Itachi Uchiha in Tobiramas Predicament(Gold and Silver Bros, etc.)

[sharingansennin]

Do you think Itachi could have won considering he used tsukiyomi on the Uchiha. This is prime Itachi btw, with Spirit Weapons and Susano.

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[Europa]

Itachi would lose. The gold and silver bros are stronger then most give them credit for.

 

[KingHashirama]

Nope would've lost.

It wasn't simply a 2 vs 1.. it was a whole coup....

 

[Touken]

Tobirama and the 2nd Raikage were ambushed considering it was a coup done by only two people. Also, they waited until the 2 Kage met up to form an alliance, the ideal place to launch a stealth attack. All the signs point to Gin & Kin bros ambushing the Kage, not meeting them head on.

 

[Draegod]

Tobirama and the 2nd Raikage were ambushed considering it was a coup done by only two people. Also, they waited until the 2 Kage met up to form an alliance, the ideal place to launch a stealth attack. All the signs point to Gin & Kin bros ambushing the Kage, not meeting them head on.

With National Security on both sides it wasn't a simple "ambush". It was a Planned attack and they had to get through the smaller fish then get to the big fish. So in short all though it was a planned attack, the kages had plenty time to react and was not Surprised attacked like 6 paths of pain did to Jman, or Obito (izanagi) did to konan.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Susanoos weakness is underground. Banana fan conjure up earth techs to attack Itachi. Also, speed boost from their V2 cloaks would allow them dodge Susanoo attacks and the cloak itself would sheild Amaterasu flames. Itachi also has no chance of outlasting them. Remember it took a whole division, Ino Shika Chon, Shikaku's planning and one of Rikudos treasures just to beat ONE of them in V2.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

I have no idea though I would say it would be a hell of a fight, if it is gin j kin by themselves vs itachi then I vote itachi

 

[Touken]

With National Security on both sides it wasn't a simple "ambush". It was a Planned attack and they had to get through the smaller fish then get to the big fish. So in short all though it was a planned attack, the kages had plenty time to react and was not Surprised attacked like 6 paths of pain did to Jman, or Obito (izanagi) did to konan.

Security on both sides? Manga shows only Tobirama and the 2nd Raikage there, I don't see any bodyguards.

Obito was prepared for a fight and so was J-man.

 

[Gakido]

Security on both sides? Manga shows only Tobirama and the 2nd Raikage there, I don't see any bodyguards.

Obito was prepared for a fight and so was J-man.

So you think the leaders of the two strongest countries are going to meet and there are going to be no body guards -.- your joking right.

 

[Touken]

So you think the leaders of the two strongest countries are going to meet and there are going to be no body guards -.- your joking right.

One bodyguard at the max. Still not enough time for Tobirama & the 2nd Raikage to react. Anymore than one bodyguard and it'd make it seem as if the opposite side were planning to attack instead of discussing alliances.

 

[Draegod]

One bodyguard at the max. Still not enough time for Tobirama & the 2nd Raikage to react. Anymore than one bodyguard and it'd make it seem as if the opposite side were planning to attack instead of discussing alliances.

Manga Fact, Kages Travel with atleast 2 body gaurds.

Second:

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Grand ceremony are held when treaties are about to be formed correct? And the only thing that makes you think it was just them two was because them two were only in the panel to tell what happened and show them. Just because we didnt see the entire environment doesnt mean it was just them two. LMMFAO You only want to believe it was 2 vs 2 because you love your favorite Tobirama (looks at avi), but even a fool can tell they were not by them self's. A Kage is never ever ever by them self's especially at another village!

 

[Touken]

Right, I'm not even gonna read the rest of that post.

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Yeah, see how every Kage only has one bodyguard?

 

[Draegod]

Right, I'm not even gonna read the rest of that post.

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Yeah, see how every Kage only has one bodyguard?

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Again, just because you don't see the entire area in a FLASHBACK doesnt mean that is the only thing going on or only ppl there. Tobirama Had 6 ppl with him at all times (there sensei)

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So by your logic there was 1 for raikage and 6 for hokage. And I'm not even going to mention the common sense that it was also a Village hidden in the leaf they were in! Why would teh leaf and there company not participate in there hokages fight when he was almost killed and was barely alive?

Numbers mean nothing to The KinGin Brothers, they were that damn Good! 2nd hokage alone is not even close to being able to beat them. And even with help they lost! lmao

 

[Touken]

I can't even understand your post, it makes no sense. The first scan you posted showed the current Gokage having 2 bodyguards. Well, I'm talking about then and you're talking about now. It's obvious stuff change over time but back then, the Kage only had 1 bodyguard. After going over the chapter too, it states they were ambushed, lemme bring up the scan.

 

[Bogard]

Inb4 Mellanoma. Itachi gets one shoted U_U

 

[Draegod]

I can't even understand your post, it makes no sense. The first scan you posted showed the current Gokage having 2 bodyguards. Well, I'm talking about then and you're talking about now. It's obvious stuff change over time but back then, the Kage only had 1 bodyguard. After going over the chapter too, it states they were ambushed, lemme bring up the scan.

I guess we are on different pages.

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Ambush with other ninjas around doesnt equal a 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2. It was an entire village with 2 kages vs The kingin Brothers and they still won (not successful in their mission though).

 

[Touken]

Ambush definition -
'a surprise attack by people lying in wait in a concealed position.'
Right, so you honestly believe they'll lie in wait and attack all the bodyguards and then the Kage, giving them a really low chance of success? Yeah, not happening.

Nowhere does it state the peace discussions were held in a village. However, it's manga fact they were ambushed.

 

[Draegod]

Ambush definition -
'a surprise attack by people lying in wait in a concealed position.'
Right, so you honestly believe they'll lie in wait and attack all the bodyguards and then the Kage, giving them a really low chance of success? Yeah, not happening.

Nowhere does it state the peace discussions were held in a village. However, it's manga fact they were ambushed.

So your really going to say they were solo? when doing a treaty????? Does that even make sense to you? 2 of the most important ninjas alive risking being alone? Even the first generation of kages knew to at least bring 1 body gaurd (and the body gaurds were all Kage level and up btw). So it was basically 4 kage level ninjas vs the Kingin Brothers. Second hokage is a sensor so ambush with the kingins sinister chakra means nothing. Stop trying to make excuses for them, they got their asses handed to them in a fight they lost.

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[Draegod]

I agree with Touken on this one. It's impossible anyway that Tobirama could have lose to these clones who got defeated by Darui in a straight battle U_U

I can't even take you serious if you believe Dairu is even in the same breath as them.. LMMFAO You think Dairu defeated them by himself??? It took 2 and a half Armies (divisions) to take out 1 of them! Then they had to use there own weapon to stand a chance! Even teh Broken Raikage knew he had to literally go out there and HELP fight them! Kingin>>>>>>>>>>>Tobirama&2nd raikage!

 

[Touken]

So your really going to say they were solo? when doing a treaty????? Does that even make sense to you? 2 of the most important ninjas alive risking being alone? Even the first generation of kages knew to at least bring 1 body gaurd (and the body gaurds were all Kage level and up btw). So it was basically 4 kage level ninjas vs the Kingin Brothers. Second hokage is a sensor so ambush with the kingins sinister chakra means nothing. Stop trying to make excuses for them, they got their asses handed to them in a fight they lost.

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Dude, if that was Hashirama and he got ambushed, he still would have been near death (before activating his OP healing). A sensor can't sense when he's not kneading chakra.

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I don't think you understand what 'ambush' means. They were taken completely off guard and even if they had bodyguards, the Kin & Gin bros aren't stupid enough to target the bodyguards first and then give the Kage a window to react. No, it's obvious they went only for the Kage with a thought out plan. You're not even refuting my argument, just repeating the same thing. And you obviously have something against Tobirama due to the scan you provided. And btw, that's actually a feat for Tobirama; resisting Orochimaru's control until he strengthened the restraint using Hashirama's cells. Thanks for bringing that up man.