[Debate] Deidara > Kakuzu

[Shura]

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Deidara vs. Kakuzu Battle Music

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The Conditions Of Battle:

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Both are Fresh and fully rested
Intel: Full
Location: Deidara vs. Sasuke
30 Meters Distance
Restrictions: C0

These are the Scenarios of Battle that I will outline
- Deidara versus Base Kakuzu
- Deidara versus Ghosts
- Deidara versus Domu

Vocabulary:

Shī Fō = C4
Shī Wan = C1
Shī Surī = C3

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How Deidara would overcome Kakuzu in a 1v1 battle?​

Deidara versus Base Kakuzu​

As we all know, Kakuzu would have to release his hearts first in order to use them while Deidara would start on the ground. Now how would Deidara overcome a Kakuzu without Ghosts on the ground? Unlike many believe, Deidara is actually faster than Kakuzu hence why the databook gave him a higher score in speed. Let's not forget that even Shikamaru was capable of reacting and evading Kakuzu's attack [

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] so someone like Deidara who managed to keep up with Team Gai [

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] should be capable of doing the same exact thing. Furthermore Deidara can simply keep Kakuzu off of himself by using the Shī Wan every time he gets close. [

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Deidara's Databook speed score

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Kakuzu's Databook speed score

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I'll be honest. I'm not sure if you're trying to prove that Kakuzu is faster than Deidara or that he could keep up with him because the second one is kinda obvious. While Deidara indeed is faster than Kakuzu, the old man would still be able to keep up with him, but anyways I'm supposed to counter this as well. Your first point was about Kakashi not able to predict Kakuzu's speed, but that isn't correct. In the first scan you brought up, Kakuzu was supposed to be dead and Kakashi thought so as well. [

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] Furthermore, his eyes were focused on Hidan and not on Kakuzu. [

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] In order for his Sharingan to predict Kakuzu's movement, his eyes would have needed to be focused on him and not on Hidan. [

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] Kakashi wasn't able to predict Kakuzu's movement and got surprised because he thought that Kakuzu was dead and his eyes were focused on Hidan. In the second scan, Kakashi failed to predict Kakuzu's movement because once again, he couldn't focus his eyes on Kakuzu due to the smoke created by the clash of Kakuzu's Zukkoku and Kakashi's Suiton. [

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] Hence why he was surprised to see Kakuzu behind him. [

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] As for your Shikamaru point, that's not really what you could call a blitz. Shikamaru had no idea of his presence until he appeared behind him and that's why he was alarmed. Not to mention that he was able to react to Kakuzu's attack which kinda doesn't make Kakuzu's speed look good. [

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] Next, you bring up Hidan and let me just say that you kinda countered that point yourself right there. Hidan wasn't focused at all and he had one of his eyes half way closed [

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] which doesn't make that Kakuzu's speed feat impressive to be honest. To move onto your Asuma point, you have to realize that Asuma's leg was already damaged by Hidan [

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] so he couldn't really move hence why he wasn't able to react to Kakuzu's speed. When his leg was alright, he was capable of reacting to Kakuzu's speed. [

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] Kakuzu was even alarmed. Your final point here was about Kakuzu's speed feats when he was about to leave, but let's be honest. Not even fodders like Izumo and Kotetsu were shocked at his movement here so that might not even be that much impressive, but alright.

Since Deidara would be the faster one on the ground, he will not get caught off guard by any of Kakuzu's attacks. Before making his Shī Wan bird and flying off, Deidara would leave a Shī Wan centipede underground while Kakuzu won't have any idea of Deidara doing so. [

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] Once he does this and flies off, Kakuzu will have no choice but to try and bring his Ghosts out and this is when the centipede would strike. It would suddenly envelope Kakuzu [

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] and since he can't use Domu while trying to release the masks, the explosion will end Kakuzu and his Ghosts right there. However, to be safe he could leave a simple Nendo Bunshin which would hide itself underground by using the Doton: Moguragakure no Jutsu.

Deidara using the Doton: Moguragakure no Jutsu

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Deidara versus Kakuzu's Ghosts​

If by some miracle Kakuzu manages to survive the centipede and extracts the Ghosts, Deidara will deal with them anyways. Considering that Deidara would already be in the air, Zukkoku won't be a problem anymore because Zukkoku does not work against flying opponents. Let me explain.

How exactly does the ability to fly completely counter Katon: Zukkoku you may wonder. The answer to that question is the Databook. How? Well, in the databook it is stated that Zukkoku works by dropping a tiny fireball to the ground which then proceeds to erupt into a raging firestorm upon contact with the ground. [

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] Just like it says, upon contact with the ground. This means that Zukkoku cannot be fired into the air so it cannot take down flying targets. Even in the manga, it has been shown that Zukkoku travels on the ground. [

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Zukkoku needs to come into contact with the ground

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With that being said, Zukkoku is pretty much worthless here. Now, let's move onto the other Ghosts. It's time for Deidara's Nendo Bunshin which was hiding itself underground to make it's move. How exactly can it be used here? Well, by suddenly poking out of the earth, somewhere behind Kakuzu so that he doesn't notice him, the Nendo Bunshin can throw multiple Shī Wan birds [

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] which will take the Ghosts and Kakuzu by surprise, killing them right there. Let's not forget that Kakuzu doesn't deal well with surprise attacks. [

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] Kakuzu has no way of surviving this, but of course, Deidara doesn't need to aim for all of the Ghosts and Kakuzu. All he has to do is suddenly poke out from beneath and grab the Raiton Ghosts leg. Once he does that, the Nendo Bunshin will explode, destroying the Raiton Ghost.

The explosion of a Nendo Bunshin

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Now, of course, again if by some miracle ['Kuzu will need a lot of miracles] Kakuzu and his Ghosts come out alive out of this then Deidara would have to deal with them in the hard way. First he'll have to deal with the only flying Ghost which is the Fuuton one. However, unfortunately for Kakuzu, it has no way of keeping up with Deidara just like Akatsuchi couldn't keep up with him. [

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] This also means that Atsugai won't be capable of taking down Deidara due to the fact that Kakashi was capable of avoiding it from a point blank attack. [

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] Getting rid of the Ghost itself won't be that much of a problem since Deidara can abuse the fact that his speed is superior. He can simply use the faster Shī Wan birds [

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] by throwing one bird which would likely get blown away by the Atsugai and then he can quickly counter with the second bird in order to destroy the Ghost.

Kakashi had the ability to predict the attack, sure, but do you realize that the attack was fired at Kakashi from point blank range and that Kakashi was in mid air? [

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] And yet Kakashi managed to evade it. If that attack was as strong and as fast as you claim to be then even if Kakashi had a Sharingan, he shouldn't have been able to escape the attack. Deidara will simply fly away as soon as he sees the Ghost opening it's mouths and releasing something. Let's not even forget that Deidara would most likely be the first one to fire off his C1 bird at the Fuuton Ghost which would make it use Atsugai in order to blow away Deidara's attack and that will give Deidara info on it. Not to forget that even if by some miracle Deidara and his C1 bird got hit by it, Deidara would quickly react to it [

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] and jump to the air [

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] from the bird and create a new one [

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Kakuzu's Ghosts can't fly.

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Its recently come to my attention that Kakuzus heart CANNOT FLY . Although it may seem like they do let me start off with the mild evidence first:

The hearts:

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Firstly, We can see that they have legs and claws, now think to yourself, why would they need this if they could fly? this isn't just to make them look more badass, they actually need them. If they could fly there would be very little purpose for morphed limbs. If they could fly there would be no need to land.

Its come to my attention that they jump instead of fly! They just jump really high which makes it look like they fly. exactly like the pokemon DoDuo.

Masks jumping and running

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Now like i said before, why would they need to run IF they could fly? The fact that they have to run and jump is in itself proof that they cant fly. Looking at the SFX it shows us that it runs and jumps.

They can't fly. People usually believe that these Masks have the ability to fly because of this scan right here.

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However while it may look like they are flying, in reality, they are not. If we take a look at a page before that, we can clearly see the ''SFX: Jump Jump Jump Jump''

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They just have the ability to jump high, they cannot fly.



The Fuuton Mask is the only Mask that is capable of flight.

Kakashi coming out alive after Kakuzu's Atsugai attack

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Now getting rid off the Ghosts that are on the ground won't be that hard honestly. Deidara can simply use a Nendo Bunshin which would place the Nendo Mines around the battlefield and once a Ghost steps on it, the mine would explode and kill the Ghost. [

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] Or even more simply, he can once again use the faster Shī Wan birds to take down the Raiton Ghost. It would be simple really since Gian is a linear attack that was intercepted by Kakashi who was hit with Atsugai before that. [

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] The birds will simply evade Gian just like they evaded Gaara's Suna [

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] and then they will proceed to destroy the Raiton Mask. The Zukkoku Ghost won't really be a problem since it can't attack aerial targets.

The likely hood of Kakuzu finding out Deidara Raiton weakness is unlikely. He lacks a Sharingan to detect the chakra nature.

Kakuzu's V2 Jiongu form will be countered in the same exact way since it has openings so Domu is kinda useless because it doesn't affect Kakuzu's tendrils. [

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] Not to mention that Naruto already tricked him by attacking him with multiple clones from all sides. Deidara can simply do the same thing with his explosives.

Kakuzu getting tricked by Naruto's clones

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Deidara versus Domu​

The most problematic technique in Kakuzu's arsenal. How will Deidara counter it? Well he has three ways of doing so;

1) Surprise attack would be the first way. He can use his Nendo Bunshin to hide underground and suddenly attack Kakuzu from behind by exploding and killing him so that Kakuzu wouldn't have time to activate Domu. [

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2) Shī Surī would be the second way since Domu wouldn't be capable of tanking it seeing as how it would be capable of destroying a village. [

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3) Shī Fō would be Deidara's final way of getting past Domu since it would enter Kakuzu's body and destroy him from the inside. Now, I know that some people claim that Kakuzu doesn't breathe [Points at Zexion], but it doesn't really matter since the nano bombs would enter his body anyways just like they entered Sasuke's body who didn't breathe them in. [

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Deidara on his bird can easily dodge Kakuzu's masks attacks also Deidara can pull off Jibaku Bunshin feints as Kakuzu fell for Naruto's bushin feints as well and Jibaku Bushin is strong enough to take out a forest and Domu isn't invincible as even shikamru's shadow was able to scratch Domu.

to Add to the clone part, If naruto was able to get that close with a normal shadow clone, Deidaras clone would deal critical damage thus destroying pretty much all his hearts at this point. It was almost able to fool onoki and kakazus anticipation isnt very reliable as we saw from the scan. He clearly didn't use domu state because HE COULDNT. Naruto at this state was too close to him and i don't think deidara would have to be ass close as naruto to damage him with the clay clone.

To simple point out kakazus lack of evasion would work in deidara's favour since he also has Kibaku Jirai which kakazu would have no knowledge on. He will not be able to use domu in time thus causing severe damage. So in a way this is another way to critically harm kakazu.

I will say that since the hearts cant fly they cant catch deidara BUT assuming they do fly they can still get destroyed together with a C2 dragon or C4. Masks moves are too linear and haven't shown much intelligence. Ill counter anything on the actual thread

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Deidara vs Kakuzu comic by Sunagura.

Thank you for reading.

 

[-Punk-]

Deidara has always been in my top 5 in the Akatsuki ( I know i know he doesn't beat Sasori -_- but i don't care about that ) but Always believe he could defeat Kakazu , thanks for making it even more clearer .

 

[Shura]

Deidara has always been in my top 5 in the Akatsuki ( I know i know he doesn't beat Sasori -_- but i don't care about that ) but Always believe he could defeat Kakazu , thanks for making it even more clearer .

Deidara could possibly beat Sasori, but Sasori is the more likely winner. And thanks.

 

[Jobrjo]

Well, you posted plenty enough, no need for me to argue. Deidara indeed does win.

 

[Kαmi]

Very good work man. You seem to have effectively countered every technique in Kakuzu's arsenal. The scenarios went pretty close as I imagined myself, just not as beautifully written Lol. I thought the ghosts could fly but you proved that they don't which really weakened Kakuzu's chances for me with only a Fuuton mask that can fly. Good thread though, it's too bad Proof isn't here anymore to argue against you

 

[Shura]

Very good work man. You seem to have effectively countered every technique in Kakuzu's arsenal. The scenarios went pretty close as I imagined myself, just not as beautifully written Lol. I thought the ghosts could fly but you proved that they don't which really weakened Kakuzu's chances for me with only a Fuuton mask that can fly. Good thread though, it's too bad Proof isn't here anymore to argue against you

Thanks. And I don't even know for how long Proof is banned for. I only know that he negged Ira. >_>

 

[Sunagura]

Deidara and Kakuzu are arguable, i always have trobe with wich one can beat which.
(haven't read it yet, read later )

 

[Zexion~]

LMAO omg i'm dead that argument LMAO

I'll counter this when i get back from the hospital .... and it won't be that hard >.>

 

[Shura]

LMAO omg i'm dead that argument LMAO

I'll counter this when i get back from the hospital .... and it won't be that hard >.>

Lol OMG dat bluff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Interesting argument. Are you going to reply to my counter to Sasuke vs Kabuto, soon?

 

[TheEvilOne]

Nice work, I agree ;p

 

[Sunagura]

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[Shura]

Interesting argument. Are you going to reply to my counter to Sasuke vs Kabuto, soon?

Lol. Probably. Haven't been interested in Sasuke lately.

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Good job man.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

I agree my man Deidara>Kakuzu.

 

[Penguin]

The only thing is that C4 is ineffective against Kakuzu. He doesn't need to breathe, but a C3 ends him.

 

[Shura]

The only thing is that C4 is ineffective against Kakuzu. He doesn't need to breathe, but a C3 ends him.

I know that. Kakuzu doesn't need to breathe in order for C4 to work. Didn't you read? Zzz

 

[Penguin]

I know that. Kakuzu doesn't need to breathe in order for C4 to work. Didn't you read? Zzz

I might have misread.

 

[Shura]

I might have misread.

And Kakuzu needs to breathe.

 

[Edo Odin]

Seems to be quite accurate.

 

[Zexion~]

**** way to damn tired.....Just got back...

It'll have to wait for tomorrow my man,