EMS > Transplanted Rinnegan

[Onetimepost2]

IMO ems sasuke and madara could defeat nagato because their eyes were a part of them when they were born.

Everybody thinks Rinnegan Madara> Nagato because he achieved those eyes through progression whereas nagato simply received it.

Nagato cant summon meteors because he doesn't have the uchiha power so imo UCHIHA POWER > Transplanted Rinnegan

 

[thunderthehybrid]

Of course they can beat Nagato.

 

[ANiMUS]

Rinnengan is incapable of ocular genjutsu. That + shared vision make it prone to sharingan genjutsu attacks. Basically, sharingan genjutsu is Rinnengan's weakness.

 

[Sir Blades]

I still think Nagato> Sauce.

 

[Xlad]

Madara beats Nagato because he can't absorb PS Shockwaves. The same may be said for Sasuke.

 

[-Punk-]

Sauske doesn't beat Nagato .

 

[Kαmi]

I'm still shaky on Nagato and Sasuke right now. Sasuke seems like he would win due to PS hype but I really wish we could get some feats to back that up better. Sasuke's my favorite so I hate to say he can beat somebody with just hype. It's distasteful..

OT: I agree but Nagato isn't a pushover. Rinnegan is OP

 

[JustSomeRandomGuy]

The Sharingan is basically an evolution of the Rinnegan. So I don't think that it would be a foreign idea for a Sharigan user to beat a Rinnegan user. Plus genjutsu was Pein's weakness... So yes, Sasuke could have easily beaten Nagato, Itachi would have been even better. Heck he did beat him.

What makes Madara different is that he can use both Sharingan techs and Rinnegan techs. Which would make Rinnegan > just plain EMS in that case.

 

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IMO ems sasuke and madara could defeat nagato because their eyes were a part of them when they were born.

Everybody thinks Rinnegan Madara> Nagato because he achieved those eyes through progression whereas nagato simply received it.

Nagato cant summon meteors because he doesn't have the uchiha power so imo UCHIHA POWER > Transplanted Rinnegan

umm its because madara has senju dna in him thats how he can summon the meteor.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Rinnengan is incapable of ocular genjutsu. That + shared vision make it prone to sharingan genjutsu attacks. Basically, sharingan genjutsu is Rinnengan's weakness.

How is Rinnegan incapable of ocular genjutsus? It's what can create all jutsus isn't it? How is a weaker devolve version of it going to overpower it? Itachi didn't use any Genjutsus on edo Nagato or his shared vision summonings. Itachi used it on Bee so why not nagato? Unless he knew it wouldn't work on Nagato but didn't know it wouldn't work on Bee.

IMO ems sasuke and madara could defeat nagato because their eyes were a part of them when they were born.

Everybody thinks Rinnegan Madara> Nagato because he achieved those eyes through progression whereas nagato simply received it.

Nagato cant summon meteors because he doesn't have the uchiha power so imo UCHIHA POWER > Transplanted Rinnegan

Nagato and Madara both have both Uchiha and Senju/Uzumaki's DNA to be like the Sage. Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan as the Rinnegan instead of the 3 tomoes (Like Kakashi) which can go MS then EMS (most likely) so he only master the Rinnegan. Madara mastered the Sharingan far beyond anyone and seem to have master the Rinnegan before he died. Nagato learned all chakra elements so what's to stop him from using kekkei genkais like Jinton? Rinnegan is the creation of all jutsus so they say.

 

[Onetimepost2]

How is Rinnegan incapable of ocular genjutsus? It's what can create all jutsus isn't it? How is a weaker devolve version of it going to overpower it? Itachi didn't use any Genjutsus on edo Nagato or his shared vision summonings. Itachi used it on Bee so why not nagato? Unless he knew it wouldn't work on Nagato but didn't know it wouldn't work on Bee.



Nagato and Madara both have both Uchiha and Senju/Uzumaki's DNA to be like the Sage. Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan as the Rinnegan instead of the 3 tomoes (Like Kakashi) which can go MS then EMS (most likely) so he only master the Rinnegan. Madara mastered the Sharingan far beyond anyone and seem to have master the Rinnegan before he died. Nagato learned all chakra elements so what's to stop him from using kekkei genkais like Jinton? Rinnegan is the creation of all jutsus so they say.

Nagato has Uchiha DNA????? you high boy?

 

[Avinash012]

IMO we haven't seen Rinnegan's as well as Nagato's full potential ....

IMO Nagato can beat both EMS Sasuke as well as EMS Madara (without Kyuubi) without intel..

Since most of base belives that EMS Madara can beat Nagato's ..I'll go with them

As of now Sasuke can't beat Nagato..

 

[xxSAGExx]

Nagato has Uchiha DNA????? you high boy?

The Rinnegan are Madara's eyes, therefore his DNA. Obito called Nagato the 3rd of the 6th path which are those who have the sage's power

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The Sharingan is basically an evolution of the Rinnegan. So I don't think that it would be a foreign idea for a Sharigan user to beat a Rinnegan user. Plus genjutsu was Pein's weakness... So yes, Sasuke could have easily beaten Nagato, Itachi would have been even better. Heck he did beat him.

What makes Madara different is that he can use both Sharingan techs and Rinnegan techs. Which would make Rinnegan > just plain EMS in that case.

Wrong, EMS evolves to the Rinnegan.

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The Rinnegan created all of ninjutsus

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. Genjutsuis not Pain's weakness, Sound genjutsu is which is also Itachi's and Sasuke's weaknesses since Kabuto caught them both in one and they only escape by using a genjutsu on each other to break out, in a 1 on 1 they would have been beaten

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. No visual genjutsu have even been shown to beat Nagato, Itachi didn't even use genjutsu on him but did on Bee who he had no knowledge on.

 

[Meee]

Whether it was unlocked or transplanted shouldn't matter

Rinnegan > EMS

 

[Onetimepost2]

The Rinnegan are Madara's eyes, therefore his DNA. Obito called Nagato the 3rd of the 6th path which are those who have the sage's power

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Wrong, EMS evolves to the Rinnegan.

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The Rinnegan created all of ninjutsus

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. Genjutsuis not Pain's weakness, Sound genjutsu is which is also Itachi's and Sasuke's weaknesses since Kabuto caught them both in one and they only escape by using a genjutsu on each other to break out, in a 1 on 1 they would have been beaten

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. No visual genjutsu have even been shown to beat Nagato, Itachi didn't even use genjutsu on him but did on Bee who he had no knowledge on.

NAgato did not have uchiha dna and heres why..........madaras eyes evolved into the rinnegan and he can still use sussano and sharigan techs with it.....if nagato had he would be able to use sharigan techs like madara could....he obv cant soooo

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[ANiMUS]

How is Rinnegan incapable of ocular genjutsus? It's what can create all jutsus isn't it? How is a weaker devolve version of it going to overpower it? Itachi didn't use any Genjutsus on edo Nagato or his shared vision summonings. Itachi used it on Bee so why not nagato? Unless he knew it wouldn't work on Nagato but didn't know it wouldn't work on Bee.



Nagato and Madara both have both Uchiha and Senju/Uzumaki's DNA to be like the Sage. Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan as the Rinnegan instead of the 3 tomoes (Like Kakashi) which can go MS then EMS (most likely) so he only master the Rinnegan. Madara mastered the Sharingan far beyond anyone and seem to have master the Rinnegan before he died. Nagato learned all chakra elements so what's to stop him from using kekkei genkais like Jinton? Rinnegan is the creation of all jutsus so they say.

Rinnengan lacks the capability to use the abilities of sharingan. This includes MS techs., perception ability, and yes genjutsu. Even Madara who has EMS and Rinnengan reverts his eye back to EMS before casting genjutsu. Since Nagato is stuck in Rinnengan he can't use the MS techs. No piercing eye, no breaking genjutsu.

The Rinnengan is the ultimate ocular doujutsu in terms of ninjutsu, but sharingan pwns with genjutsu

 

[xxSAGExx]

NAgato did not have uchiha dna and heres why..........madaras eyes evolved into the rinnegan and he can still use sussano and sharigan techs with it.....if nagato had he would be able to use sharigan techs like madara could....he obv cant soooo

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Madara said Nagato from the Senju linage, Nagato was the only other one to summon Gedo Mazo and you need to have the Rinnegan to summon it (

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). Madara saying you need awaken Rinnegan with both Senju and Uchiha power and you need both to control Gedo Mazo. Madara said because Obito has Senju power (Obviously he has Uchiha power) that he could still control Gedo Mezo. Uchiha+Senju/Uzumaki= summoning/controlling Gedo mezo.

And Obito calling him a path of Sage means he has both powers. He can use the 6 elements, fire/water/earth/lightning/wind/ying-yang. plus the 6 Path abilities. Eyes are still DNA, you have to connect your nerves to the eye to see. Like how when Sasuke got Itachi's eyes and got his power.

 

[Seventh Sama]

If nagato was transplanted a ems that evolved into rinnegan, then he would've had ems techs. well this is just my theory.....

 

[xxSAGExx]

Rinnengan lacks the capability to use the abilities of sharingan. This includes MS techs., perception ability, and yes genjutsu. Even Madara who has EMS and Rinnengan reverts his eye back to EMS before casting genjutsu. Since Nagato is stuck in Rinnengan he can't use the MS techs. No piercing eye, no breaking genjutsu.

The Rinnengan is the ultimate ocular doujutsu in terms of ninjutsu, but sharingan pwns with genjutsu

But Madara was using Susanoo with Rinnegan. Idk if it can or can't cast Genjutsus but I don't see a reason why it can't when the Sharingan evolves into it. Maybe Nagato just wasn't a genjutsu type like Naruto and Jiraiya? I don't think visual genjutsu works on Nagato or else Itachi could have used Tsukuyomi or other genjutsu but didn't. He only used a genjutsu on Bee (haven't seen he fight a prefect Jin before so most likely didn't know they can break out).

Itachi whole plan on beating Kabuto was to use genjutsu so why not on Pain? Because it wouldn't work on him or he'll just break them.

Also That was Madara's wood clone what used Genjutsu, they're in Susanoo while Madara isn't

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If nagato was transplanted a ems that evolved into rinnegan, then he would've had ems techs. well this is just my theory.....

I agree with your theory, just like how Kakashi has 3 tomoes that goes MS.

 

[naruttebayo]

madara wins because of PS

but saus will lose imo :yeah: