Canon vs Non-Canon

[iiDarui]

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Canon episodes: episodes that are in both the manga and anime

Non-Canon episodes: episodes that take place in the anime that are not in the manga

I understand the two, but I only have a few things to say. First off, it's spelled canon, not cannon. Second, Non-Canon or "filler" episodes are relevant to the manga as well. Please let me explain why.

Fillers are merely events that took place in Naruto history that didn't make it to the manga. For instance, when Shino was offered into Root by Danzo when Torune stepped up and volunteered himself instead. It wasn't shown in the manga, yet it showed how he entered Root. He is in Root in the canon episodes as well as in the filler episodes. My point behind that is just because it didn't make it to that manga doesn't mean it didn't happen. People on NarutoBase treat filler events as if they didn't happen or don't exist. Raikage arm wrestling Tsunade. Non-Canon yet we know Tsunade is stronger than Ei. A filler explained that before the manga did and the filler was true as Tsunade is indeed physically stronger than him. Fillers are events/episodes used to develop a character or characters. Notice that we barely ever see Tenten in action in the manga. Masashi Kishimoto uses the anime to further develop Tenten's skills and personality and explain what the manga left out about her. In Shippuden, we hardly even see Hinatain action yet in the manga she's able to do the 64 Palms without straining herself. Kishimoto has developed his characters through the use of fillers.

So, Non-Canon episodes do count/matter/exist. Just because it didn't make it to the manga doesn't mean it didn't happen. Imagine how extensive Naruto would be if Kishimoto had added all fillers to the manga. Imagine how far back weed be. We wouldn't be in the Juubi Arc, not even close. So to save time, anime has all of the character development while Naruto's manga focuses more on the main characters and hard hitting characters.

PS: Another example is that Utakata was captured by Pein. If it weren't for the anime, we'd never have known that.

This has just been a little... thing... in Canon and Non-Canon. I mean no offense to anyone.

 

[adeshina365]

Kishimoto isn't involved in the production of the anime.

 

[Zavage10]

The anime follows the canon ,but anime is not canon. The manga is the only canon source. Anime only scenes are as good as nothing , and hold no weight in a discussion.

 

[iiDarui]

Kishimoto isn't involved in the production of the anime.

I understand that as well, but they do have to get consent from him since he is the owner of the show itself. Shonen Jump can't do whatever it wants unless they have Kishimoto's permission.

 

[NewKageism]

There are many of us who take anime as long as it has the manga main point as canon.

Plus it is better for debates.

When anime fillers, movies come out. It is safe to say not to use the material.

As long as anime follow the storyline and theme it is canon to many.

To others any anime = non cannon


For example many of us start watching/reading naruto from the anime getting us hooked


Others read the manga and got hooked like that.

 

[iiDarui]

The anime follows the canon ,but anime is not canon. The manga is the only canon source. Anime only scenes are as good as nothing , and hold no weight in a discussion.

Why not..?

 

[Zavage10]

Why not..?

,because it's not from the pen of kishimoto , therefore not authentic.

 

[iiDarui]

There are many of us who take anime as long as it has the manga main point as canon.

Plus it is better for debates.

When anime fillers, movies come out. It is safe to say not to use the material.

As long as anime follow the storyline and theme it is canon to many.

To others any anime = non cannon


For example many of us start watching/reading Naruto from the anime getting us hooked


Others read the manga and got hooked like that.

Now see, I watch the anime and am 100% caught up on the manga. That's why I'm making this argument. Fillers are simply showing us what the manga hasn't. frankly,I think fillers are great and should be a part of debates on NarutoBase... But I guess that's just me.

And I'll never go off of movies. Filler episodes are the limit. Only movies I'd actually think of going off of is Naruto 6: Road to Ninja. I see what you mean, but my words stand. Filler should be legit in debates on NarutoBase. :<

 

[NewKageism]

,because it's not from the pen of kishimoto , therefore not authentic.

Does not matter. Kishimoto went to the studio a few times. He gives permission to use his idea.

Canon bro. Most of the anime follow the story lines.

A filler a filler, but most anime are extensions of a fights or better explanation of a situation

 

[iiDarui]

,because it's not from the pen of kishimoto , therefore not authentic.

How do you know that? Do you rest at Masashi's bedside.

 

[Curse Mark]

Kishimoto isn't involved in the production of the anime.

This.

Regardless of whether or not the plot is the same, there are still drastic differences.

 

[iiDarui]

Does not matter. Kishimoto went to the studio a few times. He gives permission to use his idea.

Canon bro. Most of the anime follow the story lines.

A filler a filler, but most anime are extensions of a fights or better explanation of a situation

Yes. Extension of fights, better explanation of a situation and development of the fodder characters. Noticed why people call lesser characters fodder: because the manga had yet to show they're true skill and potential. Anime has already done than for most but people on this site refuse to use filler info.

 

[NewKageism]

This.

Regardless of whether or not the plot is the same, there are still drastic differences.

Lets get real. Before people had internet Manga artist/authors did not have to really check their material.

Prime example = Dragon Ball Z

Ever read the manga compared to the anime.

Many times things are totally different.

Now because DBZ is one of the top anime of all time. People take the anime stuff as mostly canon.
Who actually read a 1980s dragon ball manga? More people in the world watched the anime compared to reading it.
This is a fact.

When people start reading the manga more they realized stuff did not match up. However, we are at a modern time where Naruto productions at least try to follow the story line and when they don't they call it a different "Arch"


(DBZ also messed up on GT, and some of the later DBZ storyline)

 

[Zavage10]

How do you know that? Do you rest at Masashi's bedside.

Says the guy who is pushing for guren and sora to be canon characters.

 

[Joshutsu]

He has nothing to do with fillers, yes they can't go and break the story. At the end of the day it is just filler. If we took filler into consideration Hinata would solo.

 

[iiDarui]

This.

Regardless of whether or not the plot is the same, there are still drastic differences.

This have me hemorrhoids... There are differences in all manga when which to anime. An example of this, actually a few examples, are Case Closed, Claymore, Shigurui, Sekirei, etc.
This statement is pointless due to the countless number of anime that differentiate from manga to anime.

 

[NewKageism]

Says the guy who is pushing for guren and does to be canon characters.

djgogetta. You can not lie . If Kish made a character a truely strong woman it would be someone like Guren.

We seen weak woman all the time in Naurto . Always being nurses (medical nin), but once Guren showed up in that anime , it was more of a movie than a filler. We seen some stupid fillers. But that was sexy.

 

[iiDarui]

He has nothing to do with fillers, yes they can't go and break the story. At the end of the day it is just filler. If we took filler into consideration Hinata would solo.

I disagree with this. Strongly. No technique in her arsenal would make her solo, canon or not. But characters like Tenten, Shino and Kiba would definitely have more fans if fillers were considered.

djgogetta. You can not lie . If Kim made a character a truely strong woman it would be someone like Guren.

We seen weak woman all the time in Naurto . Always being nurses (medical nin), but once Guren showed up in that anime , it was more of a movie than a filler. We seen some stupid fillers. But that was sexy.

Agreed xDD

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Anime isn't canon so it doesn't even matter. It's basically if I decided to make my own Naruto anime and gave Kakashi Susanoo....it's not Kishi's work so it shouldn't even be considered and can never be used in debates

 

[KingHashirama]

As typical, people being arrogant and not listening/reading to what people say.

I agree bro. People need to start realizing Kishimoto is not the god damn sole creator of Naruto. NARUTO THE SERIES IS A PROPERTY .......

Anime isn't canon so it doesn't even matter. It's basically if I decided to make my own Naruto anime and gave Kakashi Susanoo....it's not Kishi's work so it shouldn't even be considered and can never be used in debates

You would get your ass sued by Kishimoto and the other people who own Naruto....

Have you seen a Mangaka deny the anime and say its non-canon? no

Kishimoto's work is the rough draft.. The manga that you read every week isn't solely kishimoto's work. So is that non-canon also?