Kakashi vs Danzo

Brother Numpsay · Oct 28, 2013

Baku rampages

Baku Viewed As A One Trick Pony?

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CQC?: I have seen discussions that Baku is only good for one thing and that is his suction. The fact is Baku is a Chimera. A Chimera are mythical creatures with part animal limbs, making it a mix hybrid. Because it is mix, it is able to use every limbs to what animal part they have mix with. If a Chimera has a serpents tail, it is able act as a separate entity and strike as a snake [

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] <-- Example of Chimera. With that said lets look at at Baku [

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]<--The circle show that it is hybrid with a Tiger. Having Tiger limbs enables him to attack like tigers [

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]<--Evidence shows griping its paws like a tiger, for CQC purposes. And with Elephant trunks, that is an elephant main arsenal, being larger then v3 Sussanoo proves it be also be use as a weapon. This characteristic, and the fact that its a Chimera can easily triumph over most summons in the series.

"Exhale": The way Baku jutsu works when it opens its mouth and inhales, it can create a powerful suction that sucks in everything within a large radius, while at the same time exhaling through its trunk.[

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]. I underlined Inhales and Exhales for a reason. These two things plays a factor on how this jutsu works, it explains how Baku is continuously using the suction, when at the same time, explains where it exits. So logcially speaking, by reversing the function of the jutsu Baku is able to blow out a power gust of wind to push away anything in its radius. By simply using his Trunk to Inhale all the air and his mouth to Exhale, making the "Exit" way.

Metabolism: His Metabolism should not be underestimate. [

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]. It was able to take in rocks, boulders, and trees, and pretty much everything in that location. And not once did effect him the slightest. That concludes that he can take in things that are unnatural or having a metabolism on a whole different scale in the Naruto-series.

Takos · Oct 28, 2013

KidGamer65 said:
That's why Sasuke used up Danzo's 10 minutes with just Shuriken and managed to deal with all his other techniques as well.....just using Shuriken.

Danzo beats him mid diff. He doesn't have a suitable defense against Danzo's larger Fuuton techniques, nor is he capable of dealing with the Baku + Fuuton combo, nor does can he deal with Baku alone.

Because only Sasuke has something in his arsenal other than shuriken, God forbid Kakashi to have, let's say... a thousand techniques. U_U

Baku? The moment he starts sucking things up he makes himself susceptible to practically any kind of long range attack Kakashi decides to throw at him. He can then either continue to suck and get certainly hit or stop... and get hit anyway, because the attack would already have a set direction due to earlier sucking and Kakashi's aim.

The only real danger for Kakashi I see is Danzo's final seal technique. Whether Kakashi gets out of it alive depends on his intel. If he knows about it, he can just tele to the other dimension.

Indeed, I might have exeggarated Kakashi's win, because that wouldn't be a rape actually. Danzo is not a good matchup for Kakashi due to his fuutons - the only element that Kakashi doesn't have an elemental counter for and the one that is a counter to his strongest element, Raiton.
This was more of a verbal reply to your very wrong comment about Kakashi not being able to win even if he has Kamui and Danzo does not have KA. In this case, in fact, it WOULD be a rape.

Brother Numpsay · Oct 28, 2013

Takos said:
Because only Sasuke has something in his arsenal other than shuriken, God forbid Kakashi to have, let's say... a thousand techniques. U_U

Baku? The moment he starts sucking things up he makes himself susceptible to practically any kind of long range attack Kakashi decides to throw at him. He can then either continue to suck and get certainly hit or stop... and get hit anyway, because the attack would already have a set direction due to earlier sucking and Kakashi's aim.

The only real danger for Kakashi I see is Danzo's final seal technique. Whether Kakashi gets out of it alive depends on his intel. If he knows about it, he can just tele to the other dimension.

Indeed, I might have exeggarated Kakashi's win, because that wouldn't be a rape actually. Danzo is not a good matchup for Kakashi due to his fuutons - the only element that Kakashi doesn't have an elemental counter for and the one that is a counter to his strongest element, Raiton.
This was more of a verbal reply to your very wrong comment about Kakashi not being able to win even if he has Kamui and Danzo does not have KA. In this case, in fact, it WOULD be a rape.

Read post 21 concerning Baku

Kakashi also has no way to break the Seal once Danzo touches him once.

Having knowedge doesn't give Kakashi any advantages as Kakashi is known across the Shinobi world, and the fact that Danzo also has almost every insides of every character in Konoha.

Bogard · Oct 28, 2013

People have the wrong belief that Danzo would outlast Kakashi because of Izanagi, forgetting the jutsu requires a lot of chakra for Danzo despite the modifications he put on his body. Another wrong belief is to think you need to kill Danzo 10times(or 11 if we count Shisuis eye) during the working of the jutsu to win, but this vision is wrong, and i'll explain why by showing what really happened in the fight between Sasuke and Danzo:

- Here is where Danzo activates Izanagi:

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- Here you can see Sasuke crushing Danzo, and another image appear next to him:

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Now the error many people did was to think that because a new Danzo appeared, one of Danzos eye will be closed, but it was a wrong way of thinking. None of Danzos eye was closed at that moment

You can notice that Danzo got crushed again on this pic:

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And here again:

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Later he got killed here again:

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Then here again:

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And after that Karin notice that the 3eyes are still closed:

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What did you notice? Danzo got crushed 5times, but only 3eyes are closed? The reason is simple.

Izanagi is infact a ultimate genjutsu you throw on yourself to turn everything into illusion within a certain time duration

Danzos Izanagi has a time duration of 1minute for each eye:

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Which means that when Danzo uses one Izanagi, during one minute, he is untouchable whether you kill him one time or thousand times. His eye closes only after that minute and it's when Izanagi finishes.

In Danzos case, he has multiple Izanagi eyes. So when Izanagi is activated(with handseals), after one Izanagi, another one is released from another eye, but just before that, Danzos chakra take a great dip:

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And that's why Danzo needs to desactivate Izanagi sometimes to conserv his chakra:

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So contrary to the popular belief, the thing to beat Danzo is not to kill him 10 or 11times like some people say, but it's to somehow force him to constantly use Izanagi, so that after the 10 or 11minute of Izanagi he can use, he becomes vulnerable. And it's what Tobi explains here:

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Another method is simply to kill him before he uses the handseals to activate Izanagi. Like i've said, Izanagi takes a lot of chakra. That's why sometimes, Danzo needs to stop the technique. If he stops the technique, he becomes vulnerable and it's at that moment you can strike

Summary

- Like Karin says here, Danzo can keep up his Izanagi only during one minute. After that minute, his Izanagi disappears and his eye closes alone:

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- That means that when Danzo releases Izanagi, he is forced to attack during that time so that he could use his invincibilities time efficiently. So, that means also that if during the time Izanagi is activated, he does nothing or his opponent actually manage to survive or escape from him, he will not only lose his eye and Izanagi for nothing, but also would lose a lot of his chakra for nothing, not helping in a long battle scenario.

- So during a fight when he uses Izanagi all along one after another(like during his fight against Sasuke for example), he could only maintain his Izanagi during almost 10minutes since he has 10sharingans

So at the end, Danzo is the one who must be skill enough to know how and when to use Izanagi and attack quickly after that. The opponent is not forced to kill him 10times like some people always say. It's Danzo the one who is forced to kill his opponent during that time.

PS: Now, it seems that the time you use Izanagi is not always the same, depending on the user, since Tobi managed to maintain his Izanagi against Konan during 5minutes at least or more.

Brother Numpsay · Oct 28, 2013

T Bogard said:
People have the wrong belief that Danzo would outlast Kakashi because of Izanagi, forgetting the jutsu requires a lot of chakra for Danzo despite the modifications he put on his body. Another wrong belief is to think you need to kill Danzo 10times(or 11 if we count Shisuis eye) during the working of the jutsu to win, but this vision is wrong, and i'll explain why by showing what really happened in the fight between Sasuke and Danzo:

- Here is where Danzo activates Izanagi:

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- Here you can see Sasuke crushing Danzo, and another image appear next to him:

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Now the error many people did was to think that because a new Danzo appeared, one of Danzos eye will be closed, but it was a wrong way of thinking. None of Danzos eye was closed at that moment

You can notice that Danzo got crushed again on this pic:

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And here again:

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Later he got killed here again:

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Then here again:

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And after that Karin notice that the 3eyes are still closed:

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What did you notice? Danzo got crushed 5times, but only 3eyes are closed? The reason is simple.

Izanagi is infact a ultimate genjutsu you throw on yourself to turn everything into illusion within a certain time duration

Danzos Izanagi has a time duration of 1minute for each eye:

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Which means that when Danzo uses one Izanagi, during one minute, he is untouchable whether you kill him one time or thousand times. His eye closes only after that minute and it's when Izanagi finishes.

In Danzos case, he has multiple Izanagi eyes. So when Izanagi is activated(with handseals), after one Izanagi, another one is released from another eye, but just before that, Danzos chakra take a great dip:

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And that's why Danzo needs to desactivate Izanagi sometimes to conserv his chakra:

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So contrary to the popular belief, the thing to beat Danzo is not to kill him 10 or 11times like some people say, but it's to somehow force him to constantly use Izanagi, so that after the 10 or 11minute of Izanagi he can use, he becomes vulnerable. And it's what Tobi explains here:

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Another method is simply to kill him before he uses the handseals to activate Izanagi. Like i've said, Izanagi takes a lot of chakra. That's why sometimes, Danzo needs to stop the technique. If he stops the technique, he becomes vulnerable and it's at that moment you can strike

Summary

- Like Karin says here, Danzo can keep up his Izanagi only during one minute. After that minute, his Izanagi disappears and his eye closes alone:

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- That means that when Danzo releases Izanagi, he is forced to attack during that time so that he could use his invincibilities time efficiently. So, that means also that if during the time Izanagi is activated, he does nothing or his opponent actually manage to survive or escape from him, he will not only lose his eye and Izanagi for nothing, but also would lose a lot of his chakra for nothing, not helping in a long battle scenario.

- So during a fight when he uses Izanagi all along one after another(like during his fight against Sasuke for example), he could only maintain his Izanagi during almost 10minutes since he has 10sharingans

So at the end, Danzo is the one who must be skill enough to know how and when to use Izanagi and attack quickly after that. The opponent is not forced to kill him 10times like some people always say. It's Danzo the one who is forced to kill his opponent during that time.

PS: Now, it seems that the time you use Izanagi is not always the same, depending on the user, since Tobi managed to maintain his Izanagi against Konan during 5minutes at least or more.

Obviously anyone and even fodders via Shinobi war can last 10 mins in battle. The whole point people are making is the case of "constant pressure", during those 10 mins.

Takos · Oct 28, 2013

T Bogard said:
People have the wrong belief that Danzo would outlast Kakashi because of Izanagi, forgetting the jutsu requires a lot of chakra for Danzo despite the modifications he put on his body. Another wrong belief is to think you need to kill Danzo 10times(or 11 if we count Shisuis eye) during the working of the jutsu to win, but this vision is wrong, and i'll explain why by showing what really happened in the fight between Sasuke and Danzo:

- Here is where Danzo activates Izanagi:

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- Here you can see Sasuke crushing Danzo, and another image appear next to him:

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Now the error many people did was to think that because a new Danzo appeared, one of Danzos eye will be closed, but it was a wrong way of thinking. None of Danzos eye was closed at that moment

You can notice that Danzo got crushed again on this pic:

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And here again:

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Later he got killed here again:

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Then here again:

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And after that Karin notice that the 3eyes are still closed:

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What did you notice? Danzo got crushed 5times, but only 3eyes are closed? The reason is simple.

Izanagi is infact a ultimate genjutsu you throw on yourself to turn everything into illusion within a certain time duration

Danzos Izanagi has a time duration of 1minute for each eye:

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Which means that when Danzo uses one Izanagi, during one minute, he is untouchable whether you kill him one time or thousand times. His eye closes only after that minute and it's when Izanagi finishes.

In Danzos case, he has multiple Izanagi eyes. So when Izanagi is activated(with handseals), after one Izanagi, another one is released from another eye, but just before that, Danzos chakra take a great dip:

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And that's why Danzo needs to desactivate Izanagi sometimes to conserv his chakra:

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So contrary to the popular belief, the thing to beat Danzo is not to kill him 10 or 11times like some people say, but it's to somehow force him to constantly use Izanagi, so that after the 10 or 11minute of Izanagi he can use, he becomes vulnerable. And it's what Tobi explains here:

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Another method is simply to kill him before he uses the handseals to activate Izanagi. Like i've said, Izanagi takes a lot of chakra. That's why sometimes, Danzo needs to stop the technique. If he stops the technique, he becomes vulnerable and it's at that moment you can strike

Summary

- Like Karin says here, Danzo can keep up his Izanagi only during one minute. After that minute, his Izanagi disappears and his eye closes alone:

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- That means that when Danzo releases Izanagi, he is forced to attack during that time so that he could use his invincibilities time efficiently. So, that means also that if during the time Izanagi is activated, he does nothing or his opponent actually manage to survive or escape from him, he will not only lose his eye and Izanagi for nothing, but also would lose a lot of his chakra for nothing, not helping in a long battle scenario.

- So during a fight when he uses Izanagi all along one after another(like during his fight against Sasuke for example), he could only maintain his Izanagi during almost 10minutes since he has 10sharingans

So at the end, Danzo is the one who must be skill enough to know how and when to use Izanagi and attack quickly after that. The opponent is not forced to kill him 10times like some people always say. It's Danzo the one who is forced to kill his opponent during that time.

PS: Now, it seems that the time you use Izanagi is not always the same, depending on the user, since Tobi managed to maintain his Izanagi against Konan during 5minutes at least or more.

Neatly explained, as always.

EjBlack, you say that as if touching Kakashi was that simple.
Even if he manages to do that, he'll probably find himself electrocuted with a raiton bunshin.

Brother Numpsay · Oct 28, 2013

Takos said:
Neatly explained, as always.

EjBlack, you say that as if touching Kakashi was that simple.
Even if he manages to do that, he'll probably find himself electrocuted with a raiton bunshin.

It would be simple as Kakashi has no knowledge on Izanagi spawn.

Kakashi has to set up that bushin first

Takos · Oct 28, 2013

EjBlack said:
It would be simple as Kakashi has no knowledge on Izanagi spawn.

Kakashi has to set up that bushin first

Kakashi sets his bunshins so efficiently that we rarely see him do it.
The only times Kakashi actually used bunshins so that his opponents could see it was against Gato's thugs to scare them off and against edo jins, in which case the bunshin was required for Raiden and not a bunshin feint.

Other than that, Kakashi tricked Zabuza with a bunshin that no one saw him creating, same story with Itachi, then he tricked Itachi for a second time this way in part 2, then Pain, even with his Rinnegan-enhanced vision...

Kakashi is a master of bunshin feints, they were both hyped in the manga and shown to actually live up to their hype.

Brother Numpsay · Oct 28, 2013

Takos said:
Kakashi sets his bunshins so efficiently that we rarely see him do it.
The only times Kakashi actually used bunshins so that his opponents could see it was against Gato's thugs to scare them off and against edo jins, in which case the bunshin was required for Raiden and not a bunshin feint.

Other than that, Kakashi tricked Zabuza with a bunshin that no one saw him creating, same story with Itachi, then he tricked Itachi for a second time this way in part 2, then Pain, even with his Rinnegan-enhanced vision...

Kakashi is a master of bunshin feints, they were both hyped in the manga and shown to actually live up to their hype.

Good point. But fool Danzo once, shame on him. For him twice..

dms_kakashi · Oct 28, 2013

defaq!!they are underistimating kakashi! he is lot smarter! he fooled itachi and pein by making clones without them noticing! and kamuid nail infront of rinnegans vision without any suspect!! and dont underistimate kakasho¡

Bogard · Oct 28, 2013

EjBlack said:
Obviously anyone and even fodders via Shinobi war can last 10 mins in battle. The whole point people are making is the case of "constant pressure", during those 10 mins.

My point was to say that if Danzo doesn't feel the pressure, he would stop Izanagi since if he doesn't, not only it takes a lot out of him but it would be a waste(1 to 10minutes of Izanagi for nothing). He would only spam his Izanagis if he is pressured. And if he doesn't use Izanagi, he is as vulnerable as anyone

dms_kakashi · Oct 28, 2013

Takos said:
Kakashi sets his bunshins so efficiently that we rarely see him do it.
The only times Kakashi actually used bunshins so that his opponents could see it was against Gato's thugs to scare them off and against edo jins, in which case the bunshin was required for Raiden and not a bunshin feint.

Other than that, Kakashi tricked Zabuza with a bunshin that no one saw him creating, same story with Itachi, then he tricked Itachi for a second time this way in part 2, then Pain, even with his Rinnegan-enhanced vision...

Kakashi is a master of bunshin feints, they were both hyped in the manga and shown to actually live up to their hype.

u r the only one who understands me i think so

Brother Numpsay · Oct 28, 2013

shresthabijay26 said:
defaq!!they are underistimating kakashi! he is lot smarter! he fooled itachi and pein by making clones without them noticing! and kamuid nail infront of rinnegans vision without any suspect!! and dont underistimate kakasho¡

And were also talking about an elder of the village also, so arguing about intelligence playing the role of defeat is irrelevant

T Bogard said:
My point was to say that if Danzo doesn't feel the pressure, he would stop Izanagi since if he doesn't, not only it takes a lot out of him but it would be a waste(1 to 10minutes of Izanagi for nothing). He would only spam his Izanagis if he is pressured. And if he doesn't use Izanagi, he is as vulnerable as anyone

Ight

hokutoshinken · Oct 28, 2013

T Bogard said:
People have the wrong belief that Danzo would outlast Kakashi because of Izanagi, forgetting the jutsu requires a lot of chakra for Danzo despite the modifications he put on his body. Another wrong belief is to think you need to kill Danzo 10times(or 11 if we count Shisuis eye) during the working of the jutsu to win, but this vision is wrong, and i'll explain why by showing what really happened in the fight between Sasuke and Danzo:

- Here is where Danzo activates Izanagi:

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- Here you can see Sasuke crushing Danzo, and another image appear next to him:

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Now the error many people did was to think that because a new Danzo appeared, one of Danzos eye will be closed, but it was a wrong way of thinking. None of Danzos eye was closed at that moment

You can notice that Danzo got crushed again on this pic:

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And here again:

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Later he got killed here again:

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Then here again:

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And after that Karin notice that the 3eyes are still closed:

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What did you notice? Danzo got crushed 5times, but only 3eyes are closed? The reason is simple.

Izanagi is infact a ultimate genjutsu you throw on yourself to turn everything into illusion within a certain time duration

Danzos Izanagi has a time duration of 1minute for each eye:

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Which means that when Danzo uses one Izanagi, during one minute, he is untouchable whether you kill him one time or thousand times. His eye closes only after that minute and it's when Izanagi finishes.

In Danzos case, he has multiple Izanagi eyes. So when Izanagi is activated(with handseals), after one Izanagi, another one is released from another eye, but just before that, Danzos chakra take a great dip:

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And that's why Danzo needs to desactivate Izanagi sometimes to conserv his chakra:

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So contrary to the popular belief, the thing to beat Danzo is not to kill him 10 or 11times like some people say, but it's to somehow force him to constantly use Izanagi, so that after the 10 or 11minute of Izanagi he can use, he becomes vulnerable. And it's what Tobi explains here:

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Another method is simply to kill him before he uses the handseals to activate Izanagi. Like i've said, Izanagi takes a lot of chakra. That's why sometimes, Danzo needs to stop the technique. If he stops the technique, he becomes vulnerable and it's at that moment you can strike

Summary

- Like Karin says here, Danzo can keep up his Izanagi only during one minute. After that minute, his Izanagi disappears and his eye closes alone:

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- That means that when Danzo releases Izanagi, he is forced to attack during that time so that he could use his invincibilities time efficiently. So, that means also that if during the time Izanagi is activated, he does nothing or his opponent actually manage to survive or escape from him, he will not only lose his eye and Izanagi for nothing, but also would lose a lot of his chakra for nothing, not helping in a long battle scenario.

- So during a fight when he uses Izanagi all along one after another(like during his fight against Sasuke for example), he could only maintain his Izanagi during almost 10minutes since he has 10sharingans

So at the end, Danzo is the one who must be skill enough to know how and when to use Izanagi and attack quickly after that. The opponent is not forced to kill him 10times like some people always say. It's Danzo the one who is forced to kill his opponent during that time.

PS: Now, it seems that the time you use Izanagi is not always the same, depending on the user, since Tobi managed to maintain his Izanagi against Konan during 5minutes at least or more.

I agree with all this

shelke · Oct 28, 2013

KA will not do anything to Kakashi, because of his amazing use in Danzo's eye-socket, but he wins regardless, because of Izanagi, Kamui burden on Kakahsi's body, and his Futon + Baku combination. Kaakshi has zero counters for these.

ShaneEyyy · Oct 28, 2013

Takos said:
Kakashi sets his bunshins so efficiently that we rarely see him do it.
The only times Kakashi actually used bunshins so that his opponents could see it was against Gato's thugs to scare them off and against edo jins, in which case the bunshin was required for Raiden and not a bunshin feint.

Other than that, Kakashi tricked Zabuza with a bunshin that no one saw him creating, same story with Itachi, then he tricked Itachi for a second time this way in part 2, then Pain, even with his Rinnegan-enhanced vision...

Kakashi is a master of bunshin feints, they were both hyped in the manga and shown to actually live up to their hype.

Don't forget Zabuza then faked out Kakashi with a clone feint then blitzed him in a Water Prison. Zabuza is also a master of clone feints. Lol kidding kidding

Zavage10 · Oct 29, 2013

Kakashi cannot break the seal and he has no passive defense.

USSJ Future Trunks · Nov 7, 2013

KA blitz since its unrestricted.

Mere shuriken are enough to waste Danzo's precious Izanagi eyes.

no they arent. being hit does nothing but use up some of the time limit. each eye has 1 minute of invincibility and "rewriting" of events.

Later he got killed again

danzo only died once

Kakashi is both smarter and more versatile than Sasuke. And if he doesn't use Kamui, he has chakra reserves to use equivalent to more than 10 Kamui

no he doesnt lol. sasuke has SHOWN more versaility and more jutsus. kakashi currently is a raikiri and kamui spammer. hes lost alot of his variety in his fighting style.
and he cant use 10 kamui in a row lol. he was on the ground bleeding after 4 or 5.

Champ · Nov 11, 2013

Djgogetta5 said:
Kakashi cannot break the seal and he has no passive defense.

I agree, Dj

xKiD SPiiD3rMaN · Nov 11, 2013

What happens if he uses Kamui on Danzo's arm?

And didn't Sasuke break out of the seal with... willpower? lmfao.

OT: Kakashi wins if KA is restricted. If not Danzo takes it.

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