Sasuke is still nowhere near the same level as Madara. His Susanoo is not as powerful as Madara's either. He has vastly improved over the last several chapters, but he hasn't improved that much.
They have the same number of "arms" as you pointed out because those are Kurama's tails. Susanoo is worn like armor, so it is reasonable to believe that it would have the same overall shape and appearance as Madara's.
However, Madara's Susanoo armor actually added something to Kurama. Thus far, Sasuke's hasn't done anything but change its appearance. Kurama's form, the cloaks for everybody else, the power for the Rasengan, and apparently the sword (created with Naruto's emotions) are all Naruto. So far, Sasuke is just kind of along for the ride.
He is missing a sword, that's if he even gets another one, and the feats needed. He will most likely end up with a bow though, add Enton to that and he is >Madara's.
Sasuke is still nowhere near the same level as Madara. His Susanoo is not as powerful as Madara's either. He has vastly improved over the last several chapters, but he hasn't improved that much.
They have the same number of "arms" as you pointed out because those are Kurama's tails. Susanoo is worn like armor, so it is reasonable to believe that it would have the same overall shape and appearance as Madara's.
However, Madara's Susanoo armor actually added something to Kurama. Thus far, Sasuke's hasn't done anything but change its appearance. Kurama's form, the cloaks for everybody else, the power for the Rasengan, and apparently the sword (created with Naruto's emotions) are all Naruto. So far, Sasuke is just kind of along for the ride.
I wonder on that as well, not really sure, I used to believe it was a sheath which I thought was the significance of the extra arms, needed to un-sheath the blade, though Madara's Susano'o arms carry no such sheath, and I'm starting to think that's just Sasuke's own blade design.
Sasuke is still nowhere near the same level as Madara. His Susanoo is not as powerful as Madara's either. He has vastly improved over the last several chapters, but he hasn't improved that much.
They have the same number of "arms" as you pointed out because those are Kurama's tails. Susanoo is worn like armor, so it is reasonable to believe that it would have the same overall shape and appearance as Madara's.
However, Madara's Susanoo armor actually added something to Kurama. Thus far, Sasuke's hasn't done anything but change its appearance. Kurama's form, the cloaks for everybody else, the power for the Rasengan, and apparently the sword (created with Naruto's emotions) are all Naruto. So far, Sasuke is just kind of along for the ride.
Are you saying the sword was Naruto's? The Kyuubi and Naruto have never carried a sword. Silly claim. Naruto simply added Senjutsu to make it effective.
The upper two paragraphs are irrelevant and frankly poor reasoning.
Exactly. I Expected a Simple Susanoo Blade Like Madara but we are seeing some significant distinguishable physical characteristics in his weaponry hopefully this affects it's power as well. Sasuke's Susanoo potential is clear to the audience and if the Susanoo Bow and Enton affinity he utilizes does not make an appearance I will be disturbed. We also need to see Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo without being encrypted on the Kyuubi. Seeing the Standing warrior in battle will make identifying it's feats less of a guessing game and more of factual evidence needed for debates.
Exactly. I Expected a Simple Susanoo Blade Like Madara but we are seeing some significant distinguishable physical characteristics in his weaponry hopefully this affects it's power as well. Sasuke's Susanoo potential is clear to the audience and if the Susanoo Bow and Enton affinity he utilizes does not make an appearance I will be disturbed. We also need to see Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo without being encrypted on the Kyuubi. Seeing the Standing warrior in battle will make identifying it's feats less of a guessing game and more of factual evidence needed for debates.
Agree with this as well. Hopefully Susano'o can form a quiver and bow once Sasuke is able to formulate the additional hands. Enton's lack of presence is odd, though perhaps once he grows more accustomed to using the Kanzentai Susano'o that will come into play. Since Sasuke's link to Naruto's chakra was broken by Obito (his cloak is omit, while the others are still present, indicating the link severed) and he was able to form the armor over the BM shroud, which is around his Susano'o's size, I'm thinking he should be able to form Susano'o and the armor over it, as he did in this chapter with Kyuubi in it's place.
Agree with this as well. Hopefully Susano'o can form a quiver and bow once Sasuke is able to formulate the additional hands. Enton's lack of presence is odd, though perhaps once he grows more accustomed to using the Kanzentai Susano'o that will come into play. Since Sasuke's link to Naruto's chakra was broken by Obito (his cloak is omit, while the others are still present, indicating the link severed) and he was able to form the armor over the BM shroud, which is around his Susano'o's size, I'm thinking he should be able to form Susano'o and the armor over it, as he did in this chapter with Kyuubi in it's place.
You do know PS isn't equal to Kurama right? Madara said his PS power is on Bijuu level and all but he needed Kurama's power to fight Hashirama when he already had PS which means PS power is not close to Kurama's. Yang Kurama power was equal to 5 Bijuus so imagine a 100% Kurama, Kurama's chakra was said to be near limitless so he can add more chakra to his attacks for even more power. What makes Sasuke and Naruto even is how Kishi makes Naruto a goof off who forgets things as Naruto shown when he fought Nagato and a few chapters ago when he was going to fight Obito without using Senjutsu chakra. Sasuke would need Rinnegan and PS and maybe a bit more since Naruto might get a SO6P powerup since the other Bijuus gave him power too.
He might, it was only shown him giving Naruto chakra. Plus even if he just got full Kurama that doesn't mean he's at full power. Both Yin and Yang Kurama used a lot of chakra, in fact Yang Kurama needed to borrow chakra from Yin which is most likely all that happened. Naruto isn't at full power since he's borrowing Yin Kurama's chakra to fight instead of Yang Kurama being fully charged. Also PS power is below that of Kurama's or else Madara wouldn't have needed Kurama to fight Hashirama.
Because Madara has full control over his Susanoo and mastered it where as Sasuke does not and still need training/more used of his EMS powers. I think it was Itachi who said something like a master can kill a novice with a pebble even if the novice has a shuriken or something like that. Madara knows the weak points and can use other jutsus along with his Susanoo like the meteors.
Naruto has both the foxes and Sasuke has that huge stabilized susanoo.
They are currently not at fully power/not using their full power so they are stronger than 10 tails Jin Obito.
Both halves together is a full powered Bijuu, Perfect Susanoo is equal to a full powered Bijuu. So they are equal, like I said, HA! TAKE THAT NARUTARDS AND SAUSAGES!
No? lol How is PS equal to a full powered Bijuu when the bijuus power all are different? Madara only said PS power was on Bijuu's level. PS can't be on Kurama level because Madara needed Kurama and PS to fight Hashirama who is not 2x Kurama power since he said Kurama had powerful chakra compared to his and this wasn't a full powered Kurama. Yang Kurama power matched 5 full power Bijuus so what do you have to say about that?
i want to point out to Sasuke haters that Naruto has great power and ish and he can heal other people and give them kyuubi cloaks , but nvm.. Sasuke can still beat Naruto in a 1 on 1 fight. :sasuke:
Well yeah, Kishi made it so Naruto is powerful but not as strategic as Sasuke in some ways that can aid him but Naruto has Kurama's help in that department as well. The both can beat each other, other people can beat them too. Power wise Naruto is stronger but Sasuke has jutsus and ways that can help him win as well.
This chapter, we saw the Kyuubi donning a Dai-Tengu Susano'o armor.
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Similar to Madara's fixated Kanzentai Susano'o armor which the Kyuubi wore in the battle between Hashirama and Madara.
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Which is a variation of this version of Susano'o.
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Same amount of arms, Dai-Tengu mask present, both swords are as well. No real differences other than Kurama's presence and some shape changes to form fit the Kyuubi. It makes sense for the same to be true with Sasuke.
There are a few variations, and a few similarities. Disregarding size and some variations in appearance, Madara's Susano'o has four arms, two of which are missing in Sasuke's version, and two swords, one of which has been omit from Sasuke's version. With one sword, his current level may have already been described, "This Susano'o is destruction... One slash of it's sword possesses the power to break all creation... Only the Bijuu have a power comparable to this."
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This is what I believe Sasuke's current level would be,
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But, there is still room for improvement, as this is a demonstration of around half of Madara's power, with the second blade omit from his demonstration. I believe that Sasuke will eventually gain access to a second blade, upping his efficiency two fold. And at that time, he will reach Madara's prime level. Kyuubi omitted.
Yes but I think people need to realize that PS doesn't equal Kurama's power but it's power is on the Bijuu's level. They seem to forget the fact that Madara who had PS still needed Kurama to fight Hashirama and still lost. PS+Kurama doesn't equal Kurama power x2 because Hashirama chakra is lower than Kurama's who is said to have near limitless. Yang Kurama power matched 5 fully powered Bijuus so what do you think BSM (which is equal to full Kurama but Naruto never used it when he was at full power cause both times he borrowed chakra from Yin Kurama) or full Kurama can do?
Yes Sasuke still will be equal to Naruto because he use strategies to fight (at least Hebi Sasuke did and MS sasuke only did once) where as Naruto tends to forget things like he did against Nagato and when he was going to attack Juubito with only BM. Kurama helps Naruto with Plans and can even take over and fight if Naruto wants to but this differences is what really keeps them even. I think when everything is done Sasuke should have the Rinnegan and a little something extra while Naruto gets Full Kurama and some type of SO6P like mode (maybe) which would put the power the Bijuus gave Naruto to use.
For the longest time everyone has been all "Naruto solos Sasuke" and I was always the only one to say they were equal. Now everyone is all "Sasuke solos Naruto" and I still say the same, THEY ARE EQUAL. Kishi cant show 2 major powerups at the same time or it would take away from the epicness of one or the other. That doesnt mean that whoever is currently getting the powerup is stronger than the other. Kishi has always stated that Naruto and Sasuke will always be equal, so Naruto and Sasuke will.. say it with me.. always, be, equal.
but Sasuke and Naruto have almost never been equal...
there have always been one of them that was stronger than the other (and no it wasent always one of them) they have kept surpassing each other over and over again...
Naruto has been foreshadowed to be the second coming of the Sage. Kishi in no ways intend for them to be equal. It's kinda like Goku and Vegeta, both of them make a good combo with fusion, yet, Goku is always the stronger of the two. Also, PS was just to shorten the gap. Not close it.
Yes but I think people need to realize that PS doesn't equal Kurama's power but it's power is on the Bijuu's level. They seem to forget the fact that Madara who had PS still needed Kurama to fight Hashirama and still lost. PS+Kurama doesn't equal Kurama power x2 because Hashirama chakra is lower than Kurama's who is said to have near limitless. Yang Kurama power matched 5 fully powered Bijuus so what do you think BSM (which is equal to full Kurama but Naruto never used it when he was at full power cause both times he borrowed chakra from Yin Kurama) or full Kurama can do?
Yes Sasuke still will be equal to Naruto because he use strategies to fight (at least Hebi Sasuke did and MS sasuke only did once) where as Naruto tends to forget things like he did against Nagato and when he was going to attack Juubito with only BM. Kurama helps Naruto with Plans and can even take over and fight if Naruto wants to but this differences is what really keeps them even. I think when everything is done Sasuke should have the Rinnegan and a little something extra while Naruto gets Full Kurama and some type of SO6P like mode (maybe) which would put the power the Bijuus gave Naruto to use.
Don't really see the relevance, but I'll rebut. Hashirama compared his own chakra to that of Yin/Yang Kurama as well as Naruto and Minato's chakra in volume.
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Stating that it is in fact comparable to his volume of chakra, which puts full Kurama below Hashirama in chakra volume. Hashirama was able to restrain multiple Bijuu himself as well.
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And SM puts him far above any Bijuu in existence. Only the Juubi, which Hashirama can restrain, while spreading chakra for Mokuton Bunshin, I might add, is above him.
