[VS] EMS Sasuke vs EMS Madara

[Draphsin]

Aka Tsukuyomi. So no it is not utter non-sense. Tsukuyomi IS THE GENJUTSU of MS. Tsukuyomi is name of the genjutsu that you do with MS. Do you understand that??

Also instead of cutting a small part, why did you not post the whole scan??

Do you have holes in your head?

I cut out the picture to make it easier for you to understand, sadly it had the opposite effect. u_u

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Notice the difference? Itachi uses his genjutsu which is tsukuyomi, & sasuke uses his sharingan genjutsu. How hard is it for you to understand that the jutsus are different, otherwise why bother naming the genjutsus. If its immediately implied that tsukuyomi = MS genjutsu then why did kishi bother showing us the difference?


You have absolutely no explanation other than your diluted assumptions. Now please amuse me, what will be your horrific counter to this? I wonder.. Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

Do you have holes in your head?

I cut out the picture to make it easier for you to understand, sadly it had the opposite effect. u_u

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Notice the difference? Itachi uses his genjutsu which is tsukuyomi, & sasuke uses his sharingan genjutsu. How hard is it for you to understand that the jutsus are different, otherwise why bother naming the genjutsus. If its immediately implied that tsukuyomi = MS genjutsu then why did kishi bother showing us the difference?


You have absolutely no explanation other than your diluted assumptions. Now please amuse me, what will be your horrific counter to this? I wonder.. Lol

I simply wanted to see when it happened...

However, just like you stated Kishi bothered to show us the difference. Because originally MS genjutsu automatically = Tsukuyomi, however, Kishimoto showed us that during that time Sasuke used normal genjutsu through EMS.

So the difference here doesn't apply to Madara.. it only applies to Sasuke.


This is implied as Tsukuyomi.

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[Xlad]

Ay said that he got downed by a simple Sharingan genjutsu, KingHighOnHash.

 

[Varrah]

:vincent:

Sadly, the emphasis put on the EMS kind of sh*ts on your statement. On top of that you guys have this weird sense of logic, that tells you that any MS genjutsu that is not on the level of Itachi's tsukuyomi is not Tsukuyomi..... All three of MS users (excluding obito/Shisui/Kakashi/Izuna) have used Tsukuyomi.


See what you are giving me is your assumption on that it was not tsukuyomi. However, only known genjutsu with EMS is tsukuyomi. Why would he not use tsukuyomi, if he has the EMS? Where is the common sense here?

Before I began delving into another outlook KingHashirama, you believe Madara has Tsukuyomi, correct? I do not want to assume, and I want to be reasonably thoroughly in my response. ​

 

[Unorthodox]

stalemate or sasuke wins

@KG

ps is the same size as ps

v1 susanoos same sizes
v2 susanoo same sizes
v3 susanoo same sizes

 

[KidGamer65]

stalemate or sasuke wins

@KG

ps is the same size as ps

v1 susanoos same sizes
v2 susanoo same sizes
v3 susanoo same sizes

They haven't. I already showed that Madara's V3 and V4 are bigger. His V1 and V2 are bigger as well.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Madara takes this [

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]. Madara>Current Sasuke.

 

[Touken]

Peeps are forgetting that when you're attacked, you lose chakra/stamina if damaged. Sasuke has yet to be damaged in this fight due to Hiraishin from Minato/Tobirama saving him, whereas Madara was constantly under attack from Hashirama's large scale Mokuton. Using Uchiha techs when you've got EMS doesn't seem to affect the user's chakra one bit from what we've seen in the manga, but getting hurt and damaged does.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Madara takes this, mid difficulty.

Hashirama > EMS Madara

Sasuke > Hashirama ??

GTFO.

In fact, i take that back; Madara takes this low difficulty.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Madara takes this, mid difficulty.

Hashirama > EMS Madara

Sasuke > Hashirama

GTFO.

In fact, i take that back; Madara takes this low difficulty.

Hashirama babyshakes Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

Peeps are forgetting that when you're attacked, you lose chakra/stamina if damaged. Sasuke has yet to be damaged in this fight due to Hiraishin from Minato/Tobirama saving him, whereas Madara was constantly under attack from Hashirama's large scale Mokuton. Using Uchiha techs when you've got EMS doesn't seem to affect the user's chakra one bit from what we've seen in the manga, but getting hurt and damaged does.

False.

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Susanoo took most of the damage but he still took damage, also, since when did you lose chakra from getting damaged?

 

[Awkward Linguist]

was showing off your vocabulary that really necessary? In short, we don't know enough about the full extend of either Uchiha's EMS abilities.

I couldn't help lol at this.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara takes this, mid difficulty.

Hashirama > EMS Madara

Sasuke > Hashirama

GTFO.

In fact, i take that back; Madara takes this low difficulty.

I hope you aren't implying that Sasuke needs to be more powerful than Hashirama to beat EMS Madara w/o Kurama....cause the gap between the two (Hashirama and EMS Madara w/o Kurama) is large enough for Sasuke to surpass Madara but not be able to beat Hashirama.

 

[Touken]

Because it affects the body, which indirectly affects your stamina. You said yourself that chakra and stamina go hand-in-hand, which it does. There's more examples but I'll use this one: when Tobirama used Hiraishingiri on Izuna, his Sharingan deactivated due to the damage his body took. You could say that he never had it activated but that's illogical. I'll try to find another example before I go for my bath.

Sasuke was barely damaged from that blow he took, it didn't even draw blood, and the fact that Obito's been holding back due to regret shows that he didn't go all out with that attack.

 

[Draphsin]

I simply wanted to see when it happened...

Shouldnt matter, you told me to post a scan of any regular genjutsu being cast with the mangekyou.

However, just like you stated Kishi bothered to show us the difference. Because originally MS genjutsu automatically = Tsukuyomi, however, Kishimoto showed us that during that time Sasuke used normal genjutsu through EMS.

So the difference here doesn't apply to Madara.. it only applies to Sasuke.

@Bold: Stop spouting bullsh*t & post some proof.

& LMFAO...Okay so you told me and I quote that "Tsukuyomi is the ONLY EMS genjutsu." I merely proved your bullsh*t wrong. It only being shown by sasuke is irrelevant lol, you failed when you said that tsukuyomi is the only EMS genjutsu because the manga clearly proves otherwise.

This is implied as Tsukuyomi.

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Now as for this bs, how do you know that's tsukuyomi? How do you know madara has it? If that was tsukuyomi then why the hell didnt A get knocked out cold like kakashi?

Now enough, I proved you wrong. Sasuke has shown a regular genjutsu through the use of his MS, so you have nothing which supports your speculation that madara used tsukuyomi.

 

[KingHashirama]

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Before I began delving into another outlook KingHashirama, you believe Madara has Tsukuyomi, correct? I do not want to assume, and I want to be reasonably thoroughly in my response. ​

Yes i believed Madara has Tsukuyomi. Unlike Sasuke who has shown he can use Normal Genjutsu in EMS.. Madara has not. Why should I assume ?

 

[KingHashirama]

Shouldnt matter, you told me to post a scan of any regular genjutsu being cast with the mangekyou.

@Bold: Stop spouting bullsh*t & post some proof.
& LMFAO...Okay so you told me and I quote that "Tsukuyomi is the ONLY EMS genjutsu." I merely proved your bullsh*t wrong. It only being shown by sasuke is irrelevant lol, you failed when you said that tsukuyomi is the only EMS genjutsu because the manga clearly proves otherwise.
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Now as for this bs, how do you know that's tsukuyomi? How do you know madara has it? If that was tsukuyomi then why the hell didnt A get knocked out cold like kakashi
Now enough, I proved you wrong. Sasuke has shown a regular genjutsu through the use of his MS, so you have nothing which supports your speculation that madara used tsukuyomi.

Yes i did.. and that means I was saying "I don't care when it took place"? no... I wanted a scan. And since you provided it to me don't see why you are so butt hurt about it.

What do you want me to post.. What proof? The fact that this was the first time that a "normal sharingan genjutsu" was used through a MS? Or the fact this only applies to Sasuke?

And as I recall the original topic was " Madara used EMS".. while "Tsukuyomi is the only EMS genjutsu" was only a fragment of the argument (which you proved me wrong in).

"Why the hell didn't A get knocked out cold like Kakashi?"... same reason why Danzo didn't against Sasuke. Why doesn't Itachi have a PS like Madara's? Oh wait cause he hasn't mastered it. Why doesn't Itachi have Amaterasy control like Sasuke? Oh cause he hasn't mastered it.

Notice how Ay was starting to get knocked out and got on his knee. So you make a assumption from a scan about Sasuke's ability to use normal genjutsu through EMS....and then apply it to someone like Madara who hasn't shown that ability? But yet you say I am making BS statements.... Where is the logic here?

 

[Murasame]

Shouldnt matter, you told me to post a scan of any regular genjutsu being cast with the mangekyou.



@Bold: Stop spouting bullsh*t & post some proof.

& LMFAO...Okay so you told me and I quote that "Tsukuyomi is the ONLY EMS genjutsu." I merely proved your bullsh*t wrong. It only being shown by sasuke is irrelevant lol, you failed when you said that tsukuyomi is the only EMS genjutsu because the manga clearly proves otherwise.

[/SPOILER]

Now as for this bs, how do you know that's tsukuyomi? How do you know madara has it? If that was tsukuyomi then why the hell didnt A get knocked out cold like kakashi?

Now enough, I proved you wrong. Sasuke has shown a regular genjutsu through the use of his MS, so you have nothing which supports your speculation that madara used tsukuyomi.

Draphsin don't waste your time with someone like KingMoron.. apparently he believes that if it isn't stated outright by the character's word's then it isn't true even if there was evidence shown that it was true.

 

[Draphsin]

Yes i did.. and that means I was saying "I don't care when it took place"? no... I wanted a scan. And since you provided it to me don't see why you are so butt hurt about it.

Because it should've been easier for you to understand.

What do you want me to post.. What proof? The fact that this was the first time that a "normal sharingan genjutsu" was used through a MS? Or the fact this only applies to Sasuke?

Fact that this only applies to sasuke.

And as I recall the original topic was " Madara used EMS".. while "Tsukuyomi is the only EMS genjutsu" was only a fragment of the argument (which you proved me wrong in).

I dont care about what ever else you were arguing about. As you said I simply showed you that tsukuyomi is not the only EMS genjutsu.

"Why the hell didn't A get knocked out cold like Kakashi?"... same reason why Danzo didn't against Sasuke. Why doesn't Itachi have a PS like Madara's? Oh wait cause he hasn't mastered it. Why doesn't Itachi have Amaterasy control like Sasuke? Oh cause he hasn't mastered it.

Sasuke didnt use tsukuyomi against danzo.

Itachi doesnt have EMS, so how could he possibly expect to obtain PS?

Itachi doesnt have enton because its sasuke's mangekyou sharingan jutsu. Ama/enton, Itachi has ama/tsuku.

This has nothing to do with mastery, when has tsukuyomi specifically been shown? When Itachi uses it. Nobody else has been given the ability & it has never been suggested.

Notice how Ay was starting to get knocked out and got on his knee. So you make a assumption from a scan about Sasuke's ability to use normal genjutsu through EMS....and then apply it to someone like Madara who hasn't shown that ability? But yet you say I am making BS statements.... Where is the logic here?

Sasuke did the same thing to Cee with a regular 3-T genjutsu, he even felt strain in his eye. Does that make it tsukuyomi? No.

Point being that tsukuyomi =/= all MS genjutsus, so saying that madara used it is baseless. I am done, continue if you want but I cannot make it any simpler than I already have.

 

[Bronze]

Madara neg diff.