do we have free choice ?

[Troi]

I'm sorry but your way of thinking and the way you explain things is just silly.

 

[Light yagami Kira]

You are obviously fooled by false assumptions. Tell me, why, why would he do such a thing to his people?

you are wrong ... the jews are not his people ... EVERYONE is his people he is the source to EVERYTHING!

 

[Light yagami Kira]

forget about god for a second... if there was a person who knew ALL the phisics rules he had the same ability as god... to predict the universe and the atums... all the religous stuff is just bullshit that we created to answear something we dont know ...

 

[Troi]

you are wrong ... the jews are not his people ... EVERYONE is his people he is the source to EVERYTHING!

Because you have proof, right? If you are going by that, if he is everyone, we are him. So I am also you which makes absolutely no sense since we are two different beings, obviously.

forget about god for a second... if there was a person who knew ALL the phisics rules he had the same ability as god... to predict the universe and the atums... all the religous stuff is just bullshit that we created to answear something we dont know ...

In no way, shape or form does that mean we don't make our own choices... And do you know what physics is?..

 

[Light yagami Kira]

Because you have proof, right? If you are going by that, if he is everyone, we are him. So I am also you which makes absolutely no sense since we are two different beings, obviously.

i will give you a proof that god exist but you will now undersrtand it

 

[Light yagami Kira]

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[Light yagami Kira]

i can explain it to you but it will take me 10+ pages

 

[Calpal]

Religion is/are guidelines.
It doesnt predetermine youre life.
Your perception and choices do.

 

[Light yagami Kira]

Religion is/are guidelines.
It doesnt predetermine youre life.
Your perception and choices do.

that what i said.... religion is bullshit!

 

[Troi]

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This doesn't explain if you know what physics is. It shows you took a picture off of the internet and posted it. Someone or something having a full understanding of physics wouldn't mean they could make our choices for us. That is stupid.

 

[Calpal]

that what i said.... religion is bullshit!

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Your claims are seeming to be contradictory and confusing to me. Isnt that post right there supposed to "prove that god exists"?

 

[Light yagami Kira]

god is not a big bearded man ... he is the unvierse! the big bang everything! if there was some one who knew everything (in terms of phisics and math) he would be the same level as god....

there is only one problem ... there is a simple law that says that everything came from something else ... which mean god must have came from something... but what?

 

[Troi]

that what i said.... religion is bullshit!

So you believe and can prove God exists yet you think religion is bullshit? I am beyond lost. Keep speaking, please.

 

[Troi]

god is not a big bearded man ... he is the unvierse! the big bang everything! if there was some one who knew everything (in terms of phisics and math) he would be the same level as god....

there is only one problem ... there is a simple law that says that everything came from something else ... which mean god must have came from something... but what?

What does this have to do with the topic? Lol

 

[Light yagami Kira]

Your claims are seeming to be contradictory and confusing to me. Isnt that post right there supposed to "prove that god exists"?

this is a mathmatical proof made by kurt godel ....


Definition 1: x is God-like if and only if x has as essential properties those and only those properties which are positive
Definition 2: A is an essence of x if and only if for every property B, x has B necessarily if and only if A entails B
Definition 3: x necessarily exists if and only if every essence of x is necessarily exemplified

Axiom 1: Any property entailed by—i.e., strictly implied by—a positive property is positive
Axiom 2: If a property is positive, then its negation is not positive
Axiom 3: The property of being God-like is positive
Axiom 4: If a property is positive, then it is necessarily positive
Axiom 5: Necessary existence is a positive property

Axiom 1 assumes that it is possible to single out positive properties from among all properties. Gödel comments that "Positive means positive in the moral aesthetic sense (independently of the accidental structure of the world)... It may also mean pure attribution as opposed to privation (or containing privation)." (Gödel 1995). Axioms 2, 3 and 4 can be summarized by saying that positive properties form a principal ultrafilter.

From these axioms and definitions and a few other axioms from modal logic, the following theorems can be proved:

Theorem 1: If a property is positive, then it is consistent, i.e., possibly exemplified.
Corollary 1: The property of being God-like is consistent.
Theorem 2: If something is God-like, then the property of being God-like is an essence of that thing.
Theorem 3: Necessarily, the property of being God-like is exemplified.

(from wikipedia if you intrested) this is the most simple explanation i found (my english is too bad to explain it myself sorry)

 

[Troi]

You lost me.

 

[Light yagami Kira]

What does this have to do with the topic? Lol

this is the answear for what you said... god exist but not the way most religous people think...
those people cant connect between science and religous and that where their problem begins...
the think of god as some personality which have the ability to create and destroy and that not true! god is every law exist in the universe he does not just destroy and create... he is the source for ever creature that can think ....

 

[Troi]

this is the answear for what you said... god exist but not the way most religous people think...
those people cant connect between science and religous and that where their problem begins...
the think of god as some personality which have the ability to create and destroy and that not true! god is every law exist in the universe he does not just destroy and create... he is the source for ever creature that can think ....

So why do you call IT God? Because that's what it is, at the moment. An it. Why don't you refer to it as something else? Or are you choosing to ruffle other peoples' feathers trying to stir up a religious debate? Because that's all it looks like. You still didn't give a solid explanation of why this 'above all' being makes our choices for us and if that is even somewhat true, our lives would be meaningless.

 

[Prime Rib]

people can never predict the end of the world cause only the father knows

 

[Troi]

This topic is lolzy.