[Discussion] there was a 3rd person in madara vs hashirama fight!!!

[stinkey]

u guys are confused. it is the pain he felt after the battle that made him collapse . the same that happened to sasuke vs naruto in part1

 

[HiddenSound]

If he was looking at the moon kishi would have drawn the moon

Not necessarily.
I think Madara cast a Genjutsu on the moon, it reflected off, and got Hashirama. That's how Madara escaped.
There's a theory about it somewhere.

 

[Osmon]

The 3RD Person you're Talking About Is Kurama If You Rember He Was Controlled By Madara


ITACHI SOLOS

 

[Hellas]

Not necessarily.
I think Madara cast a Genjutsu on the moon, it reflected off, and got Hashirama. That's how Madara escaped.
There's a theory about it somewhere.

It's more likely that someone was watching.
Madara couldn't possibly escaped alone due his injuries.

 

[Young Vongola]

Impossible for it to be a zetsu as Madara didn't have Hashirama's DNA to make them yet and it's way too late in the story to introduce more characters, so it can't be Izuna's son or anything like that. It's probably Hashirama snapping out of (or being put into) a genjutsu that Madara casted like some said, and the real Madara actually escaped from where Hashirama was looking.

Edit: Looking at the picture more closely, you can see that Madara's eyes are actually still open, but they're white, like how Itachi's was after he used Izanami. Maybe Madara used Izanagi and escaped, and that body we see is an illusion of Madara while the real one escaped from the direction Hashirama is looking.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

The 3RD Person you're Talking About Is Kurama If You Rember He Was Controlled By Madara


ITACHI SOLOS

hashirama noticed someone on mountain and when hashirama look up there was no one there

for your question's answer :-
if ,and only if kurama was there then why hashirama didnt saw kurama??

Not necessarily.
I think Madara cast a Genjutsu on the moon, it reflected off, and got Hashirama. That's how Madara escaped.
There's a theory about it somewhere.

lol ....if that was possible then madara most probably won the fight and if that was possible to cast genjutsu through moon then why madara bothered to revive juubi ,as he could be able to cast that infinte tsukuyomi himself

 

[Klad]

I think you're right .

I think it would be Mito Uzumaki . She betrayed Hashirama to help Madara maybe ?? Damn thatd be awesome.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Impossible for it to be a zetsu as Madara didn't have Hashirama's DNA to make them yet and it's way too late in the story to introduce more characters, so it can't be Izuna's son or anything like that. It's probably Hashirama snapping out of (or being put into) a genjutsu that Madara casted like some said, and the real Madara actually escaped from where Hashirama was looking.

Edit: Looking at the picture more closely, you can see that Madara's eyes are actually still open, but they're white, like how Itachi's was after he used Izanami. Maybe Madara used Izanagi and escaped, and that body we see is an illusion of Madara while the real one escaped from the direction Hashirama is looking.

hashirama is the kage level shinobi and he was not fool to be caught in madara's genjutsu and how he couldn't be able to see that madara was escaping ?

if that was izanagi or izanami then how madara obtained rinnegan as he should had one EMS eye ??

BTW hashirama stabbed madara from behind as hashirama didnt looked into his eyes and there was no chance of genjutsu U_U

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

I think you're right .

I think it would be Mito Uzumaki . She betrayed Hashirama to help Madara maybe ?? Damn thatd be awesome.

lol XD....... nice post dude =D

 

[blazekev90]

Very good observation!

 

[Young Vongola]

hashirama is the kage level shinobi and he was not fool to be caught in madara's genjutsu and how he couldn't be able to see that madara was escaping ?

if that was izanagi or izanami then how madara obtained rinnegan as he should had one EMS eye ??

BTW hashirama stabbed madara from behind as hashirama didnt looked into his eyes and there was no chance of genjutsu U_U

Okay, so Hashirama stabbing Madara from behind just rules out the possibility of being caught in a genjutsu at that particular moment. It could have happened here

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Anyways, if we rule out Hashirama getting caught in a genjutsu, that leaves Izanagi. You don't need eye contact for Izanagi, that's obvious, so Madara getting stabbed from behind is irrelevant. As for how Madara got the Rinnegan, don't forget that this fight happened when he was young, and he unlocked his Rinnegan right before he reached his natural lifespan. Madara had all the time in the world to receive spare eyes, and we know that he did because he ended up giving his eyes to Nagato and still had one spare left.

What I think is that Madara had a spare pair of eyes, but used one of those eyes for Izanagi, unlocked his Rinnegan at an old age, gave the Rinnegan pair to Nagato, then implanted the leftover eye from his spare pair that we see him with when he found Obito.

 

[BlueStarSaber]

Could be lady Mito she was involved in the fight somehow, though I can't be sure.

 

[Hellas]

Okay, so Hashirama stabbing Madara from behind just rules out the possibility of being caught in a genjutsu at that particular moment. It could have happened here

Spoiler

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Anyways, if we rule out Hashirama getting caught in a genjutsu, that leaves Izanagi. You don't need eye contact for Izanagi, that's obvious, so Madara getting stabbed from behind is irrelevant. As for how Madara got the Rinnegan, don't forget that this fight happened when he was young, and he unlocked his Rinnegan right before he reached his natural lifespan. Madara had all the time in the world to receive spare eyes, and we know that he did because he ended up giving his eyes to Nagato and still had one spare left.

What I think is that Madara had a spare pair of eyes, but used one of those eyes for Izanagi, unlocked his Rinnegan at an old age, gave the Rinnegan pair to Nagato, then implanted the leftover eye from his spare pair that we see him with when he found Obito.

If Madara were to use Izanagi, his body would've disappeared.

 

[H A D E S]

There's no doubt some one was there....

Question is who could it be??

 

[Young Vongola]

If Madara were to use Izanagi, his body would've disappeared.

I'm sure it did, after Hashirama passed out. Kishi wouldn't show it disappearing there because it would be obvious that it was Izanami, and that Madara escaped that way. Think about it, this was used as a "mystery" to keep readers wondering what Hashirama noticed and how Madara survived, and when Kishi reveals what it was, there will be another flashback to that point and everything will be made more clear.

 

[H A D E S]

Okay, so Hashirama stabbing Madara from behind just rules out the possibility of being caught in a genjutsu at that particular moment. It could have happened here

Spoiler

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Anyways, if we rule out Hashirama getting caught in a genjutsu, that leaves Izanagi. You don't need eye contact for Izanagi, that's obvious, so Madara getting stabbed from behind is irrelevant. As for how Madara got the Rinnegan, don't forget that this fight happened when he was young, and he unlocked his Rinnegan right before he reached his natural lifespan. Madara had all the time in the world to receive spare eyes, and we know that he did because he ended up giving his eyes to Nagato and still had one spare left.

What I think is that Madara had a spare pair of eyes, but used one of those eyes for Izanagi, unlocked his Rinnegan at an old age, gave the Rinnegan pair to Nagato, then implanted the leftover eye from his spare pair that we see him with when he found Obito.

I dont think he could use izanagi at that moment, b'cuz Izanagi requires senju dna as well to activate. So, he had just received the DNA but to really make it work he certainly needed to study it, gather more info etc, plus, he was severely wounded.
And also if Madara really used izanagi, then he would have won or the outcome would have been different. The body infront of Hashi too would have vanished.

Thats what I think.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Okay, so Hashirama stabbing Madara from behind just rules out the possibility of being caught in a genjutsu at that particular moment. It could have happened here

Spoiler

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Anyways, if we rule out Hashirama getting caught in a genjutsu, that leaves Izanagi. You don't need eye contact for Izanagi, that's obvious, so Madara getting stabbed from behind is irrelevant. As for how Madara got the Rinnegan, don't forget that this fight happened when he was young, and he unlocked his Rinnegan right before he reached his natural lifespan. Madara had all the time in the world to receive spare eyes, and we know that he did because he ended up giving his eyes to Nagato and still had one spare left.

What I think is that Madara had a spare pair of eyes, but used one of those eyes for Izanagi, unlocked his Rinnegan at an old age, gave the Rinnegan pair to Nagato, then implanted the leftover eye from his spare pair that we see him with when he found Obito.

dude .... hashirama should figured out that he was in genjutsu as hashirama was known as GOD OF SHINOBIs ,

if , and only if , hashirama caught in genjutsu then that means he noticed someone on mountain in a genjutsu??

if hashirama was in a genjutsu then that genjutsu should be over when hashirama stabbed madara with his sword and that time hashirama should noticed that he was in a genjutsu and madara escaped after casting a genjutsu

BTW hashirama knew the Medical ninjutsus too So hashirama should be able to sense that he was in genjutsu

anyway , only shisui's eyes were able to cast genjutsu that cant disturb chakra flow in a body and person couldnt be able to sense it

 

[Young Vongola]

I dont think he could use izanagi at that moment, b'cuz Izanagi requires senju dna as well to activate. So, he had just received the DNA but to really make it work he certainly needed to study it, gather more info etc, plus, he was severely wounded.
And also if Madara really used izanagi, then he would have won or the outcome would have been different. The body infront of Hashi too would have vanished.

Thats what I think.

Izanagi doesn't require Senju DNA to use..it only requires Senju DNA to be used to the fullest. Izanami and Izanagi are Uchiha techniques. The Uchiha created Izanami to stop other Uchiha from killing their family and stealing their eyes to continue using Izanagi, but that's besides the point. And I think the body did vanish after Hashirama passed out, Kishi just didn't show it there because he wanted to keep readers wondering how Madara survived.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

I'm sure it did, after Hashirama passed out. Kishi wouldn't show it disappearing there because it would be obvious that it was Izanami, and that Madara escaped that way. Think about it, this was used as a "mystery" to keep readers wondering what Hashirama noticed and how Madara survived, and when Kishi reveals what it was, there will be another flashback to that point and everything will be made more clear.

if madara casted the izanami then madara should had one EMS eye and his other eye should be blind then that means nagato should had rinnegan in his one eye socket and normal eye in his other eye socket

 

[Young Vongola]

if madara casted the izanami then madara should had one EMS eye and his other eye should be blind then that means nagato should had rinnegan in his one eye socket and normal eye in his other eye socket

Don't you know how to read? I said something about that already..

Anyways, if we rule out Hashirama getting caught in a genjutsu, that leaves Izanagi. You don't need eye contact for Izanagi, that's obvious, so Madara getting stabbed from behind is irrelevant. As for how Madara got the Rinnegan, don't forget that this fight happened when he was young, and he unlocked his Rinnegan right before he reached his natural lifespan. Madara had all the time in the world to receive spare eyes, and we know that he did because he ended up giving his eyes to Nagato and still had one spare left.

What I think is that Madara had a spare pair of eyes, but used one of those eyes for Izanagi, unlocked his Rinnegan at an old age, gave the Rinnegan pair to Nagato, then implanted the leftover eye from his spare pair that we see him with when he found Obito.