[Theory] Coalescing past thoughts and a prediction of power

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Excellent thread overall, though I still have major doubts about Naruto getting the Rinnegan.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you should be aware that in the volume release of chapter 630 when the Juubi stares at Naruto, the one tails isn't present around the other Bijuu anymore.
I proposed that because Kurama is more of the Juubi (given he is FAR more powerful just at 50% than any other Bijuu and at 100% should comprise nearly half of Jubi), more of Kurama, on top of 6-7 Bijuu's, would give a similar effect as how Obito has 7 Bijuu's but an incomplete Juubi.
 

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you may have a mod friend deleting my posts because they destroy you, but my points still stand, and you're still 3-0 to me. But don't worry, I'm not going to 4-0 you here, I'm going to speak to a more reasonable person.
Hirudora, I don't know why you are supporting this guy. You defended reason when you spoke against Sir Derp Obito's theories, yet here you support this guy when he says Naruto will get Rinnegan? Like, doesn't the idea alone sound absolutely preposterous to you?
Oh... I don't know... Maybe because I linked everything together before actually establishing the hypothesis that you seem to disregard? I went back all the way to the root (Rikudou) to establish why he could awaken it. You just disregard it and say "He won't get it because I say so". Laughable.

Incorrect. I reported your posts because it was in a harassing tone. And no... You haven't destroyed anything at all. Your vague posts have done nothing, and far more intelligent people (Waltz, Sabaki, Adeshina AND Hirudora) have complied with the underlying hypothesis displayed in this thread. Your opinion means absolutely nothing.

It's not a sum up of the entire manga. The sum up of the entire manga is that a Uchiha's final power up is the Rinnegan, as he then becomes just like the Elder Son. How can you have missed out on such an important fact?
Except, it isn't fact. The ultimate "Uchiha power-up" is the Eien No Mangekyou Sharingan. Beyond that is the devolution to the Rinnegan but it isn't natural due to the use of an external factor. Not to mention that it is as much the Senju's right to use the Rinnegan as it is the Uchiha's given the Rinnegan is awakened when both sides (Yin and Yang) come together, rather than just the Yang supplementing the Yin.

And really, once again, a point that you are completely ignoring, how can you justify Naruto needing the Rinnegan to begin with? Is he going to use any of the six paths at all? Can't you see that it does not define who he is and it has no reason for replacing his current eyes? Like, seriously, what place does it have in his arsenal? Maybe he's going to use Asura Path when he can already pull additional arms out of his Kyuubi mode? Or use the Human Path to kill Obito, and fail horribly? Oh wait, perhaps he's going to use Chibaku Tensei... and murder the entire shinobi alliance along just to temporarily capture Obito? Please do provide an explanation for this, because I'm not going to get one from Condescence. I already asked him this several times, yet he just ignores.
The entire fighting style of the Rinnegan suits Naruto far more than Sasuke. Sasuke is an Offensive-Defensive hybrid, whereas Naruto is an all out offensive monster, who is entirely Ninjutsu based; which the Rinnegan largely supports given what we have seen from Nagato (Asura Path techs, Deva's abilities, Animal Path summonings etc.). Naruto would have more versatility with the Rinnegan, whereas Sasuke is already one of the most versatile fighters in the manga without the Rinnegan.

I mean, not even aesthetically does it suit the plot. Kishimoto designed Naruto to have blue eyes. He'll always have blue eyes when he's in his normal stance. The Rinnegan cannot be reverted, or at least we've never seen anyone do so. It's just like his orange uniform. No matter how much he sweats and bleeds into it, he'll always just dress the same outfit all the time. Do you imagine now, after 650 chapters, Kishimoto changing the main character's appearance?
Moot and irrelevant point.

And really, not even plot wise does it make any sense, it's just wishful thinking from Condescence because he's a Nagato fan. I already covered this point but a moderator was kind enough to delete my work on a whim, so I'm not going to bother answering it again.
When you're condescending, expect that to happen on a whim. And you haven't answered anything, but your inherent delusion is leading you to think that.

Pathetic.
 

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Condescence, you may have a mod friend deleting my posts because they destroy you, but my points still stand, and you're still 3-0 to me. But don't worry, I'm not going to 4-0 you here, I'm going to speak to a more reasonable person.

Hirudora, I don't know why you are supporting this guy. You defended reason when you spoke against Sir Derp Obito's theories, yet here you support this guy when he says Naruto will get Rinnegan? Like, doesn't the idea alone sound absolutely preposterous to you?

It's not a sum up of the entire manga. The sum up of the entire manga is that a Uchiha's final power up is the Rinnegan, as he then becomes just like the Elder Son. How can you have missed out on such an important fact?





And really, once again, a point that you are completely ignoring, how can you justify Naruto needing the Rinnegan to begin with? Is he going to use any of the six paths at all? Can't you see that it does not define who he is and it has no reason for replacing his current eyes? Like, seriously, what place does it have in his arsenal? Maybe he's going to use Asura Path when he can already pull additional arms out of his Kyuubi mode? Or use the Human Path to kill Obito, and fail horribly? Oh wait, perhaps he's going to use Chibaku Tensei... and murder the entire shinobi alliance along just to temporarily capture Obito? Please do provide an explanation for this, because I'm not going to get one from Condescence. I already asked him this several times, yet he just ignores.

I mean, not even aesthetically does it suit the plot. Kishimoto designed Naruto to have blue eyes. He'll always have blue eyes when he's in his normal stance. The Rinnegan cannot be reverted, or at least we've never seen anyone do so. It's just like his orange uniform. No matter how much he sweats and bleeds into it, he'll always just dress the same outfit all the time. Do you imagine now, after 650 chapters, Kishimoto changing the main character's appearance?

And really, not even plot wise does it make any sense, it's just wishful thinking from Condescence because he's a Nagato fan. I already covered this point but a moderator was kind enough to delete my work on a whim, so I'm not going to bother answering it again.
Dude it's just a theory, calm down.
 

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Hirudora, I don't know why you are supporting this guy. You defended reason when you spoke against Sir Derp Obito's theories, yet here you support this guy when he says Naruto will get Rinnegan? Like, doesn't the idea alone sound absolutely preposterous to you?

It's not a sum up of the entire manga. The sum up of the entire manga is that a Uchiha's final power up is the Rinnegan, as he then becomes just like the Elder Son. How can you have missed out on such an important fact?





And really, once again, a point that you are completely ignoring, how can you justify Naruto needing the Rinnegan to begin with? Is he going to use any of the six paths at all? Can't you see that it does not define who he is and it has no reason for replacing his current eyes? Like, seriously, what place does it have in his arsenal? Maybe he's going to use Asura Path when he can already pull additional arms out of his Kyuubi mode? Or use the Human Path to kill Obito, and fail horribly? Oh wait, perhaps he's going to use Chibaku Tensei... and murder the entire shinobi alliance along just to temporarily capture Obito? Please do provide an explanation for this, because I'm not going to get one from Condescence. I already asked him this several times, yet he just ignores.

I mean, not even aesthetically does it suit the plot. Kishimoto designed Naruto to have blue eyes. He'll always have blue eyes when he's in his normal stance. The Rinnegan cannot be reverted, or at least we've never seen anyone do so. It's just like his orange uniform. No matter how much he sweats and bleeds into it, he'll always just dress the same outfit all the time. Do you imagine now, after 650 chapters, Kishimoto changing the main character's appearance?

And really, not even plot wise does it make any sense, it's just wishful thinking from Condescence because he's a Nagato fan. I already covered this point but a moderator was kind enough to delete my work on a whim, so I'm not going to bother answering it again.
The reason of why I didn't agree with Sir Derp Obito's theory is that he based a lot of his statements on relationships with symbolism (speculation based on culture) rather than manga pages (logical possibilities). Of course, I still respect his efforts since they gave me another point of view on how create new contexts if I'm going to create stories with new perspectives. That's all right.

Trascendence in the other way is not using symbolism, he is making allusion to events that took place inside the manga, and he put possibilities over the table.

For instance, let me remind you (again) that Madara didn't awake the Rinnegan only because he was an Uchiha (or elder son's descendant). That is an INCOMPLETE answer. The Rinnegan was awakened because certain requirements were met again since the Sage's era... High quantity of Yin and Yang energy was concentrated inside a single entity (Madara). The Yin energy was already in his eyes (elder son's bloodline legacy) and the Yang energy was extracted from Senju DNA (Gedou Mazou). The images you referenced indeed is a "reasoning" inside the manga, made by Kabuto, who didn't know more than Madara about the Rinnegan. Madara of course clearified the TRUE origin of Rinnegan:




Yes. It seems you forgot a little detail... What lies beyond the Sharingan is the Rinnegan IF AND ONLY IF Senju DNA is giving the needed Yang Energy for this effect.

Now, if you think I'm confusing Yin with Eyes and Yang with Body...




The Eyes are related to the Elder Son, Spiritual Energy
The Body is related to the Younger Son, Physical Energy



The Spiritual Energy is the Basis of the Yin Power
The Physical Energy is the Basis of the Yang Power

When Both energies are combined, the Rinnegan is awakened. That's the essence of the Sage of Six Paths.

Following the logic of what I just said, based on the manga pages I referenced...

There is an equivalent method that existed once inside the storyline that let certain someone to awake the Rinnegan, and it was the Sage of Six Path, who was born with Yin and Yang Energy in abundance, thanks to the Tailed Beast Chakra that was given in the fruit Kaguya ate (the possibility of the Sage awakening the Rinnegan after becoming Jinchuuriki was discarded from the moment Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan didn't change into Rinnegan).

So, the possibility of Naruto awakening the Rinnegan is still out there, and the main reason is... "Tailed Beasts Chakra", or better said, Yin and Yang Energy in abundance. That's how the Elder and Younger son were born after all.

...now, if your logic of "Uchiha should awake the Rinnegan since that's a Doujutsu and Naruto should not be able to awake it" and you are ignoring how Uchiha clan was created or how did the first Rinnegan user born, then I can tell three things (independent, only one of them could be true) about your reasoning...

a) That could become a truth only because of Plot

or

b) You're in denial

or

c) You have a insightful argument, fair enough even to reduce to zero the possibility of Naruto awakening the Rinnegan (since based on my reasoning, Sasuke would still be able to awake that power, even with Naruto).

PS: Please, don't get mad with me or my 'change of heart'. I don't really defend a posture, I defend good argumentation. In the case of Transcendence, I didn't find a flaw on his arguments, I still don't find a way to break it. That's why I think it is a valid possibility. That's my policy, in my sig ;).
 
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I spent nearly an hour reading everything and trying to comprehend everything you said.

Nice threads though.

I would advise you to put some epic music in the beginning so someone can listen to it, it made me read both your threads without getting too bored.
 
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I spent nearly an hour reading everything and trying to comprehend everything you said.

Nice threads though.

I would advise you to put some epic music in the beginning so someone can listen to it, it made me read both your threads without getting too bored.
Sorry for wasting so much of your time... :shy: And I probably should have simplified it a bit. But I will note the addition of the music for future threads.
 

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It's still the same of what i showed you in my picture.

It says ''Hosted on zerochan.net use the share links provided instead!''
Well this is weird. It works in my OP, but it seemed to delete for some reason when I posted here...
EDIT: Well it seems it is gone for good. If I can find another link to the picture I will post it here. Sorry man.
 
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