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Claims: Anyone with decent reading comprehension would realize that they were in close combat during the off paneled time period.
Then Claims: So you're telling me that Hashirama, who needed Shinsuusenju to disable Perfect Susanoo, is going to survive a prolonged battle with it and then eventually defeat Madara w/o the use of Shinsuusenju or any of his Mokuton Constructs? Again, you can't even be serious with this nonsense.
Then claims: Don't tell me he used them when he clearly left them behind.
You're contradicting yourself. Prior to his battle with Shodai at the valley, Madara was able to battle the Senju [including Hashirama] for a day before exhaustion; highlights the gap in events. I am saying that you have no evidence to support your 'belief' that Madara didn't resurface Susano'o or that Hashirama didn't use Mokuton jutsu between the time gap unless you're appealing to ignorance
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What does Madara's stamina have anything to do with what I said? Where did I even contradict myself?
Anyone with decent reading comprehension would realize that they were in close combat during the off paneled time period
PS and the constructs that he clearly abandoned were not used, that much is clear.
So you're telling me that Hashirama, who needed Shinsuusenju to disable Perfect Susanoo, is going to survive a prolonged battle with it and then eventually defeat Madara w/o the use of Shinsuusenju or any of his Mokuton Constructs? Again, you can't even be serious with this nonsense
Again, where did I contradict myself here? All 3 of things have the same point. Hashirama did not use the broken Shinsuusenju, Mokujin and Mokuryu against Madara hence him clearly dismounting them. Madara did not use PS again as Hashirama wouldn't have been able to defeat it without Shinsuusenju, which had already been taken out of commission.
....I said that the Mokuton constructs that were in the panel were not used again hence him leaving them behind. You telling me "No evidence no evidence" over and over again isn't saying anything of use.
....Where did I say he didn't use Susanoo? I simply referred to PS in general, unless that is what you are referring to when you say Susanoo.
-Him dismounting them is evidence enough that he didn't use them.
-The fact that Shinuusenju is necessary to destroy PS is evidence that PS wasn't used after the initial clash, otherwise Madara would have won.
Madara did not defeat and destroy Mokujin, Mokuryu, and Shinsuusenju's remains without PS. Not a chance. All logic points to this being the conclusion. Even if you were correct, it doesn't help prove your stance since Hashirama would have had less difficulty if he had fought Madara w/o Kurama then he would have if he fought Madara w/ Kurama.
Whatever wording you prefer to work with on Sennin Modo issue and yes, naturally we're referring to Madara in his prime at The End Valley as that is the standard to which he is measured. Would make no sense to rival him [Sasuke] against Madara before that point as his then apex of power, mastery over abilities and familiarity with his Sharingan jutsu all remains unknown.
I was referring to EMS Madara w/o Kurama with the post you responded to as the thread itself refers to EMS Madara w/o Kurama. Then you responded saying that the gap between Madara w/o Kurama and Hashirama is very very small, and that's what we are arguing about.
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