Senju - uzumaki(otsotsuki) connection

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Actually I think the Ototsuki clan continued on as the ruling class. Why would the rulers of the land give it all up and become ninja?

Checked out my theory here:

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The Narutoverse's political structures are probably based on Japan's past political structures. They had an Imperial clan, some Noble clans, and the rest were normal clans. The daughter of any clan leader is referred to as an "oujo". The word princess is usually used to translate this. So, an oujo(princess) can be anything from the daughter of an emperor to the daughter of a dirt poor clan leader.

So, the fact that Kaguya was referred to as a "princess", isn't necessarily anything special. Which, in turn, means that the Ootsutsuki clan isn't necessarily noble or imperial either.

 

[Armathyx]

Explain yourself.

I don't need to explain myself, you're the one making assumptions based on someone else's assumptions, the burden of proof is on you.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

I don't need to explain myself, you're the one making assumptions based on someone else's assumptions, the burden of proof is on you.

I didn't base my assumptions on someone elses assumptions..

And i've explained my theory.. you just make a completely unfunded claim and say that that is unquestionable truth, you need to explain yourself or just shut up.

 

[Mr Hiru]

So i was reading Sir derps thread (this one:

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And i saw people talking about the uzumaki - senju connection thingy, one said the uzumaki were some offspring somewhere along time of the senju etc. and that otsotsuki tribe couldn't be uzumaki.. blabla..

but..

I will answer your questions about the uzumaki clan being mentioned with the senju clan..

The princess of the otsotsuki tribe was the mother of rikkudou right?

So rikkudou became king/prince of that tribe.. (the successor of his mother)

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Rikkudou chose the younger brother (senju ancestor) as his successor.. successor of what? Rikkudou doesn't decide what people individually think they should do he's a government thug, a king.
So as king of course.. the younger brother became the king/leader/whatever of the otsotsuki tribe and the older son left the tribe out of hate or whatever..

Just like hashirama became hokage and madara left, just like sasuke left etc.

So the younger son starting banging those otsotsuki chicks and from there the senju and uzumaki came from, something like that..

All ok, just one question... what makes you think Kaguya as a princess became queen, and what makes you think Hagoromo became the King?

 

[UnrealSoul]

All ok, just one question... what makes you think Kaguya as a princess became queen, and what makes you think Hagoromo became the King?

/thread

This is the end...

 

[Mr Hiru]

/thread

This is the end...

Not at all, I don't intend to break his theory. I'd like to understand his logic, since it seems intriguing, and we are all here to share different point of views.

 

[Armathyx]

I didn't base my assumptions on someone elses assumptions..

And i've explained my theory.. you just make a completely unfunded claim and say that that is unquestionable truth, you need to explain yourself or just shut up.

Your theory is based on the assumption that the Uzumakis are ex-Ootsutsukis, which they are not. It's an assumption based on another, false . In other terms, this whole theory has 0% value.

Again, I have nothing to explain, you're the one being criticised here.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

bad choice of words of me..

Give back my +repu

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I'm joking

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

All ok, just one question... what makes you think Kaguya as a princess became queen, and what makes you think Hagoromo became the King?

It's an assumption..

Do you think the title of king/queen/prince/princess/leader/whatever of otsotsuki dissapeared after she ate the fruit?

Rikkudou made the younger brother his successor.. successor of what?

And it is a nice parralel with hashirama and madara.

 

[Mr Hiru]

It's an assumption..

Do you think the title of king/queen/prince/princess/leader/whatever of otsotsuki dissapeared after she ate the fruit?

Rikkudou made the younger brother his successor.. successor of what?

And it is a nice parralel with hashirama and madara.

a) I noted it was an assumption. All theories are based on some assumption. But my question is 'what makes you think she became queen'.

b) I doubt the title dissappeared, and actually it sounds logical she became the queen under the assumption that she was an only child, or the eldest one in the case she had sisters/brothers.

You state that the Younger Son of the Sage became the king/leader of this Tribe, but... are you sure what he inherited from Hagoromo was the Leadership of the Ootsutsuki Tribe (under the assumption that Hagoromo became the leader of this Tribe at one point)?

c) As far as I know, the Younger son became the succesor of his will to find peace.

d) I don't get what's the relationship between Hagoromo and the parallel, since it was not him but their sons the base of the parallel of yin and yang. My question is about Kaguya and Hagoromo, not his sons.

Anyways, as I said before... there exist a traceable logic that brings to that conclusion, so it is possible. You need to explicit more assumptions in order to reach it, and some evidence supporting these assumptions if possible.

 

[Armathyx]

I liked these forums when they were lively and full of good discussions, now it's just these crappy "theories" that shut down as soon as they're disproven entirely.

 

[Amantius]

Thought he was trolling for a moment with this thread.

 

[Honord Sage]

Fact the Elder Bother challenge the Younger Bothers succession a War brook out and Nether one and the left for the Fire Country to expand their power Base and fight over and over as Uchiha and Senju,the ones that stayed Behind that did not support the elder or Younger son must be the ones who ended up calling themselves Uzumaki. That would seem a logical explanation each Relative over time stated to call themselves Uchiha,Senju and Uzumaki. The SO6P had two Sons, but He can still have Bothers and Sisters the Ants And Uncles to the Two Boys and they could be the Uzumaki.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Fact the Elder Bother challenge the Younger Bothers succession a War brook out and Nether one and the left for the Fire Country to expand their power Base and fight over and over as Uchiha and Senju,the ones that stayed Behind that did not support the elder or Younger son must be the ones who ended up calling themselves Uzumaki. That would seem a logical explanation each Relative over time stated to call themselves Uchiha,Senju and Uzumaki. The SO6P had two Sons, but He can still have Bothers and Sisters the Ants And Uncles to the Two Boys and they could be the Uzumaki.

That's a good possibility too.

 

[Rchan81]

Fact the Elder Bother challenge the Younger Bothers succession a War brook out and Nether one and the left for the Fire Country to expand their power Base and fight over and over as Uchiha and Senju,the ones that stayed Behind that did not support the elder or Younger son must be the ones who ended up calling themselves Uzumaki. That would seem a logical explanation each Relative over time stated to call themselves Uchiha,Senju and Uzumaki. The SO6P had two Sons, but He can still have Bothers and Sisters the Ants And Uncles to the Two Boys and they could be the Uzumaki.

I could never understand anything you post.

 

[Honord Sage]

I could never understand anything you post.

You don't understand genealogy? What do they tech in school today?