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No, I don't think so..
There is noway in hell for him to be stronger than Hashirama
There is noway in hell for him to be stronger than Hashirama
yeah he should when he beats hashi until then he is below himMadara should be above Hashirama.
yeah he should when he beats hashi until then he is below him
Sasuke > Nagato.
Sasuke/Naruto also.
I just ask whether he can be canonically proven as some top tier shinobi by feats; not words that that been said by Iruke years ago.
So far; he is not seems to be even top 30 material, all these shinobi are able to beat him or overall stronger (Not in order):
1)Obito
2)Hashirama
3)Madara
4)Naruto
5)Nagato
6)Sasuke
7)Kabuto
8)Minato
9)Itachi
10)Orochimaru
11)Jiraiya
12)Tsunade
13)Mu
14)Killer B
15)Onoki
16)2nd Mizukage
17)Third Raikage
18)Tobirama
19)Kakashi
20)Kakuzu
21)Sasori
22)Gai
23)A
24)Kisame
25)Deidara
26)Mei
27)Gaara
28)Konan
29)Darui
30/31)Kin/Gin bros
32)Hanzo
^^As i said; not in order; there can be the ones that might be added and list already passed 30.
Will Hiruzen actually proven to be powerful than he had been presented?
I just ask whether he can be canonically proven as some top tier shinobi by feats; not words that that been said by Iruke years ago.
So far; he is not seems to be even top 30 material, all these shinobi are able to beat him or overall stronger (Not in order):
1)Obito
2)Hashirama
3)Madara
4)Naruto
5)Nagato
6)Sasuke
7)Kabuto
8)Minato
9)Itachi
10)Orochimaru
11)Jiraiya
13)Mu (mid to high diff)
14)Killer B
16)2nd Mizukage (possible with high diff)
17)Third Raikage
18)Tobirama
20)Kakuzu (maybe)
21)Sasori (maybe by overwhelming him with numbers)
22)Gai (8gates)
24)Kisame (with samehada)
^^As i said; not in order; there can be the ones that might be added and list already passed 30.
Will Hiruzen actually proven to be powerful than he had been presented?
you're talking about Hashirama, Hiruzen is the old man with the monkey stick lol. the third hokageCanonically? Probably not. We have not seen very much of Hashirama in combat, and therefore his strength and power cannot be proven. However, there are two instances which indicate how powerful he is. The first is that he has been taking on Madara one-on-one for the majority of the Obito/Madara fight. This indicates that he is more powerful than the five kage combined. The second is that he is only the third person to be able to directly counteract Edo Tensei. Of the three, he's the only one to resist it through sheer will. Madara's user had lost control, and Itachi used a powerful genjutsu.
I agree with your point, but I only agree with the ones I left on your list.. I don't think you're giving him enough credit.. he was called the god of shinobi at one point in time and was trained by tobirama... he's no push over and the people that we're talking about him losing to are the most powerful people (that we've been introduced to) in the entire history of the narutoverse
I don't think we'll see his reputation proven in feats, given that the top 5 or so nin far out class everyone else at this point, but that's no reason to ignore his strength either.
Is this a way of putting your top 10 up without getting flamed.. Top 10 looks legit for the most part
I just ask whether he can be canonically proven as some top tier shinobi by feats; not words that that been said by Iruke years ago.
1)Obito
2)Hashirama
3)Madara
4)Naruto
5)Nagato
6)Sasuke
7)Kabuto
8)Minato
9)Itachi
10)Orochimaru