[Theory] Clans, Dojutsus and Yin-Yang [Full theory]

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In this theory (which is again bit lengthy, sorry :(), I am going to explain relation between Yin-Yang and noble clans...It is again divided into 5 parts, hope you will enjoy reading it... =D=D
Credits->​
1. Chatte's theory,
2. tysoncs's theory,

1. What is Yin-Yang??

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We all know that, many things from Naruto(including things like Yin-Yang release) are basically based upon the concept of Yin-Yang from Taoism, as seen in above image, few important traits from Nature are associated with Yin and Yang. One may come to the conclusion Yin and Yang are basically opposite forces, which is conceptually wrong.
Basically, they aren't opposite forces but they are complementary forces, for example, if there are shadows(darkness), there is also going to be light(shadows are due to light, right??)
One sec, do you remember something, from this??O_O
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So, basically Madara's philosophy is similar to Yin-yang philosophy..: yeah:
Few Important points about Yin-yang
1. Yin and yang are actually complementary, not opposing, forces, interacting to form a whole greater than either separate part; in effect, a dynamic system.
2. Everything has both yin and yang aspects, (for instance shadow cannot exist without light). Either of the two major aspects may manifest more strongly in a particular object, depending on the criterion of the observation.
3. Yin and yang thus are always opposite and equal qualities. Further, whenever one quality reaches its peak, it will naturally begin to transform into the opposite quality: for example, grain that reaches its full height in summer (fully yang) will produce seeds and die back in winter (fully yin) in an endless cycle.
4. Yang is the white side with the black dot on it, and yin is the black side with the white dot on it.
5. In the I Ching, yin and yang are represented by broken and solid lines: yin is broken and yang is solid. These are then combined into trigrams (three lines above each other), which are more yang or more yin depending on the number of broken and solid lines (e.g., ☰ is heavily yang, while ☷ is heavily yin), and trigrams are combined into hexagrams (Yin/yang lines).
Since my theory revolves around these five points, I am going to focus on them; you can read more about Yin-yang, ...
Note-The I Ching (Wade-Giles) or "Yì Jīng" (pinyin), also known as the Classic of Changes, Book of Changes or Zhouyi, is one of the oldest of the Chinese classic texts..
2. Byakugan and Sharingan/ Hyuuga and Uchiha
After a lesson of philosophy, let's get back to Naruto.=D=D
Many people say that origin of Uchiha clan lies in the Hyuuga clan, and there is even a scan where Kakashi says so...
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Now, what Kakashi said is either correct or an incomplete statement (or partial truth), which is told to him by village elders. (Because notice, Kakashi said, "they said so...")
Suppose, what Kakashi said is correct and Hyuuga clan gave rise to Uchiha clan, that means Sage Of Six Paths was Hyuuga, since SO6P was the one who gave arise to Uchiha and Senju clan.
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If Sage was hyuga, he had Byakugan, in short, it means his Byakugan became Rinnegan, because sage of six paths had Rinnegan(we all know that), but that means Byakugan->Sharingan->Rinnegan.
That means there must be some way to get Sharingan from Byakugan, but something is fishy…
1. If you can get Sharingan from Byakugan then why someone like Orochimaru(who was quite knowledgeable person) went through all those things to get Sharigan/uchiha body??
2. If one can get Sharingan from Byakugan why it isn’t mentioned in Uchiha tablet?? Because if it is mentioned in Uchiha tablet, why know one till now ever tried to get it??
3. Why Hyuuga clan is always mentioned after Hashirama/Madara era, even though according to Kakashi it is one of the oldest clans in Konoha??
Also, we came across Sage’s name in the latest chapter, and how he got his chakra from god tree, clearly discarding the argument that Sage had Byakugan because that is the ‘only way to see chakra’.
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That means what Kakashi said, isn't entirely true, told to him by village elders
The natural question here is, why Hyuugas did that?? The answer is because they wanted to part themselves from Uchiha clan, because it was rumored that Uchiha clan is cursed clan....
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But if it isn't entirely true, why Kishi wrote that statement?? Reason is, Kishi wanted to hint towards the point that there is relation between Uchiha and Hyuuga clan...
Which can also be seen in this scan->
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Let’s take other possibility into consideration i.e. Byakugan came from Sharingan, which is actually the relation; I am going to prove now. Obito once told us about the sage’s sons, when he was talking with Naruto.
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He said that, Younger son inherited body of Sage (Yang nature), older son inherited eyes, spiritual energy (Yin nature).In short Older son(Uchiha ancestor) had Yin nature and Younger son had Yang nature(Senju ancestor) , till now it’s OK. But look what wikipedia says about Yin-Yang->
‘Whenever one quantity reaches its peak, it automatically gets converted into other quantity’
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Now, let’s relate it here, older son had higher amount of Yin chakra, but there is a possibility that after few generations, it got converted into Yin+ slight amount of Yang chakra. This phenomenon gave arise to what we call Hyuga clan and Byakugan.
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But before you come at me and ask me that why Uchihas weren't obliterated?? Reason is 'time' required for this ‘balancing processes’ and property of a nature to give birth to one of its own kind.
Now, what proof I have to support this analysis?? Let’s compare the abilities that Sharingan and Byakugan have...
1. Byakugan literally means 'white eye', this white color is related to Yang. (Yang is associated with white, and Yin is associated with Darkness->Hatred.)
2. Sharigan can cast genjutsu, byakugan can't, because it is Yang dojutsu, not Yin and to cast genjutsu one need Yin type of chakra, proof??
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This is also proves that Uchiha's are masters of genjutsu, because they are Yin dominant.
3. All Byakugan users are awesome in Taijutsu, even someone like Rock-Lee accepted Hyugas are quite good in taijutsu, due to techniques like 32 or 64 trigram palms…
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Certainly, taijutsu requires physical strength, which also is an indication of Yang chakra.
But hey, there is something that isn't going quite good, byakugan's ability to see through things...But actually it is expected, since Hyuuga clan being originated from Uchiha clan still carry few abilities, such as ability to see through all those things, which is actually evolved ability and extension of Sharingan’s ability of giving color to chakra..
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3. Sakura Haruno and Senju clan
If you are Sakura hater just because she is from a ‘fodder clan’, sorry guys but she isn't...xd
Whenever I think about team 7, the only member who bothers me a lot is Sakura Haruno...
Consider this:
Sasuke-From ‘noble’ Uchiha clan
Naruto-From ‘noble’ Uzumaki clan
What about Sakura??
Kishi said in one-of his interviews that he always wanted to portray Sakura as ‘normal shinobi’, but hey how normal shinobi can have exponential growth and become comparable to one of ‘legendary sennins’ in a period of only three years?? Kishi what are you trying to pull??
Before few days, honorable NB member chatte put forth a , according to which Sakura is somehow related to Senju clan (there are many notable similarities between Senju Hashirama and Sakura), I am not going to list all of them here, but going to leave you with this image.
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I already told you guys that if one of Yin and Yang reaches peak in proportion it automatically gets converted to the other one. I already told about conversion of Yin into Yang, but there is other part of this statement i.e. conversion of Yang into Yin, this is the relation between Sakura and Senju clan…
Sakura is senju?? No....But she is from the Sub-clan of Senju clan..
Now, before moving ahead, have a look at this manga scan,
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Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura are seating with their scan symbols, according to revelation of their clans in manga, (from first to last…), Uchiha and Uzumaki clan secrets are revealed, now the only one left is Sakura Haruno with 'that mysterious' last symbol...Now what is that symbol??
For those who haven't read Chatte's theory, that symbol is called as 'bindu chakra' symbol...Before proceeding lets have look at few important traits about this Bindu chakra,
1. Fountain of youth, vitality and health is located in the Bindu Chakra – one of the most mysterious and remarkable energy centers in the human body.
What is the meaning of Sakura?? Cherry blossom flower which is always related with youth and eternity there you go similarity no.1.
2. The Bindu Chakra lies beneath the cowlick that most people have at the back of their head. Some people have two cowlicks; these people often possess exceptional vitality and creativity, but on the other hand can also be inclined towards hyperactivity and extreme nervousness, and may have dual personalities.
Do you remember 'Inner Sakura'?? I always thought why isn't there 'inner Ino' or 'inner Hinata'??:snick:
That's because Kishi wanted to indicate that Sakura has dual personality unlike others ('Inner Sakura' always does and think 'opposite' than 'Outer Sakura'), remember what she did in the beginning??
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Observe what Inner sakura thinks and Real Sakura says i.e.’ dual personality’…
Sakura had extreme nervousness?? Yes she did (remember forehead saga), look at her expressions in this panel.
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3. The Bindu Chakra produces truly astonishing effects. It is a “health centre” that brings about improved physical, psychic and spiritual health, and is therefore a valuable aid on our spiritual journey. It is also mentioned in Ayurveda as ultimate form of Healing tech.
One can simply relate it with Sakura's healing skills, and the thing that she has nice chakra control, and her ability to break genjutsu…
You can read more about Bindu chakra .
Now, let's get back to Yin-Yang theory, till now we know that Yang may get convert into Yin(similar to conversion of Yin to Yang), so just like Hyuga is a sub-clan of Uchiha clan, there must be a sub-clan of Senju clan(with Yin traits), the clan of Sakura Haruno, or let’s say Haruno clan.
Again let’s have a look at Sakura's techniques and abilities->
1. Healing techniques- We all know that Sakura is a great medic, in short has more chakra control, has spiritual nature, in short Sakura have some ‘Yin’ traits.
2. Genjutsu breaking ability-Sakura knew how to break normal genjutsu in part-1.
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This was a ‘feat’ at that point, now we know Genjutsu is related spirituality which is again related to Yin.
3. Byakugou seal- Byakugou means ‘Urna’, which means swirl of fine hair on the forehead of the Buddha.It represents .Third eye is basically is related to ‘divinity’, perception beyond ordinary sight.
When Sakura releases her seal her medical ability increases spontaneously, same thing happens with her physical strength, because her Yin portion increases along with the Yang part she carries(due to she being senju clan descendent indirectly).
Now next question, when this clan (let’s call it Haruno clan, for time being) came into existence, or why it isn't mentioned in pre-Hashirama era, the answer is it came into existence during Hashirama era, and there was in fact one person in Senju clan who had Yin affinity and hence that point is next evidence of my theory, that person is this girl, toka senju..
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You can clearly see her in this manga scan, where she is standing near Hashirama senju, according to databook she was renowned throughout the world, for her genjutsu, the same genjutsu which most of the Senjus didn't have...
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^Top right scan^
Now, this clearly means that she had Yin traits and was an exception among senjus due to that, which itself clearly implies the possibility of senju subclan, which is Haruno clan, the clan with Yin properties..
4. Rinnegan
The only dojutsu that we haven’t discussed so far is Rinnegan. According to Madara, rinnegan can be obtained by having Uchiha and Senju DNA.
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But point to note here is Madara said that 'first nothing happened'.So there is something more which is needed to awake Rinnegan.
That is, some 'thought' led Madara to awaken Rinnegan...Why thought?? Because each and every dojutsu obtained using Uchiha tablet is obtained due to a thought, Sharingan->Hatred, MS->More hatred, EMS->Even more hatred, this is true since it is due to Juubi, as postulated by many NB members, before me. But what thought led to Rinnegan??
Probably, this thought??
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When Madara left Konoha, he said something to Hashirama...
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When two opposite things are combined 'true happiness' can be obtained.It straightforward relates itself two Yin-Yang philosophy,
'Yin-Yang balance each other to form stable system'
, so in short you need to understand that ideology of world and try to balance Yin and Yang, then and only then you will awaken the Rinnegan, nah this isn't proof of, it is just hypothesis, but there are many more things we know about rinnegan..
Look what Jiraiya said about Rinnegan,
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So in short you need ‘this thought'+Uchiha+Senju DNA, to awake Rinnegan, which clearly proves that SO6P awoke Rinnegan because he wanted to bring peace, he wanted to balance Yin and Yang.
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On the other hand, Madara was able to awake it, because he understood ‘this thought’, which actually countered Madara’s own hatred which was due to Uchiha clan and their curse of hatred.
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3. This sealed guy(sealed using RDS)cannot be brought back using Edo-Tensei, as Yin part/spirit is within shinigami and not accessible from outer world, and hence this technique is unusual and 'rough'.
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My that theory basically consists of these three points.
The point to note here is all major clans, Uzumaki clan, Senju clan, Uchiha clan and Hyuuga clan are related to concept of Yin-Yang someway or the other.
Conclusion:
Finally, conclusion of this lengthy theory of mine...:sweat:
1. Hyuuga clan is basically a sub-clan of Uchiha clan, Byakugan is related to sharingan because it's origin lies within Sharingan. Hyuugas are basically Yang manifestation of Yin Uchihas.
2. Sakura Haruno is basically from sub-clan of Senju clan, with clan symbol as 'bindu chakra' symbol.
3. Rinnegan is effect of Senju+Uchiha+Yin-Yang thought, the thought which leads to Rinnegan.
4. Uzumaki sealing techniques are nothing but Yin-Yang sealing techniques, and are based upon basic principal of Yin-Yang.
Thanks for reading, hope you liked the theory...:win::win:
 
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I would like to add a little thing about Sakura there. If you read my second theory about her, you would've noticed a little detail. Sakura's featured symbols are both presented in the Yin and Yang concept.

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And we all know her other concept design symbol.

Now, what I would want to mention is that actually, she is both types...

Let's get back to this

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Naruto: "and how about medical ninjutsu and genjutsu ?"

Both Shikamaru's Kagemane and medical ninjutsu use the yin or the spirit control .
And Choji's Baika no jutsu or Sakura's strength use the yang or body/physical control .

Therefore, we can see from here that she is a wielder of both manipulations.

Plus, she destroyed an army of ten-tails not just one. :p
 
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i liked the Hashirama and Sakura one :D I read chattes theory before and it has some good points.
U must read the one
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it has even more points
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Mmmh, your theory was quite misleading at some points. You mislead the basic idea on some points - you shouldn't do that. It confuses the reader.

Although it was so, I still managed to grasp the main point(s). It still didn't tell much - only analysis.

Though this was a good thread, you're still an amateur theory maker to me. You need to improve on some occasions, and not make a full 10 page essay. It needs to have only the core of the subject, and maybe sometimes a bit of real life logic presentations.

Regardless, nice work. Don't take this as an hate post or WNB-teacher - even a student can sometimes advice his teacher.
 

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I would like to add a little thing about Sakura there. If you read my second theory about her, you would've noticed a little detail. Sakura's featured symbols are both presented in the Yin and Yang concept.

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And we all know her other concept design symbol.

Now, what I would want to mention is that actually, she is both types...

Let's get back to this

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Naruto: "and how about medical ninjutsu and genjutsu ?"

Both shikamaru's kageman and medical ninjutsu use the yin or the spirit control .
And Choji's baika no jutsu or Sakura's strength use the yang or body/physical control .

Therefore, we can see from here that she is a wielder of both manipulations.

Plus, she destroyed an army of ten-tails not just one. :p
Actually, she has both types if you read my theory carefully, I said she is from the sub-clan of Senju clan, in short she does have few properties of Senju clan, common example is her brutal strength, but what dominates in her case is 'spirituality' or Yin nature, she doesn't have great chakra reserves like Tsunade, but has great chakra control which is an indicative that she is actually Yin dominant but still has Yang traits in her, as you mentioned.
On that Juubi point though yes she destroyed more than one, but she wasn't on par with Naruto and Sasuke...:yeah:

i liked the Hashirama and Sakura one :D I read chattes theory before and it has some good points.
Well, thanks for appreciation...=D=D
Mmmh, your theory was quite misleading at some points. You mislead the basic idea on some points - you shouldn't do that. It confuses the reader.

Although it was so, I still managed to grasp the main point(s). It still didn't tell much - only analysis.

Though this was a good thread, you're still an amateur theory maker to me. You need to improve on some occasions, and not make a full 10 page essay. It needs to have only the core of the subject, and maybe sometimes a bit of real life logic presentations.

Regardless, nice work. Don't take this as an hate post or WNB-teacher - even a student can sometimes advice his teacher.
Thanks for your sincere opinion, maybe I could have made this thread shorter, but I would have to skip few points and had to treat them separately which I didn't want to do, that's why I had to make it long.
 
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Thanks for your sincere opinion, maybe I could have made this thread shorter, but I would have to skip few points and had to treat them separately which I didn't want to do, that's why I had to make it long.
No problem, and I agree, it's a bit impossible to make this thread short. But dividing theory into sections is not bad also - just sometimes decreases the amount of readers. But you shouldn't worry about that for now, I'd say try to squeeze thread even impossibly half a size.

But this is excellent work.
 

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buddy how u missed this:
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u also missed this:
Rinnegan's appearance is so similar to byakugan:
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the dotted appearance makes its appearance rinnegan like a bit!So rinnegan is the mutation of byakugan!
Most important point of uchiha-hyuga relationship!
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The Uchiha are represented by the Phoenix

The Chinese Phoenix is called Fenghuang, and is the second most-respected legendary creature (second to the dragon), mostly used to represent the empress. The phoenix is the 'King of Birds". Also known as the "vermilion bird," and the "substance of the flame." It personifies the primordial force of the heavens.

Uchiha are second to the Senju
Uchiha are connected to birds, as are the Hyuga

A Phoenix's body symbolizes the six celestial bodies. The head is the sky, the eyes are the sun, the back is the moon, the wings are the wind, the feet are the earth, and the tail is the planets. Its feathers contain the five fundamental colors: black, white, red, blue and yellow. It is also sometimes depicted as having three legs. It is believed that phoenix only appear in areas or places that are blessed with utmost peace and prosperity or happiness.

The Six Paths.
Rinnegan lets the user control all 5 elements.
Supports the idea that the Rinnegan can only be unlocked through "peace and prosperity or happiness" unlike the Sharingan which activates with different emotions.

The Rinnegan
The Phoenix is the Uchiha's true potential, it is the Rinnegan. This ability can be unlocked by the Uchiha with Hashirama/Senju DNA.
The Uchiha's connection the phoenix branches off from their connection to birds. In Chinese/Japanese Mythology the phoenix is the king of birds. That's the connection I made.

There's also the image of a bird in Naka shrine, which has phoenix like attributes and has a flame on both sides:
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here we can see neji within the phoneix:
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i will read all ur theory later..i have read upto 2 points.and i like it!
u atleast could have waited for my 2nd part of my theory!
 
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No problem, and I agree, it's a bit impossible to make this thread short. But dividing theory into sections is not bad also - just sometimes decreases the amount of readers. But you shouldn't worry about that for now, I'd say try to squeeze thread even impossibly half a size.

But this is excellent work.
I will surely think about making things shorter, I am quiet tired after working on that thing...:sweat:
buddy how u missed this:
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u also missed this:
Rinnegan's appearance is so similar to byakugan:
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the dotted appearance makes its appearance rinnegan like a bit!So rinnegan is the mutation of byakugan!
Most important point of uchiha-hyuga relationship!
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The Uchiha are represented by the Phoenix

The Chinese Phoenix is called Fenghuang, and is the second most-respected legendary creature (second to the dragon), mostly used to represent the empress. The phoenix is the 'King of Birds". Also known as the "vermilion bird," and the "substance of the flame." It personifies the primordial force of the heavens.

Uchiha are second to the Senju
Uchiha are connected to birds, as are the Hyuga

A Phoenix's body symbolizes the six celestial bodies. The head is the sky, the eyes are the sun, the back is the moon, the wings are the wind, the feet are the earth, and the tail is the planets. Its feathers contain the five fundamental colors: black, white, red, blue and yellow. It is also sometimes depicted as having three legs. It is believed that phoenix only appear in areas or places that are blessed with utmost peace and prosperity or happiness.

The Six Paths.
Rinnegan lets the user control all 5 elements.
Supports the idea that the Rinnegan can only be unlocked through "peace and prosperity or happiness" unlike the Sharingan which activates with different emotions.

The Rinnegan
The Phoenix is the Uchiha's true potential, it is the Rinnegan. This ability can be unlocked by the Uchiha with Hashirama/Senju DNA.
The Uchiha's connection the phoenix branches off from their connection to birds. In Chinese/Japanese Mythology the phoenix is the king of birds. That's the connection I made.

There's also the image of a bird in Naka shrine, which has phoenix like attributes and has a flame on both sides:
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here we can see neji within the phoneix:
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i will read all ur theory later..i have read upto 2 points.and i like it!
u atleast could have waited for my 2nd part of my theory!
Dude if I add those points it will become my own book, that's why I had to make it short...:)
 

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Really nice and well done theories.

You must be tired from writing all this ..


Anyway my favorite was 3 the sakura theroy .

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I personally disagree with the Hyuga being a subset clan.


While Kakashi said it was rumored that the Sharingan came from the Byakugan (which is almost seemingly false), he said with confidence that they are Konoha's oldest clan. Recent chapters however showed that they weren't even an initial founding clan: It was the Uchiha and Senju. The Noble Clans of Konoha are Uchiha, Akimichi, Aburame, and Hyuga.

Only the Akimichi and Sarurobi clans were even mentioned to be joining Konoha during flashback. Which leads to this question: How could the Hyuga exist as a noble clan without even being one of the first four clans to be even joining, but also why is it more factually presented that they are the oldest clan in Konoha?! Sure they feel the power of Hashirama may be mythical, but the idea of having no clue how the village formed seems faulty. Meaning at least some general intelligence should be known of its founding.

So why would the Hyuga be mentioned and not "rumored" to be the oldest clan? Because it means of the clans present, it is the oldest historically as opposed to the oldest members of Konoha (which are Senju and Uchiha). Thus, they cannot exist as a subset of the Uchiha. Instead, I'd Sasuke they are a descendant of the Elder Son.


First, note that the Elder son isn't claimed to found Uchiha. It is his descendants. But there is no way to gauge when these descendants became known as Uchiha. Could be the Elder Son's son... Could even be hundreds of years before then. We also know despite when the formation accrues, elder and younger fueded.

As you said, Hyuga embody Yang elements of white and the sun. Most likely, during the years of feuding of elder and younger, we had some Shisui/Itachi descendants who detested the hatred and rivalry. Deciding to exclude themselves from the violence. They eventually formed Hyuga, and this was finalized before the other Elder son members, who kept their hatred, became Uchiha.

Having accepted more peaceful Yang natures, their eyes, like the Uchiha, continued to de-evolve from the Rinnegan and Elder Son Dojutsu. Instead of their eyes burning out into the Black cinders of the Uchiha's eyes, theirs stopped as the white eyes of insight.


So not Uchiha sub-branch, but Elder Son sub-branch.






As for the rest, if it's based on Chatte it's good stuff. Didn't read everything in there, but I definitely could see some Senju relations.


Rinnegan wise, considering the godly power Kaguya obtained, I'm more inclined to say Hagoromo Ootsutsuki was born with the Rinnegan. Just my opinion. Especially since his blood carried into Senju, and Uchiha with respective powers.


Uzumaki wise: agreed. Also note the Uzumaki take part in barbaric rituals according to Kushina. Or their sealing techs have barbaric methods. Example: Reaper death seal and the reverse of it. These darker themes symbolize a bit of Yin despite their blood relation of Yang.
 

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I actually loved this,
You suggesting that she have both yin and yang chakra affinity's was actually smart, because if you look back to the earlier chapters where she is explaining chakra control she says that you must balance your yin and yang energy (spiritual and physical energy), and she seemed to do this with relative ease, so that could explain her perfect chakra control.
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But when Iruka said that heaven and earth thing, it threw me off a little.


Sakura was referred to as heaven she was smart and was able to do anything, but she lacked the power.
But then I realized that she was never really taught anything, until the Tsunade arc thingy. Where she started to gain her yang affinty. She already master her yin affinty in the chunning exams, with her intelligence, gen jutsu resistance, and her strong will (inner sakura breaking Ino's jutsu). Then Tsunade taught her somethings and she improved, but she still needed more chakra, chakra control was useful but wasn't enough, and that is where the yin seal helped her.

Another similarity between her and the Senju are their names, Hashirama's branch name meanings pertain to wood and water, Toka names is that of a flowers, a peach blossom, to be exact and cherry blossom and peach blossom are related and are often confused with one another.
 

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Really nice and well done theories.

You must be tired from writing all this ..


Anyway my favorite was 3 the sakura theroy .

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Yup, thanks for rep, and appreciation, and ya it took me a lot of time, but this is the least
nice theory bro,,, nicly explained,, i enjoyed reading it,,, i like the rinnrgan part,, it seem possible
Thanks for appreciation..=D=D
Haaashh!!
I finally completed reading it.:sweat:
The theory was awesome how you related Sakura's clan, Byakugan and Uchiha clan.
You deserves a rep and a thanks.
YTa I know it was bit lenghty and that's why I am thinking about making it short, thanks for appreciation though..
I actually loved this,
You suggesting that she have both yin and yang chakra affinity's was actually smart, because if you look back to the earlier chapters where she is explaining chakra control she says that you must balance your yin and yang energy (spiritual and physical energy), and she seemed to do this with relative ease, so that could explain her perfect chakra control.
You must be registered for see images

But when Iruka said that heaven and earth thing, it threw me off a little.


Sakura was referred to as heaven she was smart and was able to do anything, but she lacked the power.
But then I realized that she was never really taught anything, until the Tsunade arc thingy. Where she started to gain her yang affinty. She already master her yin affinty in the chunning exams, with her intelligence, gen jutsu resistance, and her strong will (inner sakura breaking Ino's jutsu). Then Tsunade taught her somethings and she improved, but she still needed more chakra, chakra control was useful but wasn't enough, and that is where the yin seal helped her.

Another similarity between her and the Senju are their names, Hashirama's branch name meanings pertain to wood and water, Toka names is that of a flowers, a peach blossom, to be exact and cherry blossom and peach blossom are related and are often confused with one another.
Well there are quiet comprehensive bit of similarities between Sakura Haruno and Senju clan, and that's what Chatte proved, I strongly believe that, Sakura is from sub-clan of Senju clan.
And yes Sakura did lack power, she didn't have huge chakra reserves but what she had was great brain and superior healing techs that certainly make her Yin part of Yang senjus.
I personally disagree with the Hyuga being a subset clan.


While Kakashi said it was rumored that the Sharingan came from the Byakugan (which is almost seemingly false), he said with confidence that they are Konoha's oldest clan. Recent chapters however showed that they weren't even an initial founding clan: It was the Uchiha and Senju. The Noble Clans of Konoha are Uchiha, Akimichi, Aburame, and Hyuga.

Only the Akimichi and Sarurobi clans were even mentioned to be joining Konoha during flashback. Which leads to this question: How could the Hyuga exist as a noble clan without even being one of the first four clans to be even joining, but also why is it more factually presented that they are the oldest clan in Konoha?! Sure they feel the power of Hashirama may be mythical, but the idea of having no clue how the village formed seems faulty. Meaning at least some general intelligence should be known of its founding.

So why would the Hyuga be mentioned and not "rumored" to be the oldest clan? Because it means of the clans present, it is the oldest historically as opposed to the oldest members of Konoha (which are Senju and Uchiha). Thus, they cannot exist as a subset of the Uchiha. Instead, I'd Sasuke they are a descendant of the Elder Son.


First, note that the Elder son isn't claimed to found Uchiha. It is his descendants. But there is no way to gauge when these descendants became known as Uchiha. Could be the Elder Son's son... Could even be hundreds of years before then. We also know despite when the formation accrues, elder and younger fueded.

As you said, Hyuga embody Yang elements of white and the sun. Most likely, during the years of feuding of elder and younger, we had some Shisui/Itachi descendants who detested the hatred and rivalry. Deciding to exclude themselves from the violence. They eventually formed Hyuga, and this was finalized before the other Elder son members, who kept their hatred, became Uchiha.

Having accepted more peaceful Yang natures, their eyes, like the Uchiha, continued to de-evolve from the Rinnegan and Elder Son Dojutsu. Instead of their eyes burning out into the Black cinders of the Uchiha's eyes, theirs stopped as the white eyes of insight.


So not Uchiha sub-branch, but Elder Son sub-branch.






As for the rest, if it's based on Chatte it's good stuff. Didn't read everything in there, but I definitely could see some Senju relations.


Rinnegan wise, considering the godly power Kaguya obtained, I'm more inclined to say Hagoromo Ootsutsuki was born with the Rinnegan. Just my opinion. Especially since his blood carried into Senju, and Uchiha with respective powers.


Uzumaki wise: agreed. Also note the Uzumaki take part in barbaric rituals according to Kushina. Or their sealing techs have barbaric methods. Example: Reaper death seal and the reverse of it. These darker themes symbolize a bit of Yin despite their blood relation of Yang.
1. Actually this thought came to my mind too, but there is one thing that certainly makes elder son totally different from Hyuuga and that are his eyes, his eyes are totally different from Byakugan and you clearly say that he is more related to Uchiha rather than Hyuugas..
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The next thing is there are few things that are common between Byakugan abilities and Sharingan abilities, that makes me thing that somehow this dojutsus are related, and considering the Yin-Yang logic(Yin needs to be converted into Yang), I belive that there is a possiblity of subclan in both the cases, and in case of Uchiha it is Hyuuga(I mentioned that in thread, probably you overlooked it).
2. Rinnegan wise I don't think sage was born with rinnegan, in fact nobody can born with dojutsu, except Byakugan, because I don't think there is any logic to support this thought that 'sage was born with rinnegan'..:yeah:
3. Uzumaki clan and their sealing techs are certainly related to Yin-Yang, and your example certainly provides another support to this theory..:yeah:
 
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