[VS] EMS Sasuke vs EMS Madara

[KingHashirama]

Any argument detailing an Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan Madara is frail—aside from Susanoo—we do not the technics of his own Mangekyō Sharingan, nor do we know the abilities which were seated in Izuna’s Mangekyō Sharingan. We only know that the effects Izuna’s dōryoku enjoined with Madara’s to create Final Susanoo. In addition to that, we know Madara, when compared to Sasuke, has had a longer duration to become accustom to the synthesizing effects of the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan; essentially the heighten insightfulness and hypnotism that are the Sharingan, and shrewdness of dōryoku from the donor’s Mangekyō Sharingan dōryoku that are now Madara’s eyes.

So, any individual drawing a conclusion from this—especially one for Sasuke—should reconsider the ambiguousness surrounding Madara; until we know Madara’s ocular powers, all conclusions are rather moot. ​

He has already shown the usage of Tsukuyomi on Ay. It is only logical to assume is he capable of Amaterasu.

 

[Draphsin]

He has already shown the usage of Tsukuyomi on Ay. It is only logical to assume is he capable of Amaterasu.

Wrong, just because madara used a mangekyou sharingan genjutsu doesnt mean that it was tsukuyomi.

Baseless assumption is baseless

 

[paratise]

Both sides will real more in regards to their Ocular powers. But facts are facts; Madara takes the fight rather easily.

Some of you leisurely utilize the online thesaurus far too much; so much, that it becomes obscene. You people forget that Synonyms do not - DO NOT - convey the sense of the meaning, but only present synonymous meanings, which more than half the time - sizable times - are completely incorrect contextually and logically. And for some one, who has a decent amount of vocabulary; it looks and feels rather odd. I am not trying to depreciate anyone's worth or opinion here, hence, take it as a piece of advise from me.

Bolded should not be hidden in spoiler everyone who are choking on thesaurus, being much less understandable and look only pretentious as a result should see it.


OT: So far; Madara is superior until Sasuke surpasses him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Him having far more Stamina than Sasuke at EMS level is an assumption.

Stamina and chakra go hand in hand, and from what we've seen Madara's chakra is much larger than Sasuke's. It was even stated he was born with a ridiculous amount of chakra by Uchiha standards. I'm not seeing how EMS would put Sasuke on that level chakra wise, but anything's possible.

1- Your talking as if we've seen Sasuke Perfect Standing... Also 50percent Kurama is holding back it's full size anyways...

-I don't need to see it standing to know it will be smaller than Madara's.

-The bold is a flat out lie.

2- Where is your proof Sasuke used Susanoo and Amaterasu like crazy in the 5kage summit arc... Not to mention it was his first time doing all of that plus he used it like crazy while fighting Danzo...Thats was Ms alone and that gives you drawback...

Stamina and chakra go hand in hand, and from what we've seen Madara's chakra is much larger than Sasuke's. It was even stated he was born with a ridiculous amount of chakra by Uchiha standards. I'm not seeing how EMS would put Sasuke on that level chakra wise, but anything's possible.

Maybe its not FAR more, but from what the manga shows its clearly more.

3- Not really people are just jumping in and saying Madara because he's Madara... Madara regular Susanoo showed no size advantage or durability advantage over Sasuke's and Itachi's regular Susanoo so i don't believe his Ps would...

His Susanoo most definitely showed a size difference from theirs.

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PS will be no different. You act surprised people are saying Madara when Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo pretty much has no feats by itself yet.

Also Sasuke is clearly more skilled Imo... In a battle without Susanoo Madara only has Giant Katon... Sasuke has Amaterasu Summonings Enton Etc... Ems Sasuke is more versatile so he wins Imo...

-How does this make any sense whatsoever? So since Sasuke has more techniques that pretty much don't matter in the face of Perfect Susanoo, he beats Madara? lmao, no.

 

[shelke]

Stamina and chakra go hand in hand, and from what we've seen Madara's chakra is much larger than Sasuke's. It was even stated he was born with a ridiculous amount of chakra by Uchiha standards. I'm not seeing how EMS would put Sasuke on that level chakra wise, but anything's possible.

Never denied it. But that is a tale of the past. It was never a comparison for all times. If you have any proof, then this statement has credibility. Sasuke's chakra reserves were hyped in part one by Kakashi as well. I am pretty sure they didn't remain stuck there. My point is based on feats. Sasuke has been using MS and new EMS techs - on and off - for quite a while now. He has yet to even sweat once. That proves something.

Bolded should not be hidden in spoiler everyone who are choking on thesaurus, being much less understandable and look only pretentious as a result should see it.

Lol Ouch. I didn't mean to insult anyone. It really was a genuine piece of advise.

 

[paratise]

Lol Ouch. I didn't mean to insult anyone. It really was a genuine piece of advise.

I know you didn't.
I am just saying (a little harshly,i know) some people are being almost ridiculous in utmost levels with such try-hard things. People look synonims for being more understandable; not less. There is no point of sounding like a power metal band with posts.

 

[shelke]

^ I get your point and I agree.

 

[Misconception]

Stamina and chakra go hand in hand, and from what we've seen Madara's chakra is much larger than Sasuke's. It was even stated he was born with a ridiculous amount of chakra by Uchiha standards. I'm not seeing how EMS would put Sasuke on that level chakra wise, but anything's possible.



-I don't need to see it standing to know it will be smaller than Madara's.

-The bold is a flat out lie.



Stamina and chakra go hand in hand, and from what we've seen Madara's chakra is much larger than Sasuke's. It was even stated he was born with a ridiculous amount of chakra by Uchiha standards. I'm not seeing how EMS would put Sasuke on that level chakra wise, but anything's possible.

Maybe its not FAR more, but from what the manga shows its clearly more.



His Susanoo most definitely showed a size difference from theirs.

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level 4.

PS will be no different. You act surprised people are saying Madara when Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo pretty much has no feats by itself yet.


-How does this make any sense whatsoever? So since Sasuke has more techniques that pretty much don't matter in the face of Perfect Susanoo, he beats Madara? lmao, no.

Let me start it out with the Susanoo level 3... Sasuke's is far bigger than Madara's...

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Sasuke Susanoo is just as big as Kurama and thats not even standing up... His level3 is as Big as Bijuu which is far bigger than Madara's...

Thats not level 4 thats unstabilized Ps without legs..

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Let me show you why this 50percent is restricting His Susanoo size...

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Clearly his Susanoo's head is bigger than Kurama's but it gets smaller to fit it...

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All Naruto did was add Senjutsu so it would be affective... Sasuke Ps blade broke the Nonuboku thats enough feats for me...

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Here we see Kurama chakra tails stretching and Sasuke Susanoo still covering the stretched chakra tails...

 

[KingHashirama]

Wrong, just because madara used a mangekyou sharingan genjutsu doesnt mean that it was tsukuyomi.

Baseless assumption is baseless

False. Tsukuyomi is the ONLY EMS genjutsu.....unless you can show me someone who used a normal genjutsu with just MS. =]. So sorry but your sad excuse won't work here.

 

[Draphsin]

False. Tsukuyomi is the ONLY EMS genjutsu.....unless you can show me someone who used a normal genjutsu with just MS. =]. So sorry but your sad excuse won't work here.

Fail, at least read the manga before spouting utter nonsense.

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[KidGamer65]

Never denied it. But that is a tale of the past. It was never a comparison for all times. If you have any proof, then this statement has credibility. Sasuke's chakra reserves were hyped in part one by Kakashi as well. I am pretty sure they didn't remain stuck there. My point is based on feats. Sasuke has been using MS and new EMS techs - on and off - for quite a while now. He has yet to even sweat once. That proves something.

Yeah, I see your point, but Madara fought against Hashirama for 24 hours straight with his Susanoo, with no breaks. He controlled Kurama the whole fight of the VoTE and used Perfect Susanoo near the end. That fight lasted from morning to night I believe. Madara has better stamina feats than Sasuke does.

These feats show that his stamina has increased greatly, but better than Madara? I don't think so, at least feats don't show it yet.

Let me start it out with the Susanoo level 3... Sasuke's is far bigger than Madara's...

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Sasuke Susanoo is just as big as Kurama and thats not even standing up... His level3 is as Big as Bijuu which is far bigger than Madara's...

-Compare human sized people to both Susanoos and Naruto's Avatar and you'll see that Madara's V3 is bigger than both.

-Kurama Avatar isn't even standing up either, so it standing would equal the full size of Sasuke's V3 Susanoo standing up.

-Kurama Avatar isn't as big as those v3 Susanoo, neither is Sasuke's V3. Saying it is far larger is nothing but you twisting what is shown in the manga.

Thats not level 4 thats unstabilized Ps without legs..

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Madara's Unstabilized PS is his level 4 as its the stage after level 3. Simple math.

Let me show you why this 50percent is restricting His Susanoo size...

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Clearly his Susanoo's head is bigger than Kurama's but it gets smaller to fit it...

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All Naruto did was add Senjutsu so it would be affective... Sasuke Ps blade broke the Nonuboku thats enough feats for me...

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Here we see Kurama chakra tails stretching and Sasuke Susanoo still covering the stretched chakra tails...

I thought you said that Kurama Avatar's size is being limited. I agree that Sasuke's PS is bigger than Naruto's Avatar.

 

[Misconception]

Yeah, I see your point, but Madara fought against Hashirama for 24 hours straight with his Susanoo, with no breaks. He controlled Kurama the whole fight of the VoTE and used Perfect Susanoo near the end. That fight lasted from morning to night I believe. Madara has better stamina feats than Sasuke does.

These feats show that his stamina has increased greatly, but better than Madara? I don't think so, at least feats don't show it yet.





-Compare human sized people to both Susanoos and Naruto's Avatar and you'll see that Madara's V3 is bigger than both.

-Kurama Avatar isn't even standing up either, so it standing would equal the full size of Sasuke's V3 Susanoo standing up.

-Kurama Avatar isn't as big as those v3 Susanoo, neither is Sasuke's V3. Saying it is far larger is nothing but you twisting what is shown in the manga.



Madara's Unstabilized PS is his level 4 as its the stage after level 3. Simple math.



I thought you said that Kurama Avatar's size is being limited. I agree that Sasuke's PS is bigger than Naruto's Avatar.

Regardless of the fact i refuse to believe Madara's level 4 Susanoo is as big as full Kurama...

 

[KidGamer65]

Regardless of the fact i refuse to believe Madara's level 4 Susanoo is as big as full Kurama...

lmao, manga don't lie.

 

[shelke]

Yeah, I see your point, but Madara fought against Hashirama for 24 hours straight with his Susanoo, with no breaks. He controlled Kurama the whole fight of the VoTE and used Perfect Susanoo near the end. That fight lasted from morning to night I believe. Madara has better stamina feats than Sasuke does.

These feats show that his stamina has increased greatly, but better than Madara? I don't think so, at least feats don't show it yet.

But he was exhausted by then. Sasuke still looks fresh. Which is my entire point. Even after using many techniques, he doesn't appear to be slightly tired. Which means, he has a LOT to spare at this point. That's all what I am saying.

 

[KingHashirama]

Fail, at least read the manga before spouting utter nonsense.

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Aka Tsukuyomi. So no it is not utter non-sense. Tsukuyomi IS THE GENJUTSU of MS. Tsukuyomi is name of the genjutsu that you do with MS. Do you understand that??

Also instead of cutting a small part, why did you not post the whole scan??

 

[BlackFlame44]

Aka Tsukuyomi. So no it is not utter non-sense. Tsukuyomi IS THE GENJUTSU of MS. Tsukuyomi is name of the genjutsu that you do with MS. Do you understand that??

Also instead of cutting a small part, why did you not post the whole scan??

Since when does using genjutsu during MS mean tsukuyomi?

OT:For now, Madara wins.... Fanboys need to wait for feats before wanking

 

[KingHashirama]

Since when does using genjutsu during MS mean tsukuyomi?

OT:For now, Madara wins.... Fanboys need to wait for feats before wanking

Ever since Tsukuyomi is the name for the genjutsu used in MS....

 

[BlackFlame44]

Ever since Tsukuyomi is the name for the genjutsu used in MS....

No... Tsukuyomi is when time is being manipulated not any genjutsu that sasuke uses with MS

 

[Varrah]

He has already shown the usage of Tsukuyomi on Ay. It is only logical to assume is he capable of Amaterasu.

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The Genjustu Madara casted on Ē is not Tsukuyomi: it is a standard Sharingan Genjutsu, which as I mention before, is amplified by the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan. ​

 

[KingHashirama]

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The Genjustu Madara casted on Ē is not Tsukuyomi: it is a standard Sharingan Genjutsu, which as I mention before, is amplified by the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan. ​

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Sadly, the emphasis put on the EMS kind of sh*ts on your statement. On top of that you guys have this weird sense of logic, that tells you that any MS genjutsu that is not on the level of Itachi's tsukuyomi is not Tsukuyomi..... All three of MS users (excluding obito/Shisui/Kakashi/Izuna) have used Tsukuyomi.


See what you are giving me is your assumption on that it was not tsukuyomi. However, only known genjutsu with EMS is tsukuyomi. Why would he not use tsukuyomi, if he has the EMS? Where is the common sense here?