Reaper Death seal Problems.!!

[-Best-]

1.In The First half we saw Hiruzen sealing both shodaime and nindaime hokage's using the reaper death seal.!! even Orochimaru's Hands.!!

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2.In Shippuden we saw Minato sealing half of the Kurama inside him using the same jutsu..​

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The thing is..How come the first , the second and orochimaru's hand which were sealed within hiruzen were released(released in the sense that when the death seal was released by orochimaru and he summoned the previous hokages...kurama should have been free like those four why is it sealed inside minato) and the kurama which was sealed inside Minato is alone kept sealed inside him and is not released..how come??
anybody?

Its also Impossible for minato the seal the kurama again inside him when he's dead...Is it a loop hole in the death seal technique??​

 

[The Sach]

Nup, it isn't plot hole..RDS basically separates Yin and Yang from a creature, using 'unusual spectral entity' called as 'Shinigami'.

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In first case, Hiruzen basically sealed Tobirama, Hiruzen and Orochimaru's Yin parts inside the shinigami along with his own Yin part(spiritual part, to be more precise), but problem there was it was 'small in quantity', as compare to Kurama which itself is mass of chakra and has higher amount Yin content in it.
In second case, when Minato sealed it, he sealed himself along with the Yin chakra of Kurama, but Kurama being greater in the quantity needed someone's Yang portion to compensate his Yin portion, and hence first Kurama got sealed inside Minato, and then both of them were consumed by shinigami, and that's how Minato became Kurama jinchuriki...:yeah:

 

[chopstickchakra]

I said the same thing in defense of why Minato should not have had Kurama chakra, Minato apparently did a different version than Hiruzen used though that was never explained or even mentioned. The only logical counter point is that Minato knew an Uzumaki distinction in the RDS from Kushina that Hiruzen did not know. I think Kishi has forgotten a lot of what he wrote in part 1 to allow for things in part 2, this is not his first retcon(previous examples include changing Kekkei Genkai from blood limits like Sharingan/Byakugan/Ice jutsu"Where the change began" into a combination of two nature elements. Ice went from being something Haku's clan only being able to perform to the combination of wind and water nature)

 

[-Best-]

Nup, it isn't plot hole..RDS basically separates Yin and Yang from a creature, using 'unusual spectral entity' called as 'Shinigami'.

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In first case, Hiruzen basically sealed Tobirama, Hiruzen and Orochimaru's Yin parts inside the shinigami along with his own Yin part(spiritual part, to be more precise), but problem there was it was 'small in quantity', as compare to Kurama which itself is mass of chakra and has higher amount Yin content in it.
In second case, when Minato sealed it, he sealed himself along with the Yin chakra of Kurama, but Kurama being greater in the quantity needed someone's Yang portion to compensate his Yin portion, and hence first Kurama got sealed inside Minato, and then both of them were consumed by shinigami, and that's how Minato became Kurama jinchuriki...:yeah:

But none of these were explained...and also its just some hypothesis you are suggesting i guess..and also it doesnt explain how minato got control over kyubbi chakra!!

I said the same thing in defense of why Minato should not have had Kurama chakra, Minato apparently did a different version than Hiruzen used though that was never explained or even mentioned. The only logical counter point is that Minato knew an Uzumaki distinction in the RDS from Kushina that Hiruzen did not know. I think Kishi has forgotten a lot of what he wrote in part 1 to allow for things in part 2, this is not his first retcon(previous examples include changing Kekkei Genkai from blood limits like Sharingan/Byakugan/Ice jutsu"Where the change began" into a combination of two nature elements. Ice went from being something Haku's clan only being able to perform to the combination of wind and water nature)

precisely thats what i am also saying...the death seal is totaly unexplained..i other words loop hole.!!

 

[The Sach]

But none of these were explained...and also its just some hypothesis you are suggesting i guess..and also it doesnt explain how minato got control over kyubbi chakra!!



precisely thats what i am also saying...the death seal is totaly unexplained..i other words loop hole.!!

That wasn't hypothesis, I think I did provided scans, OK, I will explain it again, using chapter 503-504,
1. Minato said that he will use dead demon seal and will seal half of Kurama's chakra along with him,using RDS,and then use 8-trigrams seal.

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2. Minato started off with RDS.

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3. Here Minato activated RDS and took Yin half of kurama along with him.

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4. He is done with sealing half of Kurama's chakra, but point to note here is 'lower right panel', a seal is appeared on Minato's chest, and not on shinigami, in short chakra got first sealed in Minato and then both were consumed by Shinigami.

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5. And then Minato introduced eight triagrams seal using ceremonial throne, as mentioned by Kurama..

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So point note here is first Yin Kurama went to Minato and then they were consumed by shinigami, at that point time since Yin Kurama, had large amount of Yin portion he used Minato's Yang to find stability and Minato became Kurama jin.Same thing didn't happen with Hiruzen, since Hashi+Tobi+Oro's Yin was less, and they can be recombined using small amount of Yang as compared to Kurama..:yeah:

 

[-Best-]

That wasn't hypothesis, I think I did provided scans, OK, I will explain it again, using chapter 503-504,
1. Minato said that he will use dead demon seal and will seal half of Kurama's chakra along with him,using RDS,and then use 8-trigrams seal.

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2. Minato started off with RDS.

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3. Here Minato activated RDS and took Yin half of kurama along with him.

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4. He is done with sealing half of Kurama's chakra, but point to note here is 'lower right panel', a seal is appeared on Minato's chest, and not on shinigami, in short chakra got first sealed in Minato and then both were consumed by Shinigami.

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5. And then Minato introduced eight triagrams seal using ceremonial throne, as mentioned by Kurama..

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So point note here is first Yin Kurama went to Minato and then they were consumed by shinigami, at that point time since Yin Kurama, had large amount of Yin portion he used Minato's Yang to find stability and Minato became Kurama jin.Same thing didn't happen with Hiruzen, since Hashi+Tobi+Oro's Yin was less, and they can be recombined using small amount of Yang as compared to Kurama..:yeah:

But the same kind of sealing also appeared on hiruzens body after the reaper death seal...

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ur explanation can be maked up to hiruzen too...

 

[roncato]

Nup, it isn't plot hole..RDS basically separates Yin and Yang from a creature, using 'unusual spectral entity' called as 'Shinigami'.

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In first case, Hiruzen basically sealed Tobirama, Hiruzen and Orochimaru's Yin parts inside the shinigami along with his own Yin part(spiritual part, to be more precise), but problem there was it was 'small in quantity', as compare to Kurama which itself is mass of chakra and has higher amount Yin content in it.
In second case, when Minato sealed it, he sealed himself along with the Yin chakra of Kurama, but Kurama being greater in the quantity needed someone's Yang portion to compensate his Yin portion, and hence first Kurama got sealed inside Minato, and then both of them were consumed by shinigami, and that's how Minato became Kurama jinchuriki...:yeah:

He explained it all consistently...

 

[-ahhimane-]

Minato sealed the Kurama into himself and then got sealed into Demon's belly.
Conclusion : There's no Plot Hole

 

[chopstickchakra]

That wasn't hypothesis, I think I did provided scans, OK, I will explain it again, using chapter 503-504,
1. Minato said that he will use dead demon seal and will seal half of Kurama's chakra along with him,using RDS,and then use 8-trigrams seal.

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2. Minato started off with RDS.

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3. Here Minato activated RDS and took Yin half of kurama along with him.

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4. He is done with sealing half of Kurama's chakra, but point to note here is 'lower right panel', a seal is appeared on Minato's chest, and not on shinigami, in short chakra got first sealed in Minato and then both were consumed by Shinigami.

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5. And then Minato introduced eight triagrams seal using ceremonial throne, as mentioned by Kurama..

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So point note here is first Yin Kurama went to Minato and then they were consumed by shinigami, at that point time since Yin Kurama, had large amount of Yin portion he used Minato's Yang to find stability and Minato became Kurama jin.Same thing didn't happen with Hiruzen, since Hashi+Tobi+Oro's Yin was less, and they can be recombined using small amount of Yang as compared to Kurama..:yeah:

But the exact same process occurred when Hiruzen RDS'd the Hokages and Orochimaru. They were pulled into his body which was then pulled into the Shinigami. The OP is asking mainly(from what I understand) "Why were the results so different when the processes were virtually the same?"

 

[The Sach]

But the same kind of sealing also appeared on hiruzens body after the reaper death seal...

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ur explanation can be maked up to hiruzen too...

But the exact same process occurred when Hiruzen RDS'd the Hokages and Orochimaru. They were pulled into his body which was then pulled into the Shinigami. The OP is asking mainly(from what I understand) "Why were the results so different when the processes were virtually the same?"

Quantity of Yin is my answer friend, as I said in my first post...

 

[SharinganisOP]

My guess is that it has something to do with hashi and tobirama being eaten seperately while the kyuubi was likely eaten while connected to Minato's spirit form.

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That shows Hashirama and Tobirama being eaten seperately. Orochimaru's arms are never shown to be cut away from Hiruzen's spirit form, but I'm going to guess that's what happened since that is what the reaper did with hashirama and Tobirama.

Minato being more skilled with seals and with the reaper death seal specifically is also likely a factor. Notice how Hiruzen had to be holding onto the person in order to use the reaper death seal (as shown by the need to grab Orochimaru, even after the darkness). Minato was able to use a ranged version on the Kyuubi, showing that Minato is more skilled with it than Hiruzen.

Another possibillity is that when he performed the eight trigrams seal on Naruto, he may have inadvertently sealed the kyuubi inside himself with the eight trigrams seal. It's also possible that Minato did a completely seperate eight trigrams seal on himself.

Not enough stuff is shown, so I can't say for certain on any of these, but they are theories and at least one of them is more likely to be true than there being a loophole in a crucial character's massive growth in strength. This is in my opinion though, don't take it hurtfully.

 

[esenn1]

Minato sealed the Kurama into himself and then got sealed into Demon's belly.
Conclusion : There's no Plot Hole

exactly this. I don't get what your problem is dude! Kurama and Minato have not been sealed separately from each other. Minato seald kurama in himself and Kurama-having Minato was sealed into the Death Reaper. Just like two spoilers like this:

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DEATH REAPER

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MINATO

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KURAMA

 

[-Best-]

Quantity of Yin is my answer friend, as I said in my first post...

but as i said it wasnt explained in manga...thats the thing i know you are too exceptional in theories..But thats just a hypothesis which explains it well enough..

exactly this. I don't get what your problem is dude! Kurama and Minato have not been sealed separately from each other. Minato seald kurama in himself and Kurama-having Minato was sealed into the Death Reaper. Just like two spoilers like this:

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DEATH REAPER

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MINATO

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KURAMA

for god's sake that was the exact thing which happened with hiruzen too..

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DEATH REAPER

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Hiruzen

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hashi,tobi and oro hands

 

[Jaded210]

I think just in general since it was absorbed by Minato that he was able to keep some chakra in him. Kinda same way kinkaku and ginkaku were able to transform to v2.

 

[Xāvî1]

1.In The First half we saw Hiruzen sealing both shodaime and nindaime hokage's using the reaper death seal.!! even Orochimaru's Hands.!!

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2.In Shippuden we saw Minato sealing half of the Kurama inside him using the same jutsu..​

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The thing is..How come the first , the second and orochimaru's hand which were sealed within hiruzen were released(released in the sense that when the death seal was released by orochimaru and he summoned the previous hokages...kurama should have been free like those four why is it sealed inside minato) and the kurama which was sealed inside Minato is alone kept sealed inside him and is not released..how come??
anybody?

Its also Impossible for minato the seal the kurama again inside him when he's dead...Is it a loop hole in the death seal technique??​

Hiruzen sealed first and second using the reaper dead seal. But minato used it to become the jin and also make naruto into a jin

 

[-Best-]

Hiruzen sealed first and second using the reaper dead seal. But minato used it to become the jin and also make naruto into a jin

are you really serious or what..??

I think just in general since it was absorbed by Minato that he was able to keep some chakra in him. Kinda same way kinkaku and ginkaku were able to transform to v2.

actually the kinkaku, ginkaku case is entirely different they consumed raw chakra...not like in this case..and also it didnt explain how minato was able to control the kyubbi chakra!!!

 

[Siva Deepan]

Minato first made himself into kyubbi jinchuruki. later he sealed his soul into dead god. i dont think it is a plot hole

 

[Chīkara]

Hiruzen used kagebunshins.

 

[Kush sage]

It's because it was only kurama's yin chakra that was sealed in RDS. If Minato was able 2 seal all of kurama then he might of been outside of Minato.

 

[-Best-]

Minato first made himself into kyubbi jinchuruki. later he sealed his soul into dead god. i dont think it is a plot hole

"I will seal half of it with the RDS"-This was his exact point...Hiruzen did the same with hashi and Tobi..RDS is not a sealing jutsu to seal a bijju inside someone's body..

Hiruzen used kagebunshins.

What role does kagebunshin have here??

It's because it was only kurama's yin chakra that was sealed in RDS. If Minato was able 2 seal all of kurama then he might of been outside of Minato.

Doesnt make's sense..either yin or yang it is sealed with RDS so when RDS seal is broken it should be out free..not sealed inside minato.!