naruto and sasuke > Madara and hashirama ?

[KingHashirama]

People need to realise Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed those relics. They're fighting someone who is far stronger than those two. Naruto's bsm is far stronger than the kyuubi and Sasuke's ps is stronger than Madara's ps. Not the mention their teamwork is good, they've got a lot more variety than what Hashirama fought in the past. Just because it's similar to what Madara did in the past does not make it the same.

Naruto's Sage mode is inferior and Kyuubi is inferior to Mokuton

Madara possessed their current combined power.

 

[Midday]

100% Kyuubi is stronger than BSM with a Kyuubi Chakra entity which is smaller and possesses less Chakra, what isn't obvious here? Kyuubi himself is durable engough to tank Chojo Kebutsu and Chibaku Tensei..so no doubt.

Madara > Sasuke as for now, as his PS is bigger and slices mountain ranges with one blow. You say they surpassed Madara and Hashirama now, but by what feats? The whole alliance is fighting Obito and Obito lost this clash due to his own doubts, when this was a fight of wills.

Either Madara or Hashirama solo for obvious reasons. Madara controlled 100% Kyuubi and armored him with his huger PS; the combined version of Sasuke and Naruto is much weaker. Hashirama on the other hand overwhelmed even that with Shinsuusenju and has the important advantage with a Chakra absorbing and supressing Mokuton, which is above all enhanced with Senchakra in general, Mokujin, Mokuton Dragon and the gates which restrained Juubi.

By feats Naruto is stronger than 100% kyuubi. It's been stated several times that Jinchuuriki are more capable than their bijuu counterparts, Obito now compared to just the Juubi is an example of that. Less chakra does not = less power. So what if the kyuubi tanked Chojo Kebutsu Naruto tanked the Juubi's laser which is far above that and tanking chibaku tensei is Naruto's jinchuuriki feat. Naruto's shown far more destructive power in bm than the 100% kyuubi and the tanking feats speak for themselves. So explain to me what's obvious here? I haven't even bothered mentioning sm's boost.

Sasuke's ps > Madara's ps. Unlike Madara's Sasuke's comes with enton, there's no doubt Sasuke's sword swings can also do what Madara's have done, considering all susanoo's tend to work in the same way. As for size, you got any proof? I've got this,

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It's laughable that you think either can solo. Going by power scaling Naruto and Sasuke > Obito > Mindless Obito > Hashirama > Madara.

Naruto's Sage mode is inferior and Kyuubi is inferior to Mokuton

Madara possessed their current combined power.

Proof on the first point. Naruto's bm combined with Sasuke susanoo is similar to what Madara possessed but it's not the same, what Madara used is outclassed by the duo.

 

[MickNerks]

By feats Naruto's sage mode is superior to Hashirama's.

Naruto has the best sensing feats and he can combine It with bijuu mode. The only thing hashirama has demonstrated with his sage mode is the giant buddah, yet it seems that a oodama rasenshuriken from naruto would easily make it useless.

And for those who believe hashirama's mokuton is a problem for naruto, the 3rd databook clearly stated that NOTHING can fully suppress the kyuubi's chakra. This was demonstrated when madara's wood dragon failed to stop/capture naruto.

 

[shelke]

As per feats now, both - Madara and Hashirama - of them can take this fight alone because of feats. This will change when more feats appear.

By feats Naruto is stronger than 100% kyuubi. It's been stated several times that Jinchuuriki are more capable than their bijuu counterparts, Obito now compared to just the Juubi is an example of that. Less chakra does not = less power. So what if the kyuubi tanked Chojo Kebutsu Naruto tanked the Juubi's laser which is far above that and tanking chibaku tensei is Naruto's jinchuuriki feat. Naruto's shown far more destructive power in bm than the 100% kyuubi and the tanking feats speak for themselves. So explain to me what's obvious here? I haven't even bothered mentioning sm's boost.

Sasuke's ps > Madara's ps. Unlike Madara's Sasuke's comes with enton, there's no doubt Sasuke's sword swings can also do what Madara's have done, considering all susanoo's tend to work in the same way. As for size, you got any proof? I've got this, [1][2]

It's laughable that you think either can solo. Going by power scaling Naruto and Sasuke > Obito > Mindless Obito > Hashirama > Madara.

I would have to agree and disagree. By feats of Bijuu-Damas overall destructive power, 50 % Kurama and 100 % are exactly the same. There is no difference at all. This can be backed by Madara's control of Kurama with any TBB Naruto has made in BM.