[Discussion] Mihawk>Shanks?

[24 12 11 to troll]

Starfish brain

There is no proof that Shanks is a swordsman, he is someone who fights with the help of a sword. Which is something different.

Please explain how fighting with the use of a sword and using a sword to fight actually differ?

Shanks is able to crack physical stuff with his haki. He probably fights a bit like Kenpachi where he crushes people with his spirit.

And? We haven't seen Mihawk using Haki ; however it's undeniable that someone of his caliber would most certainly have it.

How stupid would it be if Mihawk was stronger than a yonkou.

He has no crew ; I wouldn't be surprised if he was. As a One man army he won't have territories which are crucial to being a Yonkou.

 

[Kuzan]

Please explain how fighting with the use of a sword and using a sword to fight actually differ?

A swordsman is someone devoted to the sword (if that makes any sense). If Luffy picked up a sword and defeated, lets say Smoker, would that make him a swordsman? No it wouldnt.

I think Shanks' case is somewhat similar, he can just throw away his sword and be just as strong as he is with the sword.

 

[LitzSabr]

It was stated clearly in the manga that Shanks and Mihawk were equals even when Shanks had both arms. Other than that, I can't compare them without the use of hype which will favor Shanks.
It's either Mihawk=Shanks or Mihawk>Shanks.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

A swordsman is someone devoted to the sword (if that makes any sense). If Luffy picked up a sword and defeated, lets say Smoker, would that make him a swordsman? No it wouldnt.

I think Shanks' case is somewhat similar, he can just throw away his sword and be just as strong as he is with the sword.

Even going by your logic it changes nothing. Luffy had been classified as a swordsman in the Colloseum.
The only times we've seen shanks fight ; he used a sword , therefore showing his sword is a primary weapon and also his devotion to using a sword.

 

[Kuzan]

It was stated clearly in the manga that Shanks and Mihawk were equals even when Shanks had both arms. Other than that, I can't compare them without the use of hype which will favor Shanks.
It's either Mihawk=Shanks or Mihawk>Shanks.

Mihawk said he didnt want to duel with someone that only has 1 arm. That means that they havent had a duel for like 10-15 years. They could have been equals back in the days or something, but Shanks became something just a bit higher up the ladder than Mihawk.

Even going by your logic it changes nothing. Luffy had been classified as a swordsman in the Colloseum.
The only times we've seen shanks fight ; he used a sword , therefore showing his sword is a primary weapon and also his devotion to using a sword.

What I am trying to say is that his sword is not tied to his identity, people like Mihawk, Vista and Zoro are inseperable from their sword.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

What I am trying to say is that his sword is not tied to his identity, people like Mihawk, Vista and Zoro are inseperable from their sword.

We've never seen Shanks without his sword either.

Mihawk said he didnt want to duel with someone that only has 1 arm.

Because he knew he would win.

That means that they havent had a duel for like 10-15 years. They could have been equals back in the days or something, but Shanks became something just a bit higher up the ladder than Mihawk.

Mihawk is a one man army. He's not higher up. Mihawk imo is genuinely the most free man on the planet and always will be until Luffy becomes the PK. And since freedom is what people seek ; Mihawk has achieved higher than Shanks.

 

[Love Cook]

Please explain how fighting with the use of a sword and using a sword to fight actually differ?


And? We haven't seen Mihawk using Haki ; however it's undeniable that someone of his caliber would most certainly have it.


He has no crew ; I wouldn't be surprised if he was. As a One man army he won't have territories which are crucial to being a Yonkou.

Well starfish brain,

I thought my last post was pretty clear already, but I think Kuzan and ZiggyZ explained it well enough so that even you should get it now.

If not

maybe you should

also breakdown their posts

in small understandable portions.

Because it seems that 5 sentences

is your limit.

 

[LitzSabr]

Mihawk said he didnt want to duel with someone that only has 1 arm. That means that they havent had a duel for like 10-15 years. They could have been equals back in the days or something, but Shanks became something just a bit higher up the ladder than Mihawk.

That's just the nature of Mihawk that he won't duel with Shanks now. Rest I read was Hype Hype Hype.

 

[Kuzan]

We've never seen Shanks without his sword either.

I dont mean they just have it with them. It is something that defines them.
Mihawk = WSS
Vista = Flower Sword

Because he knew he would win.

No, because he thought it was unfair. Besides, it didnt make Shanks any weaker (he stated that himself).

Mihawk is a one man army. He's not higher up. Mihawk imo is genuinely the most free man on the planet and always will be until Luffy becomes the PK. And since freedom is what people seek ; Mihawk has achieved higher than Shanks.

Mihawk is actually controlled in his actions by the World Government, because he is a shichibukai.

 

[LitzSabr]

Well starfish brain,

I thought my last post was pretty clear already, but I think Kuzan and ZiggyZ explained it well enough so that even you should get it now.

If not

maybe you should

also breakdown their posts

in small understandable portions.

Because it seems that 5 sentences

is your limit.

Have some brains, if not then log out of NB, never come back and GTFO.

 

[Bogard]

Shanks is obviously a swordsman

1- He was rival of Mihawk(a swordsman)

2- He always had swords and used them since his youth

3- Even on his pirate flag, we see 2swords instead of usual bones. What does that implies?

Shanks fighting style is heavily around his swords

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Hey guys! Just a word of warning... the following post of mine can be classified as rape.

Well starfish brain,

Insults is a sign of loss. Because you are expressing minor rage right now as to the fact you cannot move the rock which is in your way known as an argument.

I thought my last post was pretty clear already

It was , but it was also incorrect in my opinion. You cannot always assume to be omniscient and above all else.

but I think Kuzan and ZiggyZ explained it well enough so that even you should get it now.

Walls of text do not interest me. Kuzan hasn't proven anything so far. You need to learn the difference between a plausible explanation and pointing out random things which can easily be countered and dispelled.

If not

maybe you should

also breakdown their posts

Spacing between your lines is patronizing. A tactic used if all else fails in order to get your point across. By trying to make someone feel inferior by patronizing them it is also another sign of loss as you are expressing rage at the fact you cannot move the rock in your way. (Also known as an argument.)

in small understandable portions.

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Sorry I didn't quite understand? I thought I already did that.

Because it seems that 5 sentences

is your limit.

Like I said before: Walls of text do not interest me. Making things smaller make things less of a time consuming task. Appreciate the fact I've even bothered to enlighten you good sir.

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Shanks is obviously a swordsman

1- He was rival of Mihawk(a swordsman)

2- He always had swords and used them since his youth

3- Even on his pirate flag, we see 2swords instead of usual bones. What does that implies?

Shanks fighting style is heavily around his swords

He makes a very good point! The Jolly Roger which Shanks uses:

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[Kuzan]

Shanks is obviously a swordsman

1- He was rival of Mihawk(a swordsman)

2- He always had swords and used them since his youth

3- Even on his pirate flag, we see 2swords instead of usual bones. What does that implies?

Shanks fighting style is heavily around his swords

I didnt think of the jolly roger that is a good point.

For some reason it doesnt seem logical if Mihawk is the stronger one, expecially seeing that surpassing Shanks is luffys goal and Mihawk is Zoros goal. Only time will tell who is right I guess.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I didnt think of the jolly roger that is a good point.

For some reason it doesnt seem logical if Mihawk is the stronger one, expecially seeing that surpassing Shanks is luffys goal and Mihawk is Zoros goal. Only time will tell who is right I guess.

Zoro needs to beat Mihawk to become the worlds greatest swordsman. When Luffy surpasses Shanks , Zoro will surpass Ben Beckmann (inferior to Shanks), Ben Beckmann is therefore inferior to Mihawk. So Zoro still won't be the worlds greatest swordsman. Luffys goal is actually to become the PK... And by EOS I'm certain BB will be god tier like WB and Roger. And he is whom Luffy will have to surpass.

 

[xcoyote]

Shanks shits on him.

 

[Avinash012]

Zoro needs to beat Mihawk to become the worlds greatest swordsman. When Luffy surpasses Shanks , Zoro will surpass Ben Beckmann (inferior to Shanks), Ben Beckmann is therefore inferior to Mihawk. So Zoro still won't be the worlds greatest swordsman. Luffys goal is actually to become the PK... And by EOS I'm certain BB will be god tier like WB and Roger. And he is whom Luffy will have to surpass.

Zoro don't give a dam abt BBM ..Luffy admired Shanks and he clearly stated that he'll Surpass Shanks and Zoro did the same thing with Hawk eye...BBM has nothing to with this also there is no need for Luffy to surpass Roger(In terms of strength) to be a PK It is like saying that one should be as strong as Hashirama to be a Hokage just bcz he is the first one to have that tittle and Luffy don't give a dam abt Roger exept abit of Respect....

 

[Kuzan]

Zoro don't give a dam abt BBM ..Luffy admired Shanks and he clearly stated that he'll Surpass Shanks and Zoro did the same thing with Hawk eye...BBM has nothing to with this also there is no need for Luffy to surpass Roger(In terms of strength) to be a PK It is like saying that one should be as strong as Hashirama to be a Hokage just bcz he is the first one to have that tittle and Luffy don't give a dam abt Roger exept abit of Respect....

I agree with this. I cant rep you though, sorry

 

[Fireplay]

Nope.

Shanks=>Mihawk (can't say for sure though since both near featless)

Mihawk was given the title of the greatest swordsman after Shanks lost his arm and Mihawk refused sparring with him.

Mihawk being the greatest swordsman has nothing to do with his...

1. Physical strength
2. Speed
3. Haki
4. Stamina
5. Durability

Mihawk is the greatest due to his skill with the sword but Shanks could be better in those categories. Making Shanks>Mihawk. Just something i had to point out.

Btw Luffy WILL surpass Roger and Whitebeard.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Zoro don't give a dam abt BBM ..Luffy admired Shanks and he clearly stated that he'll Surpass Shanks and Zoro did the same thing with Hawk eye...BBM has nothing to with this also there is no need for Luffy to surpass Roger(In terms of strength) to be a PK It is like saying that one should be as strong as Hashirama to be a Hokage just bcz he is the first one to have that tittle and Luffy don't give a dam abt Roger exept abit of Respect....

I know that good sir. I mean that when Luffy surpasses Shanks , Zoro will still be inferior as he being the second strongest SH would just surpass the second strongest RH regardless of whether he cares or not : it's true. Luffy doesn't need to surpass Roger ; but he will definitely be God tier EOS as it has been foreshadowed since the very beginning of the series. For Luffy to stand as Pirate King he needs to be above his fellow Yonkou. Like Roger was above Shiki etc. It's different from a Hokage as running a village is very different from fighting off everyone in order to maintain a title.

Nope.

Shanks=>Mihawk (can't say for sure though since both near featless)

Their titles are their greatest feats. Aside that: cutting a tsunami in two ; casually with no effort and stopping a war through fear are their greatest feats.

Mihawk was given the title of the greatest swordsman after Shanks lost his arm and Mihawk refused sparring with him.

Because he knew he would win. If Shanks had two arms I would agree that Shanks is stronger, but he's only got one.

Mihawk being the greatest swordsman has nothing to do with his...

1. Physical strength

Then why does Zoro lift? GG

2. Speed

He speed blitzed G2 Luffy without any effort at MF. Of course it matters. GG

3. Haki

If Mihawk had no Haki he would be screwed in the NW. He doesn't have an OP fruit so he would be destroyed. Haki is a supplement to every single fighting style. Zoro uses Haki. Why? How? He puts his Haki into his sword. Mihawk would do the same , who taught Zoro Haki during the two year timeskip? GG

4. Stamina

Without stamina you cannot fight for extensive periods of time. Of course it matters.

5. Durability

It does have something to do with this. One of Zoro's main strengths is his durability and ability to tank most things. Mihawk is probably too strong to even get hit by attacks of such caliber unless they're dealt by somebody of his own league. Even so... he would be screwed if he wasn't durable and would not be where he is today. GG

Mihawk is the greatest due to his skill with the sword but Shanks could be better in those categories. Making Shanks>Mihawk. Just something i had to point out.

-Skill with a sword: Mihawk > Shanks
-Speed: Mihawk = Shanks
-Strength: No Idea but since Mihawk easily has the striking force to split a tsunami in two with neg diff Mihawk > Shanks
-Haki: Mihawk = Shanks at Busoshoku and Kenbushoku. Shanks only has superior Haki due to his posession of Haoshoku Haki , so basically overall in terms of Haki: Shanks > Mihawk , I will give him that. However this is only because of Haoshoku Haki.
-Stamina and Durability: Neither have feats for this.

Btw Luffy WILL surpass Roger and Whitebeard.

He will equal them.

 

[Kuzan]

-Skill with a sword: Mihawk > Shanks
-Speed: Mihawk = Shanks
-Strength: No Idea but since Mihawk easily has the striking force to split a tsunami in two with neg diff Mihawk > Shanks
-Haki: Mihawk = Shanks at Busoshoku and Kenbushoku. Shanks only has superior Haki due to his posession of Haoshoku Haki , so basically overall in terms of Haki: Shanks > Mihawk , I will give him that. However this is only because of Haoshoku Haki.
-Stamina and Durability: Neither have feats for this.

-Skill with sword: Mihawk > Shanks
-Speed: Shanks stopped Akainu before his ship arrived, so he has some crazy speed. Shank > Mihawk IMO
-Strenght: Mihawk plits a tsunami, Shanks plits the sky (and yes I know WB was also involved). Shanks >Mihawk IMO
-Haki: from feats it is easily Shanks > Mihawk, but Mihawk will probably have great Haki too, we just dont know.
-Stamina: We have no clue, but both of them will probably have INSANE stamina and durability.

Thats why I think Shanks > Mihawk.