[Theory] How the Ōtsutsuki Tribe Became The Uzumaki Clan

[Rchan81]

No, it is your understanding that is faulty. Full blooded Uzumakis all have red hair then suddenly their "sibling clan" the Senjus have different hair colors, and yet they descended from the same apical ancestor aka the Younger Son ? ridiculous Lol

And it's clearly stated and specified that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis:

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And if they descended from the same ancestor, their two clans would be sibling clans which makes them close relatives, not distant relatives, same thing with being an off-shoot of the Senju.

So stop making excuses because the Uzumakis did not descend from the Younger Son.

I never argued the Uzumaki to be descended from the Youger son/Senju line, get your facts straight. Just proving your logic is faulted. Yet you choose to ignore that fact. I'll say this again, there is no discussion with you, because you can only see what you see. "No room for doubt...."

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Having blonde hair is also a recessive gene. Yet somehow we have Tsunade a Senju with blonde hair.

Red is by far more recessive (the most recessive hair color) , look at Naruto, yellow because of Minato despite Kushina's red hair.

Blond is recessive. Red is not recessive at all, it is 'incomplete dominant' (which means it mixes with anything else). Black and brown are dominant.

To be born with red hair requires one to inherit two red hair genes from both parents. Which means red should statistically be the rarest hair color.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Ask your selves what were the Names of the First and Second Sons? Suppose the elder Sons first Name was Uchiha and the Youngest was call Senju. When they separated from each other and their Fathers believes the Elder Son decedents at first call themselves the Children's of Uchiha and the Younger Sons the Children's of Senju over the it was simply shorten to Uchiha and Senju,those who stayed to follow the original teachings of the SO6P might have call themselves Uzumaki from the Guy that keep following the original teachings. Remember both Senju and Uchiha only took some of the teachings of the Sage not all of it.

Yes Exactly Lol

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Oh I'm sorry, did you perchance not notice that the Shinju is one gigantic Mokuton Tree? Lol

Mokuton tree? your making wild assumptions...and assumptions are the mother of all f*ckups. Where in the manga does it state that, that is a Mokuton tree?

And here I was thinking it was called the "god tree".

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Mokuton tree? your making wild assumptions...and assumptions are the mother of all f*ckups. Where in the manga does it state that, that is a Mokuton tree?

And here I was thinking it was called the "god tree".

And mindblindness is the source of all erroneous beliefs. Lol

The last time I checked, the Shinju and Mokuton both suppresses/absorbs Chakra:

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[Sarutobi Sasuke]

And mindblindness is the source of all erroneous beliefs. Lol

The last time I checked, the Shinju and Mokuton both suppresses/absorbs Chakra:

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Mokuton does not absorb chakra...I think. A Mokuton jutsu called the "Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands" is used suppresses Tailed beasts.

The only exception is White Zetsu using the chakra (most likely physical energy, aka Yang or stamina) of his hosts to grow as seen at the Kage summit.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Oh, and did I forget to mention that the Shinju created those Mokuton constructs like Hashirama's

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I dont think this is true simply for plot reasons

 

[BlacLord™]

No, it is your understanding that is faulty. Full blooded Uzumakis all have red hair then suddenly their "sibling clan" the Senjus have different hair colors, and yet they descended from the same apical ancestor aka the Younger Son? Improbable and ridiculous Lol

And it's clearly stated and specified that the descendants of the Younger Son were the Senjus only, not Senjus and Uzumakis:

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And if they descended from the same ancestor, their two clans would be sibling clans which makes them close relatives, not distant relatives, same thing with being an off-shoot of the Senju.

So please stop making excuses because the Uzumakis did not descend from the Younger Son.

That doesn't mean anything.

I could say I have a son but not mention that he has a son too, does that automatically mean I have no grandchild? Besides, it doesn't explicitly state Senju only as that would be fallacious. Besides, Tsunade is part Uzumaki anyway, you know, with her mother or father being half Senju and half Uzumaki,

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

That doesn't mean anything.

I could say I have a son but not mention that he has a son too, does that automatically mean I have no grandchild?

Conjecture, and implausible, unless of course you're saying Kishimoto suddenly had selective amnesia when he forgot to mention the Uzumakis.

Also, making the Uzumakis a descendant of the Senjus makes them even closer blood relatives, not distant blood relatives like Kushina stated.

So ultimately arguing that the Uzumakis descended from the Younger Son or the Senjus is a self-defeating argument because it is false.

 

[BlacLord™]

Conjecture, and implausible, unless of course you're saying Kishimoto suddenly had selective amnesia when he forgot to mention the Uzumakis.

Also, making the Uzumakis a descendant of the Senjus makes them even closer blood relatives, not distant blood relatives like Kushina stated.

So ultimately arguing that the Uzumakis descended from the Younger Son or the Senjus is a self-defeating argument because it is false.

And your theory is based upon what? The exact same.

He didn't, he mentioned them being distantly related chapters ago.

How so? I could be a descendant of Henry I, does that make me a close relative?

More conjecture on your part. It's easily feasible and has been stated as such.

Your efforts have been valiant but now it's time to call closure.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Conjecture, and implausible, unless of course you're saying Kishimoto suddenly had selective amnesia when he forgot to mention the Uzumakis.

Also, making the Uzumakis a descendant of the Senjus makes them even closer blood relatives, not distant blood relatives like Kushina stated.

Most people hypothesize that the Uzumaki are descendants of earlier ancestors of the Senju. Sort of like a father-son relationship. But, if the Uzumaki is merely the Ootsutsuki clan becoming the Uzumaki, then wouldn't that just reverse the relationship? Wouldn't that mean that the Senju are now the descendants of earlier ancestors of the Uzumaki (i.e. Ootsutsuki)? The father becomes the son and the son becomes the father. So, we still have a father-son relationship. That is still a close blood relation, by your own definition.

I personally believe that the number of generations that have come and gone since the Uzumaki branched off is what determines whether their relations are close or distant. Close means their separated by a few generations and distant means that they've been separated for many generations.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

And your theory is based upon what? The exact same.

He didn't, he mentioned them being distantly related chapters ago.

How so? I could be a descendant of Henry I, does that make me a close relative?

More conjecture on your part. It's easily feasible and has been stated as such.

Your efforts have been valiant but now it's time to call closure.

You are making a categorical error by applying individual blood ties with holistic family blood ties, the coefficient of blood relationships in Genealogy states that holistically two clans/families descending from the same apical ancestor are close blood relatives, and an off-shoot clan would even make their consanguinity even more approximate, so the Uzumakis can never be a descendant of the Younger Son or an off-shoot of the Senjus because they are holistically only distant blood relatives.

My efforts are to uncover the truth of the Manga, closure are only for those who admit error, because I do not for I work with logic and deduction.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Oh, and did I forget to mention that the Shinju created those Mokuton constructs like Hashirama's

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This is pretty damn convincing. I've been swayed a little bit, but it is still an assumption. And it still doesn't fulfill my request of showing where in the manga it states that the Ootsutsuki clan had red hair.

 

[Bronze]

Even though i posted the biggest proof that soloed this theory and derp doesn't reply. I think i know why:snick:

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Even though i posted the biggest proof that soloed this theory and derp doesn't reply. I think i know why:snick:

I have already told you that the two bloodlines in one person in Rikudou came from the Juubi when he became its Jinchuuriki, Yin is the Uchiha and Yang is the Senju, of course you don't accept my explanation so we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Sorry derp but latest chapter makes this theory debunked and here it is:

I'm sorry Madara. Though I don't completely agree with the pointed statements of this theory, I have to tell you're a bit mislead about your debunking.

This theory doesn't state that the Sage was Uzumaki, this theory states that his Tribe was the one who became the Uzumaki.

 

[Bronze]

I have already told you that the two bloodlines in one person in Rikudou came from the Juubi when he became its Jinchuuriki, Yin is the Uchiha and Yang is the Senju, of course you don't accept my explanation so we will have to agree to disagree.

Rkudou Sennin had always possessed the Juubi's power within him. He inherited the cells of uchiha and senju as well as rinnegan. You just made something up that manga doesn't coincide with.

I'm sorry Madara. Though I don't completely agree with the pointed statements of this theory, I have to tell you're a bit mislead about your debunking.

This theory doesn't state that the Sage was Uzumaki, this theory states that his Tribe was the one who became the Uzumaki.

And what's your point?:|

I have mentioned that tribe derp was talking about. This theory will end up just like his Uzumaki theory. Stupidity and speculation no offence derp.

SO6P only tribe became the uchiha and senju through his children {manga fact}.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Rkudou Sennin had always possessed the Juubi's power within him. He inherited the cells of uchiha and senju as well as rinnegan. You just made something up that manga doesn't coincide with.

The Uzumaki Clan had to come from somewhere, and we have to agree chakra itself came from the Juubi. Sir Derp Obito's theory might or might not be true. But it's still possible until proven wrong.

For starters, there is not theory or prediction that coincides with the manga. And when they coincide, these theories become fact.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Rkudou Sennin had always possessed the Juubi's power within him. He inherited the cells of uchiha and senju as well as rinnegan. You just made something up that manga doesn't coincide with.

He acquired a part of his mother's power/chakra through the fruit, the Godly powers of Rikudou were acquired when he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki:

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