snakes, 1000 snake like portions of poison entering Manda/Aoda, would surly paralyze if not kill them
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Now i suppose this is where i play my Trump card, The counter to Kirin
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Basically Sasuke can't use Kirin when its only Hebi Sasuke. U_U Look at this scan, see how large these Katons are
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They Dwarf the Juubi, and certaintly are extremely larger than Sasuke's Katons that he think activated Kirin
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Now look here
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There are clearly no clouds in the sky, nor does it begin raining at any time during this battle...What does this tell you? That basically Kirin can not be activated without the use of Amertarasu
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This was in fact the heat that changed the weather and was able to bring forth the Kirin. So basically, Kirin is negated with Hebi Sasuke at all times, and these snakes are still here.
Also i don't see how you can use the fact that Deidara said Sasuke can fly...as concrete proof that he can. Deidara saw wings so he assumed he could fly.... He never saw Sasuke fly nor has it ever been proven in the manga, at best he can glide. However this means he would have to land in the giant pit of snakes eventually.
Attacks from underground won't be helpful either due to the fact that not only can Sasuke see Orochimaru moving underground just like he saw Deidara's explosives [1], he will also be able to react in it time due to the fact that he was capable of reacting to Deidara's mine [2] by transforming and flying up as stated by Deidara himself. [3] He was also capable of escaping Deidara's explosive at close range quickly. [4 → 5 → 6] This just shows that Sasuke is capable of reacting in the last minute especially since he will see the ground cracking first. [7] Not to mention that he could trick Orochimaru with a Hebi Bunshin. [8]
You do realize that if Sasuke reacts to the underground attacks, the same way he reacted to Deidara's mines...He's dead? That is suicide, Oro's Kusunagi would then continue on up-wards surprising Sasuke I can imagine the face he would have as well as it clearly can extend in the air at great speeds and heights
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Also for some reason or another, Oro knows when a clone is a clone
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And wouldn't a snake clone help Orochimaru, he has control over snakes, they may even resort to his side, Orochimaru can also sense chakra
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, so he'd know where Sasuke is if he tries to hide and use the Hebi-clone as a distraction.
With that being said, the only thing left is Orochimaru's Orochimaru-Ryū no Kawarimi no Jutsu. Unfortunately for him, he can only use it up to three times in a battle [1][2][3] due to the fact that it takes too much Chakra and Sasuke knows this. He can just keep on pushing and killing Orochimaru with his speed until he runs out of Chakra due to using the Orochimaru-Ryū no Kawarimi no Jutsu and since Orochimaru can't really defend himself from Sasuke's speed, this won't be that much of a problem.
We agree'd to armless Orochimaru, not Sick and half-dead Orochimaru, He can use it plenty of times, and as i said, Sasuke's CQC attacks are not really going to force him to use that much anyways. AS well as the fact that Oro CAN handle Sasuke's speed just fine/
If anything else fails, Sasuke still has Kirin which would undoubtedly kill Orochimaru due to the fact that it would completely destroy his body since it managed to destroy [1] something as huge as the Uchiha hideout [2] and he needs to have some of his old body in order to produce a new one from it. All Sasuke has to do is gather the thunder clouds by flying and releasing Katons at the sky. [3]
I may be supporting Orochimaru, but now I'm 100% serious. No bias on my side. Your first debate post had so many false things in it, it's not even funny.
You Say Sasuke has the advantage in the speed category however realize that both Sasuke and Oro have a 4.5 in speed according to the DB, Sasuke may have the advnatage in QUANTITY of speed feats but Oro's are none the less impressive. He was able to travel from here
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With utmost ease as you can tell from his body position, and neither Yamato or Kabuto could see him coming...Not even the 3 shinobi watching the interaction from a distance could see Orochimaru coming
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Another feat is that he was able to traverse this Distance
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In very little time at all
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You used Sasuke avoiding Deidara's C2 mines as a feat for his shunsin correct? Oro has had a similar feat of speed when he avoided underground chakra arms from Naruto
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The fact that he started moving before they even exited the ground is an attribute to his Reactions.
He can also change his form into that of a snake which then increases his speed even more so
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Even blitzing the 4 Tails naruto
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Anyways Sasuke may be fast, but according to the DB and Even some feats, Oro is by no means comparatively slow
To be fair, the Databook scores aren't really something one can rely in a debate and I have noticed this. You see, both Sasuke and Deidara possess the same Databook speed score, however, even with that being true Sasuke still managed to surprise Deidara with his speed. [
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Anyways, your first point in Orochimaru's speed is solid, however, I wouldn't rely on that since none of those shinobi were aware of Orochimaru's presence and they were shocked because he suddenly appeared. They believed that Kabuto was the Akatsuki's spy and that he wouldn't be followed. They never expected Orochimaru to appear given Yamato's comment. [1] What makes those speed feats you shown less impressive is the fact that Orochimaru didn't just blitz and keep up with them while they were aware of his presence. Unlike like with Sasuke who just blitzes his opponents without any sneak attacks, Orochimaru was sneaking up on them. Otherwise, we could state that Kakashi blitzed Kakuzu [
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] when clearly Kakuzu was the one blitzing Kakashi. [
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] As for Kabuto, he wasn't really shocked. Orochimaru and Kabuto planned to take down Hiruko by fooling Sasori [
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Unlike Orochimaru, in all of the scans of Sasuke's Shunshin feats, the enemy was completely aware of his presence and they were focused on him. He even managed to blitz Deidara [
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] and how he was capable of keeping up with the whole Team Gai. [
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] Sure, Orochimaru could potentially react to a few of Sasuke's first blitzes, but sooner or later he will just get overwhelmed by Sasuke's speed just like Deidara did so he had to fly off by increasing the power of his bombs. [
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] 'His movements are definitely too fast' as stated by Deidara himself. Unfortunately for Orochimaru, he does not possess the ability to fly.
Moving on. Your second point about Orochimaru's speed, well, I wouldn't rely on it considering that there were like five full manga pages before Orochimaru appeared back to the battlefield. Page 6 [
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] Plus there was a flashback so we can't come to a conclusion as how much time Orochimaru needed to come back. Also in that battle as I stated, Orochimaru was blitzed by Naruto's speed [
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] which is far inferior to Sasuke's considering that we could actually see him covering the distance on panel [
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] unlike with Sasuke who just suddenly appears in front of the enemy in a flash.
As for your Kyūbi points, not bad, however, Orochimaru managed to avoid the hands from underground due to the fact that he saw the Kyūbi tear throught the ground and put his hands underground. [
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] 'SFX:Hands go underground', Orochimaru: '!'. Hence why he started to move before the hands even came out. And in your second point, Orochimaru didn't really blitz him considering that if you look at the scan, you can see that Kyūbi's hands were stuck underground so he couldn't really move much. [
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These speed feats of Orochimaru's in no way outclass Deidara's Shunshin and Sasuke has already shown to be way faster than Deidara so Orochimaru will get overwhelmed by his speed.
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Now I'll be merely adding more examples of Sasuke's Shunshin that I forgot to add. In addition to the previous Shunshin feats I've shown, Sasuke has these as well;
→ 8] You can see that Sasuke's head is almost as big as Sakura even though he is running. [
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] Both Sasuke and Naruto, who is in his Kyūbi Chakura Mōdo, are running towards Sakura to quickly reach her and then Sasuke suddenly appears next to her before Naruto does and Sakura is shocked given her '!'.
→ 9] Naruto is falling and Sasuke is no where in sight [Top panel] while Obito is trying to hit Naruto [
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], shocking him. And then suddenly out of no where, Sasuke appears and uses Susano'o to protect Naruto which in return shocked the latter. [
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→ 10] Sasuke and Itachi are on the other side of the cave, holding Kabuto's snakes. [
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→ 11] Sasuke is standing and the Samurai are a few meters in front of him. [
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→ 12] Suigetsu and Juugo are a meter [Maybe less] from each other and are about to make their attack [
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Will Orochimaru be capable of keeping up with Sasuke? No, definitely not. Even the so called speed feats you shown are nothing compared to Sasuke's own considering that Sasuke has shown the ability to keep up with even people like Naruto. There is no way that Orochimaru is capable of keeping up with Naruto. The speed feats you shown are most likely on Deidara's level and do I need to remind you once again that Sasuke already surprised Deidara with his speed. Orochimaru could possibly react and defend from the first few blitzes, but eventually he will get overwhelmed.
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Oro's CQC Skills
First off something i had to point out is that you seem to think this
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Is the jutsu known as Striking Shadow Snakes, when actually its a paralysis Jutsu
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. Don't bother trying to say it would work on Oro because you realize where all these jutsu that Sasuke utilizes came from right? ...Oro himself, so its foolish too think he wouldn't be able to counter it. So while Oro can be attributed to using Shadow snakes with extreme precision
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He was fast enough to catch the speeding Chakra hand before it crushed him, Which means it should be able to intercept Sasuke as well..And impede any incoming speed Blitzes. Now Oro may be arm-less however he can still utilize his Kusunagi.
Not only can he use it but he can launch it at great speeds at his opponents
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This can come in great use when Sasuke is trying to overcome Oro in CQC... However Since you made this Armless oro he would most likely want to stay away from Sasuke. And use Ranged attacks
Another way Ororchimaru can keep his distance is by utilizing his tongue extension, which as evident in
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scan can be launched at high velocities,which means this can also be used to impede any of Sasuke's incomming speed blitzes that he would most likely try to achieve here
He also can use his head Extension here if needed but it is rather risky and most likely he would avoid it.
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Even when Sasuke gets Close To Orochimaru, Oro's sword skills are not to be overlooked
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He was able to fight on par with Hiruzen, when he was using Enma as a weapon none the less. And as i said, Shadow Snake's could really tilt the CQC battle in Oro's favor
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.Now i'm assuming when we decided armless we meant how he was going up against Naruto in Shippuden, so his arms can still function fairly well just not perform high level Jutsu. So if Sasuke were to deal a fatal blow to Orochimaru in a CQC situation, as we all know Oro can deal just fine with pain, if he even feels it at all
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All he would need to do is use Body Replacement Jutsu, and then IMMEDIATELY Use his Kusunagi's levitation prowess
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To Impale Sasuke who is unsuspectingly still impaling the old body of Orochimaru, obviously he would drop his sword as to allow this strategy to take place.
One last thing to point out here is that Sasuke mostly utilizes his Chidori too from sharp shapes that slash and pierce the opponent, First off if Sasuke stabbed Orochimaru With his Chidori Spear, or any variant of Chidori including his sword, know that its not doing much , Oro himself stated that a sword wound as big as Totska piercing right through him is futile and would barely hurt him
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So its laughable to think that a small wound such as Sasuke's sword or Chidori is going to halt him much...Now if he try's to slash Orochimaru with his sword/chidori i think we all know how that would end, He would merely connect himself back together with the use of his Snakes
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really in CQC there is not much Sasuke can do to put down Orochimaru, whereas it only takes one strike to connect, to finish Sasuke.
Interesting. Yes, it looks like I have confused that jutsu with the Sen'eijashu. My mistake. However, Sasuke has shown the ability to use the Sen'eijashu in his fight with Deidara. [
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] Anyways, you say how Jagei Jubaku won't work on Orochimaru since he made the jutsu so he should have a counter to it. Yes, that counter happens to be Orochimaru-Ryū no Kawarimi no Jutsu which would take a lot of Chakra from Orochimaru so that would only aid Sasuke. As for your Sen'eijashu point, no, it should not be capable of intercepting Sasuke's speed blitzes considering that unlike with the hand, we can't see Sasuke even make a move while we can see the hand actually travelling. [
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] Sasuke just suddenly appears somewhere where he wants. Furthermore, Sasuke can just use Chidori Nagashi to paralyze the snake. [
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] Not to mention that Sasuke will predict the snake's movements so there is absolutely no way that snake could catch him. [
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] Throwing the Kusanagi at Sasuke will not work either since it can be simply evaded just like Sasuke evaded Ēi's attack. [
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] Or it can be pushed back by Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi just like it pushed back Yamato's Mokuton. And if he just wishes to defend from it then he can make a snake envelope him. [
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The tongue extension tactic could help a little, but then again Sasuke is too fast for him and using tongue extension will just destroy his own Kusanagi considering that Sasuke will envelope his Kusanagi in Chidori and slice throught Orochimaru's own.
Anyways, Orochimaru's Sword skills and his snakes can't help him defend against Sasuke in CQC due to Sasuke's Chidori variants which can be used to simply cut throught Orochimaru's Kusanagi so he can't use it to defend himself or he can use Chidori Nagashi as soon as he gets close and paralyze both Orochimaru and his snakes. Not to mention that Sasuke's Taijutsu skills are far better as I have already shown. As for your Kusanagi levitating argument, actually, that won't work. Orochimaru can't trick Sasuke by shedding his skin and then using the Kusanagi levitation because Sasuke will be ahead of him at all times. You say that Sasuke would still be impaling Orochimaru's old body and that he won't expect it. However, Sasuke will not still be impaling Orochimaru's old body considering that he will predict Orochimaru's movement while he is getting out of his old body and also, the Sharingan can see Chakra so Sasuke will see a new body exiting out of Orochimaru's old body. [
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] As for the Kusanagi levitation itself, Orochimaru makes movements with his fingers [
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] which Sasuke will see due to the Sharingan just like he saw Deidara's hand sign [
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] and he will simply turn back and slice throught the Kusanagi with his own Chidori enveloped Kusanagi. Or he can simply defend himself with his wing. [
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] Anyways, you claim how Sasuke can't put down Orochimaru in CQC with simple slashes to his body? Oh, don't worry. Sasuke already knows this. That is exactly why Sasuke will aim for his head and throat. We have seen that Orochimaru cannot simply regenerate his neck or head and that is why he has to create a new body. [
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Countering Shackling Stakes shouldn't be too much of a problem, i realize he has fallen for this multiple times however the easy counter has just come to me, as seen here
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Oro is still able to move his body somewhat, so all he needs to do is slightly open his mouth, and use the body replacement technique
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This will not only release him from the genjutsu, as he would of created a new brain from this technique meaning that Sasuke's genjutsu chakra will no longer be clouding it, and it will also allow him to get a head start on Sasuke, as he can spew out of his mouth with rather great speeds
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I thank you for not utilizing Genjutsu much in your opener, and i will counter everything towards the 8 Branch technique at a later time.
I must say, this is an interesting point, however, are you certain that Orochimaru still won't be in a Genjutsu considering that he makes a new body out of his old one which is in a Genjutsu? Anyways, unfortunately for Orochimaru, Magen isn't the type of Genjutsu Sasuke uses. Magen usually paralyzes people and they are fully aware that they are in a Genjutsu just like in the Genjutsu scan you've shown. Sasuke uses a type of Genjutsu that makes see what they want to see just like it did with Deidara against both Itachi [
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For this i shall be Quote Countering you U_U As i find it easier
This is where you are wrong, the snakes can damage the Larger ones as a matter of fact, pretty severely as a matter of fact, each one of these snakes contain a Min-Kusunagi blade in their mouth
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, Now The Wiki tells me that they are Kusunagi blades, however you seem to always have acces to the Data Book, if it indeed says otherwise by all means let me know
So you see the Kusunagi is stated to pierce everything, so the swords should no doubt be able to pierce through the tough skin, now you may think that they would be toothpicks compared to Manda and Aoda, and you are correct however, they still have their poison fangs with them, so the Small wholes in the tough skin created by the blades would then allow the Snakes to bite into the Large snake as it would now be a soft area underneath the skin,transferring the poison into the snake, and if even 1/10 of the snakes are able to accomplish this, that is 1000 snakes, 1000 snake like portions of poison entering Manda/Aoda, would surly paralyze if not kill them
I guess you could say that the snakes could potentially damage Aoda and Manda, however, that is unlikely. Considering Aoda's and Manda's size, all they have to do is just swallow up the smaller snakes in one attack and kill them that way. [
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] And don't take that 'Kusanagi can pierce anything' stuff. It failed to pierce the Chakra cloak. [
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] And even if some snakes by some miracle manage to pierce Aoda or Manda, the poison will have to spread until they get paralyzed and considering the size of both Aoda and Manda, they have enough time to actually slaughter the snakes and attack Orochimaru as well. On a side note, either one of them could swallow Orochimaru and kill him that way.
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Anyways to prove that Hebi Sasuke is capable of using Kirin, well, Zetsu already did it for me. He stated that Sasuke gathered the thunder clouds by releasing a few Katons in the air [
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Also i don't see how you can use the fact that Deidara said Sasuke can fly...as concrete proof that he can. Deidara saw wings so he assumed he could fly.... He never saw Sasuke fly nor has it ever been proven in the manga, at best he can glide. However this means he would have to land in the giant pit of snakes eventually.
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You do realize that if Sasuke reacts to the underground attacks, the same way he reacted to Deidara's mines...He's dead? That is suicide, Oro's Kusunagi would then continue on up-wards surprising Sasuke I can imagine the face he would have as well as it clearly can extend in the air at great speeds and heights
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Also for some reason or another, Oro knows when a clone is a clone
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And wouldn't a snake clone help Orochimaru, he has control over snakes, they may even resort to his side, Orochimaru can also sense chakra
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, so he'd know where Sasuke is if he tries to hide and use the Hebi-clone as a distraction.
I agree about the clone part, good job, however I disagree with the underground attack being capable of hitting Sasuke. He was focused on Deidara and he didn't notice the bomb, but here he will be focused on Orochimaru and he will see him moving underground and he can counter it simply by moving away or by using Chidori Nagashi to paralyze Orochimaru as soon as he sees him coming up and then he can cut his head off. Not to mention that Sasuke evaded Ēi's attack so he won't have trouble evading this.
We agree'd to armless Orochimaru, not Sick and half-dead Orochimaru, He can use it plenty of times, and as i said, Sasuke's CQC attacks are not really going to force him to use that much anyways. AS well as the fact that Oro CAN handle Sasuke's speed just fine/
Actually no. These snakes aren't any different than the fodder Otogakure shinobi and Sasuke defeated countless of them. Sasuke should be capable of killing off these snakes even without Manda or Aoda. Especially considering that unlike the Shinobi, they are easier to kill.
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Sasuke's Shunshin Feats
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Concerning Mandara no Jin. While I must admit that Sasuke probably can't take them down on his own except for using Kirin due to the number of the snakes [
To be fair, the Databook scores aren't really something one can rely in a debate and I have noticed this. You see, both Sasuke and Deidara possess the same Databook speed score, however, even with that being true Sasuke still managed to surprise Deidara with his speed. [
Now I'll be merely adding more examples of Sasuke's Shunshin that I forgot to add. In addition to the previous Shunshin feats I've shown, Sasuke has these as well;
Interesting. Yes, it looks like I have confused that jutsu with the Sen'eijashu. My mistake. However, Sasuke has shown the ability to use the Sen'eijashu in his fight with Deidara. [
I guess you could say that the snakes could potentially damage Aoda and Manda, however, that is unlikely. Considering Aoda's and Manda's size, all they have to do is just swallow up the smaller snakes in one attack and kill them that way. [