kotoamatsukami
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Lol hashirama would just use sage art: gate of the great god, then itachi is not going anywhere just like the rest of kabuto summons.
hashirama is automatically second strongest without a debate.
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Not even close! If you start by your self and with a blood contract summon a frog/turtle/monkey/slug/snake/ninja then its fair game. Simple as that. You and others can choose to make up BullS.H.I.T to make you feel better all you would like. But its Manga and databook Fact it is a JUTSU. And in a Fight,
JUTSU ARE ALLOWED NO MATTER HOW BROKEN OR UNFAIR THEY ARE! unless stated otherwise in restrictions
This is the reason I can't take most of you users serious because you make no sense and pull BS to make you think you are right.
Madara was only able to do the seal because he regained controll of his body after itachi put kabuto in Genjutsu and forced him to release Edo tensei which freed them from his will (such as Dan going to save tsunade).
markdabomb22
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kotoamatsukami
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I'm just saying without madara in his arsonal he loses to hashirama...all his other summons mean nothing in the face of hashirama he's god an they are regular ninja.
kotoamatsukami
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Lol like I said to someone else once those coffins come up he will use "sage art:great gates of god" and hold them in place easily...hashirama is god to those normal people...and his statue would get rid of all them won't give them time to really form no jutsu at all.
NarutoIndra
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Izanami is made for people
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; Hashirama doesn't run away from his destiny. For example, in Kabuto's case, he was trying to be someone else, but if he were to accept his destiny and be himself, then the izanami ends. Thus this jutsu does not work against Hashirama.
illidanson
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kotoamatsukami
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Lol izanami was for those who used izanagi and could not accept their fate that why it worked on kabuto he was trying to be someone else (orochimaru) and was not accepting his own fate all you have to do inorder to brake out is to accept your fate..I thought you would know this...meaning that genjutsu would have no effect on the 1st hokage.
NarutoIndra
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Would love to see an argument evidently showing Nagato can beat Hashirama. There is absolutely no way, Nagato can defeat Hashirama. Edo Madara also has a decent chance in losing to Edo-Hashirama.
Onetimepost2
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the biggest thing ALIVE minato sApcee time teleported was A tailed beast bomb and hashirama ctches those things like a baseball....and Shinsuusenju is a 1000 times bigger than anything minato has ever seen....hes not teleporting it....get real minato fanboys
NarutoIndra
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Opinionated that Edo Madara would beat Edo Hashirama. I personally believe Hashirama has a slight chance in winning if he were to have a sealing juts, but clearly I cannot elaborate who would conlcude the fight as the victor, as neither of them have sealing jutsu's.
However, if you want a debate about Nagato being weaker/stronger then Hashirama, I don't mind.
Hashirama can destroy him with shinsusenju, which utilises sage mode. Sage mode will not allow preta path to absorb any of his abilities during its use, as absorbing a lot of Senjutsu will turn Nagato to
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.Preta path is useless in this fight, as Sage mode can be applied to every mokuton jutsu to amplify it in addition to make it a risk of turning into stone for the Preta path.
Nagato has not proved his chakra to be very substantial, or even comparable with Hashirama, whereas Hashirama has illustrated
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to be enough to provide chakra for the
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shinobi alliance, in addition to evidently proving to be able to continuously fight for
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straight against a notable opponent such as Madara.Hashirama's Mukoton isn't going to be affected by any variable in this fight, as Preta path won't work when Senjutsu is being used due to the risk it carries, and Katon won't be a variable as he hasn't shown any Katon Jutsu. Mastering an element isn't the same as mastering a technique, and as this is a debate Nagato needs Katon feats in order to use it, which he has not shown. By this speculation Hashirama would counter the Katon with his Suiton (which he hasn't shown any feats for) since he has this element, and combines it with Doton to form his Mukoton.
The only thing at this point that Nagato would have to affect Hashirama would be his OP moves, which are Chibaku tensei and the Gedo Mazo. These aren't really a problem for Hashirama, as Hashirama can easily lock down the Gedo Mazo with Senpō: Myōjinmon, which was capable of locking the
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. Juubi=Gedo with all the Taile beats, hence the power difference. If Chibaku Tensei is used, than Hashirama can simply use Shinsusenju, which most definitely has the power necessary to break away from the Chibaku Tensei. 8 Tailed Naruto
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from Chibaku tensei with strength alone. Notice how 8 Tailed Naruto needed to use his entire body to escape the Chibaku Tensei, and this is 50% Kurama without unleashing his 9th tail. Now, imaging the 100% Kurama with his 9th tail, using all his body and still losing a fight of strength against the Shinsusenju's hand alone. This concludes that Shinsusenju is barely affected by Chibaku Tensei, due to its size and brute strength.I really don't understand how you can say Nagato wins.
First of all, knowing Hashirama's fighting style, he isn't going to start with SM right away. Hashirama usually fights in his base, so that means shinsuusenju will only come out if Nagato pushes him to his limits.
Nagato's chakra levels are by far can compete with kyuubi chakra. Nagato's chakra feats:
-can supply 6 bodies with chakra for more 3 days
-his large scale techniques that are size of even konoha
-the fact that he outlasted most of konoha shinobi, SM Naruto when he is even using more chakra than them
-still had enough to revive them
i would like to point out that these are feats from old skinny nagato. Young nagato would have no chakra problem at all.
Hashirama also needs SM to increase 30% of his chakra. So Nagato's chakra is either on par if not larger going by feats.
Like i said above, knowing Hashirama, he fights in his base shown against EMS Madara and kyuubi. However preta path can still absorb mokuton. Mokuton is still nature transformation and that means it has chakra through them. Even if they had SM, they're going to get absorbed because they contain fraction of SM. Nagato absorbed full SM.
We already know that if Hashirama drops the gates, that means he has to stand still restraining GM and that will lead to his defeat because Nagato can move to him and finish him off.
I prefer if we discuss this in the VS forum because it would be considered as spam.
