The Strongest Jutsu

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Ignorant people who can't comprehend realism and constantly complain came up with it
Not real

Indeed.

I mean, TnJ really exist and it's because Kishimoto doesn't develop characters only in strength but mentally as well. If Obito is losing against Naruto right at this moment it is not because of PnJ, it's because Obito is mentally unstable (it was already stated in the manga that Uchiha Clan members were mentally unstable), so all requirements for TnJ were met.

ERGO, PnJ (a.k.a. bad written manga) doesn't exist, since that term is a lame excuse put by readers who don't like how mangaka and his team writes the manga.

TnJ is not trivial, it is a definite weapon applied from people with strong will against people with weaker will. As plain as that, it is a psychological defeat, a complex but rich way to create character development.

PnJ is another story... that's an excuse tagged by butthurt readers.
 

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To me without a doubt, the strongest jutsu is TNJ.....no matter how bad-ass the enemy is naruto's TNJ pawns them in the end...the only other person capable of TNJ is Hashirama.....
You're totally right.Naruto can easily defeat the SO6P and take SO6P as a student.
 

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Plot no jutsu has more feats and is stronger but tnj is next in line
 

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Let's be serious here now lads.

The most powerful Jutsu overall is definitely Sennen Goroshi.
 

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Ignorant people who can't comprehend realism and people who constantly complain came up with it
Not real

PnJ is when unrealistic impossible things happen withoutan explanation. PnJ is real some peopl abuse the use but it's real believe it.
 

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Indeed.

I mean, TnJ really exist and it's because Kishimoto doesn't develop characters only in strength but mentally as well. If Obito is losing against Naruto right at this moment it is not because of PnJ, it's because Obito is mentally unstable (it was already stated in the manga that Uchiha Clan members were mentally unstable), so all requirements for TnJ were met.

ERGO, PnJ (a.k.a. bad written manga) doesn't exist, since that term is a lame excuse put by readers who don't like how mangaka and his team writes the manga.

TnJ is not trivial, it is a definite weapon applied from people with strong will against people with weaker will. As plain as that, it is a psychological defeat, a complex but rich way to create character development.

PnJ is another story... that's an excuse tagged by butthurt readers.
Yeah that is one way of viewing it
Naruto used to be the one influenced constantly. Kurama was able to entice Naruto on multiple occasions because during those times Naruto didn't have any mental stability. Kurama's will got the best of him because Naruto had doubts within himself that he could handle things on his own
If anything "tnj" isn't just talking. there are factors that have affect as well that can influence someone in addition to persuasive dialogue. For example, obito almost persuaded Naruto due to Naruto seeing his comrades dying. Obito words weren't the only thing that affected naruto. The deaths of fellow shinobi was what put doubt into Naruto. obito's input was what pushed Naruto over the edge
 
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PnJ is when unrealistic impossible things happen withoutan explanation. PnJ is real some peopl abuse the use but it's real believe it.
Um no
The only thing I could call "plot" is sasuke performing a summoning in his fight with deidara although it was apparent he had no chakra
Something that happened that can't be explained and happened just to further the plot is what you refer to as "plot no jutsu"
But in reality its just how the story is/was written
Just accept it
 
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Mr Hiru

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Yeah that is one way of viewing it
Naruto used to be the one influenced constantly. Kurama was able to entice Naruto on multiple occasions because during those times Naruto didn't have any mental stability. Kurama's will got the best of him because Naruto had doubts within himself that he could handle things on his own
If anything "tnj" isn't just talking. there are factors that have affect as well that can influence someone in addition to persuasive dialogue. For example, obito almost persuaded Naruto due to Naruto seeing his comrades dying. Obito words weren't the only thing that affected naruto. The deaths of fellow shinobi was what put doubt into Naruto. obito's input was what pushed Naruto over the edge

Exactly. There are many ways to apply TnJ, and the main character is not the only one able to do it. In the case of Obito, he used his façade (or better said, Persona) to be apparently strong and so to be able to break Naruto's will, within his mask.

Curious thing, that "Persona" = "Mask" on the ancient Greek theatre. That Tobi is an interesting character indeed... he was a dual-mask character until the first one got broken.
 
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Strongest would probably be the tailed beast bomb, which may not exactly be a jutsu...but most unbeatable would definitely be kamui, especially considering it doesnt seem to have any usage limit.
 
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