Kabuto vs Nagato

[Draphsin]

so going underground needs more chakra than using a jutsu which is 1 a rinnegan tech 2 similar to ST and CT which exhausted Nagato to the point that he couldn't use deva abilities for minutes and later got destroyed by a rasengan

Go watch kakashi vs pein, bansho tennin is child's play. Nagato isn't getting exhausted from using it, lol..
& No, where the hell did I say that going underground requires more chakra? (however there's no proof stating that b/t is even chakra costly). & even if it does require more chakra, you still missed the whole point which was the handseals needed to mold the chakra. Molding chakra & activating a jutsu, a two step process in front of nagato who can use 1 attack to end him.

Honestly, I know you're a kabuto fanboy but this is gettinbg ridiculous...

and Nagato 1 never proved that bt can be used at such a great scale 2 when he used ct (the yinyangpair of bt) at large scale he needed almost a minute of prep time yet I already posted scan of Kabuto going underground in less than a second... so how is Nagato one shotting Kabuto unless the distance isn't short-mid... oh wait he cannot (unless the fight takes place in you imagination)

Bad point.

1. Itachi never proved that totsuka/yata can do what they're hyped to, so a RS can take care of it.

2. Wrong, s/t is not the opposite of b/t. s/t is a barrier that surrounds nagato as he uses it, this barrier is extremely powerful & affects all objects around him. Bansho tennin only focuses on one object & pulls that specific thing in. This proves that they are not the same so don't treat them that way, s/t & cbt are more powerful than bansho tennin & therefore b/t won't cost much chakra in comparison.

& lol its funny that you still think nagato can't close the gap, even if b/t doesn't work at long distances. Shunshin after sensing kabuto prepping a jutsu is all he needs, hiding like a mole? useless because nagato can sense where he will pop up. Edo tensei? Takes too long for kabuto & therefore nagato will get him in time.

his only attack is tbb which gets absorbed he can't dodge since he couldn't dodge Hiruzens attack who was slower than Kisame by feats
so Kisame still one-shots the Kyuubi(according to your logic)

Oh my f*cking goodness dude. There are so many things wrong with this....

1. Why is it so unbelievable to think that an akatsuki can't take down a bijuu? lol. Obito, nagato, itachi, sasori, deidara, & arguably kakuzu & even zetsu all have potential to one-shot a bijuu. Why is kisame so farfetched?

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, chomei can fly, but arguably all other bijuu can get demolished by such a jutsu. However as I said they do have counters.

3. You didn't see how kurama got hit, you have no idea if kurama just wasn't looking at hiruzen when he hit him. How do you know it wasn't just a surprise attack by him while the other ninja were holding kurama off? You don't, so don't say that he's slower with a half-assed feat.

4. Hiruzen is slower than kisame by feats? I'm sorry but when were they ever compared?

Kabuto had no reason to liquify lol

I guess kabuto had no reason to liquefy

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so what stops him from liquifying before the rocket hits him?

The same thing that stopped him from doing it in the above scans, he doesn't liquefy before an attack hits him.

water which is covered with solid matter... it can be clearly seen

& what is kabuto before he liquefies but not solid matter? the rockets may hit him as he's liquefying, but if he turns it into complete liquid then the snake is dealt with. Liquid doesn't stand erect, if kabuto liquefies to avoid any of the attacks whether they be from metal or from rockets, he will still lose the support which keeps the snake heads up. The snakes fall to asura's weapons & even if you don't think so, asura's laser can also evaporate the water which would make it even worse for kabuto.

I can't see him bting multiple objects so I'll just ignore this

Where did I say he can b/t multiple objects (& even so, he used deva on a boulder & naruto simultaneously so you're forgetting about the fact that he can use deva on two objects). This is you choosing to ignore the point which was that nagato can use multiple paths, specifically preta/human) simultaneously.

nope lol but it's enough

Heh, not even close. Kabuto turns to liquid & his snake limbs fall off due to gravity. Kabuto will droop to the floor while nagato is cleaning up the mess with preta.

Oh btw, you used kabuto's snakes as a means to attack nagato while he's using human path earlier, well how the hell do the snakes do anything if they're liquid? Ill just change nagato's asura use to defensive & then kabuto can't touch him, lol. Asura severs any limbs & the liquid get's its chakra absorbed via the preta that's already active. Kabuto's snakes won't do jack diddly squat here.

because he didn't use hydrafication when the snakes where decapicated with knowledge (I guess it's given since otherwise Nagato would start with fodder animals etc) it won't happen

Okay, & so what does kabuto do then? if the snakes have to liquefy in order to evade asura then tell me how they can even attack? They can't, the snakes will be subdued by asura, & kabuto's main body is being dealt with via preta/human.

your scan just proves that Naruto was chought off-guard since Kabuto instantly took control and attacked bt was already active when Nagato warned Kabuto

My scan proves that even naruto in KCM can be caught off guard due to the speed of b/t. How does kabuto know when b/t will be used? it will be just like the naruto v nagato situation because b/t is just that fast. & no it wasn't already active, do you not know how to read manga? it goes from right to left. Nagato spoke before he called out the jutsu name, he warned naruto before it got cast. Naruto wasn't able to react in time because the jutsu was fast enough to catch naruto as soon as nagato had finished speaking.

indeed Anko was needed because he had to control an army... too bad nothing suggests he can't control 5

Missed the point, even with anko's chakra shinobi were still resisting. Yes kabuto needed anko's chakra however he still struggled to contain the strong willed shinobi. This proves that even anko hardly helps kabuto when certain shinobi want to resist.

& even so I love how you disregard the time it takes for edos to be given talismans & then to gain their personality, during this time kabuto is already dead. I don't see how you believe kabuto is pulling this off when he's up against deva path. Honestly this fanboy logic is almost unbearable.

Obito went toe to toe with BM Naruto Bee Gai and Kakashi Nagato got owned by KCM Naruto

Nagato got owned by KCM naruto? Honestly get out of the fanfiction section, nagato owned bothe bee & naruto simultaneously. & obito was using kamui along with shunshin, of course he could go toe to toe with all of them.

anyway what proof do you have that Nagato mastered the rinnegan to the level he has shown later before he got crippled...

How do you know that Itachi gained totsuka/yata before he got sick & started going blind?

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asura propels nagato if you really wanna cripple him. However realize that by forcing me to do this you're telling me that you also believe Itachi gained totsuka/yata after he was sick & nearly blind, nothing to suggest otherwise. u_u

we can only speculate though in vs debates I don't use it since I prefer feats even though it would be good to say edo Itachi > edo Hashirama and edo Madara

So basically you're arguing against legitimate hype that hasn't been contradicted? Nothing suggests that yata can be broken so saying that it can break is the speculation. Slightly different case with b/t because a range was never specified however you saying that kabuto goes long range & nagato can't do anything is speculation on your part. & either way I have a way for nagato to get around this if range is a problem, what do you have for kabuto if long range doesn't work?

See, I'm considering every situation even if those situations happen to be speculations, you're simply trying to rebut that speculation by adding in your own. You have no alternative moves if your main points don't work. If long range b/t can grab kabuto then its the end, GG no re. Lol

not really.. you're the one who has to prove that Nagato can use super bt about 60 times faster than super ct

Super b/t? how far away are these two? lmfao. Are they a village's distance away? because then this statement may hold a bit of credibility, but as I said nagato is only focusing on one object so by common sense it takes less energy than creating a massive shockwave.

he isn't top5 lol

Yes he is, I just sh@t all over kabuto's base arsenal. He loses no diff if kabuto doesn't have prepped SM. Sorry

Kabuto's sm going didn't even take a chapter lel

It took long enough for Itachi to see the multiple pieces of kabuto, nagato does the same. What is kabuto's counter when he's a bunch of snakes slithering around? Its like shooting fish in a barrel at that point.

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Go watch kakashi vs pein, bansho tennin is child's play. Nagato isn't getting exhausted from using it, lol..
& No, where the hell did I say that going underground requires more chakra? (however there's no proof stating that b/t is even chakra costly). & even if it does require more chakra, you still missed the whole point which was the handseals needed to mold the chakra. Molding chakra & activating a jutsu, a two step process in front of nagato who can use 1 attack to end him.

too bad you still haven't proved Nagato can use bt at long distance without prep...

Honestly, I know you're a kabuto fanboy but this is gettinbg ridiculous...

Bad point.

1. Itachi never proved that totsuka/yata can do what they're hyped to, so a RS can take care of it.

it deflected Sasuke's explosive tags so it can block any kinf of explosion at any scale since its limits weren't shown

2. Wrong, s/t is not the opposite of b/t. s/t is a barrier that surrounds nagato as he uses it, this barrier is extremely powerful & affects all objects around him. Bansho tennin only focuses on one object & pulls that specific thing in. This proves that they are not the same so don't treat them that way, s/t & cbt are more powerful than bansho tennin & therefore b/t won't cost much chakra in comparison.

noone ever said the chakra the jutsu requires depends on the jutsu's strength/power/usefullnes and the manga strongly disagrees (edo tensei takes less chakra than animal summonings etc)

& lol its funny that you still think nagato can't close the gap, even if b/t doesn't work at long distances. Shunshin after sensing kabuto prepping a jutsu is all he needs, hiding like a mole? useless because nagato can sense where he will pop up. Edo tensei? Takes too long for kabuto & therefore nagato will get him in time.

Kabuto would be already under the ground...

Oh my f*cking goodness dude. There are so many things wrong with this....

1. Why is it so unbelievable to think that an akatsuki can't take down a bijuu? lol. Obito, nagato, itachi, sasori, deidara, & arguably kakuzu & even zetsu all have potential to one-shot a bijuu. Why is kisame so farfetched?

because Minato who's tiers above Kisame needed to die to one-shot it...

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, chomei can fly, but arguably all other bijuu can get demolished by such a jutsu. However as I said they do have counters.

3. You didn't see how kurama got hit, you have no idea if kurama just wasn't looking at hiruzen when he hit him. How do you know it wasn't just a surprise attack by him while the other ninja were holding kurama off? You don't, so don't say that he's slower with a half-assed feat.

4. Hiruzen is slower than kisame by feats? I'm sorry but when were they ever compared?

even if Hiruzen had help obvious inconsistent feat is obvious Kurama gets absorbed by GSB since he's basically chakra

I guess kabuto had no reason to liquefy

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The same thing that stopped him from doing it in the above scans, he doesn't liquefy before an attack hits him.

1 the arrow hasn't done any significant damage 2 Sasuke caught him off-guard so not really
he can liquify anytime unless you can prove he has less chakra than Suigetsu... he just isn't spamming it when it's not needed mostly because of his Uzumaki life force

& what is kabuto before he liquefies but not solid matter? the rockets may hit him as he's liquefying, but if he turns it into complete liquid then the snake is dealt with. Liquid doesn't stand erect, if kabuto liquefies to avoid any of the attacks whether they be from metal or from rockets, he will still lose the support which keeps the snake heads up. The snakes fall to asura's weapons & even if you don't think so, asura's laser can also evaporate the water which would make it even worse for kabuto.

evaporating the water takes far more time than going underground

Where did I say he can b/t multiple objects (& even so, he used deva on a boulder & naruto simultaneously so you're forgetting about the fact that he can use deva on two objects). This is you choosing to ignore the point which was that nagato can use multiple paths, specifically preta/human) simultaneously.

he still isn't oneshotiing 7 snakes

Heh, not even close. Kabuto turns to liquid & his snake limbs fall off due to gravity. Kabuto will droop to the floor while nagato is cleaning up the mess with preta.

Oh btw, you used kabuto's snakes as a means to attack nagato while he's using human path earlier, well how the hell do the snakes do anything if they're liquid? Ill just change nagato's asura use to defensive & then kabuto can't touch him, lol. Asura severs any limbs & the liquid get's its chakra absorbed via the preta that's already active. Kabuto's snakes won't do jack diddly squat here.

too bad he still escapes via oral rebirth easily unless he already turned into snakes in which case while Nagato kills two snakes the other 5 are already under the ground

Okay, & so what does kabuto do then? if the snakes have to liquefy in order to evade asura then tell me how they can even attack? They can't, the snakes will be subdued by asura, & kabuto's main body is being dealt with via preta/human.

he doesn't have to attack just enter sm

My scan proves that even naruto in KCM can be caught off guard due to the speed of b/t. How does kabuto know when b/t will be used? it will be just like the naruto v nagato situation because b/t is just that fast. & no it wasn't already active, do you not know how to read manga? it goes from right to left. Nagato spoke before he called out the jutsu name, he warned naruto before it got cast. Naruto wasn't able to react in time because the jutsu was fast enough to catch naruto as soon as nagato had finished speaking.

Naruto didn't except Nagato to attack because they were having a conversation bt was already active when Nagato warned him

Missed the point, even with anko's chakra shinobi were still resisting. Yes kabuto needed anko's chakra however he still struggled to contain the strong willed shinobi. This proves that even anko hardly helps kabuto when certain shinobi want to resist.

as I said most of them were strong willed... indeed he had trouble controlling an army 5 edos are still childsplay

& even so I love how you disregard the time it takes for edos to be given talismans & then to gain their personality, during this time kabuto is already dead. I don't see how you believe kabuto is pulling this off when he's up against deva path. Honestly this fanboy logic is almost unbearable.

summoning a few edos doesn't take much time 8 seconds at most... even Manda 2 can deal with Nagato for 8 seconds

Nagato got owned by KCM naruto? Honestly get out of the fanfiction section, nagato owned bothe bee & naruto simultaneously. & obito was using kamui along with shunshin, of course he could go toe to toe with all of them.

sry BM Naruto Bee Kakashi Gai > KCM Naruto base Bee Itachi
Nagato got owned Obito was toying around...

How do you know that Itachi gained totsuka/yata before he got sick & started going blind?

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asura propels nagato if you really wanna cripple him. However realize that by forcing me to do this you're telling me that you also believe Itachi gained totsuka/yata after he was sick & nearly blind, nothing to suggest otherwise. u_u

we don't know though considering that Sasuke was able to use amaterasu a few days after he gained MS and the fact that Itachi unlocked it a very young age healthy prime Itachi should have all his jutsus

So basically you're arguing against legitimate hype that hasn't been contradicted? Nothing suggests that yata can be broken so saying that it can break is the speculation. Slightly different case with b/t because a range was never specified however you saying that kabuto goes long range & nagato can't do anything is speculation on your part. & either way I have a way for nagato to get around this if range is a problem, what do you have for kabuto if long range doesn't work?

sorry you're the one who wants a jutsu to work on a scale on which it was never used in the manga...

See, I'm considering every situation even if those situations happen to be speculations, you're simply trying to rebut that speculation by adding in your own. You have no alternative moves if your main points don't work. If long range b/t can grab kabuto then its the end, GG no re. Lol

1 it isn't grabbing him by manga feats 2 he still escapes via oral rebirth or Manda2

Super b/t? how far away are these two? lmfao. Are they a village's distance away? because then this statement may hold a bit of credibility, but as I said nagato is only focusing on one object so by common sense it takes less energy than creating a massive shockwave.

once again whoever said the chakra requirement depends on the power of the jutsu

Yes he is, I just sh@t all over kabuto's base arsenal.

PC wannabes are getting annoying

He loses no diff if kabuto doesn't have prepped SM. Sorry

It took long enough for Itachi to see the multiple pieces of kabuto, nagato does the same. What is kabuto's counter when he's a bunch of snakes slithering around? Its like shooting fish in a barrel at that point.

he doesn't have to counter anything though Hiding Like a Mole counters 80% of his arsenal... Nagato simply can't finish them of before he could enter sm

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still acting like a PCwannabe lol

anyway plz use more simplified posts because I don't have tons of freetime... lel

 

[Nattana]

As I said that all takes place through one simple hand motion, kabuto needs to mold his chakra which he cant do without making the proper handseals.

One does not need handseals to use Hiding like a mole jutsu. Here's proof.

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Orochimaru had no access to his jutsu used with handseals, yet he managed to use Hiding like a mole. Kabuto can do the same, considering that he's shown some amazing chakra control and shape manipulation by traveling underground and maintaing 2 chakra scalpels at the same time.

 

[Draphsin]

too bad you still haven't proved Nagato can use bt at long distance without prep...

& you somehow proved that he cant? Sorry but you don't have the right to say that he isn't able to based on the lack of evidence.

& anyways I simply rebutted your reasons as to why you think its not possible by comparing the functions of the two jutsus. Wanna play this game? Well then too bad you still haven't proved that b/t is even chakra costly.

it deflected Sasuke's explosive tags so it can block any kinf of explosion at any scale since its limits weren't shown

If we don't want to contradict the manga then yes, this is correct. There is no proof or manga evidence that implies otherwise so why should we?

noone ever said the chakra the jutsu requires depends on the jutsu's strength/power/usefullnes and the manga strongly disagrees (edo tensei takes less chakra than animal summonings etc)

Lol oh my goodness, manga/kakashi disagree with you.

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In fact the whole SA disagrees with you, BM chakra sharing increases the scale of their jutsus immensely. Edo tensei vs summoning is an exception, in any normal cirsumstance adding more chakra to a jutsu will make it larger/more powerful, it is proven fact.

Kabuto would be already under the ground...

Way to avoid the point...

So basically what you're telling me is that kabuto can hide like a mole faster than nagato can b/t right? Well we've been arguing over whether one is faster than the other. Okay then lets assume that hiding like a mole is faster, what does kabuto then do next?? You have yet to provide any suitable counter to nagato basically playing whack a mole with kabuto. Hiding like a mole is useless, nagato easily finds him via sensing, pointless tactic.

Also, what's your counter if it isn't fast enough? :heh:

because Minato who's tiers above Kisame needed to die to one-shot it...

Is this abc logic I see? lol wow...Minato doesn't have a jutsu that can one-shot a bijuu so obviously its going to be a more difficult battle. I cant believe you even brought him up.....

Sure minato has a hard time against kurama, but that doesn't mean that kisame will.... :|

even if Hiruzen had help obvious inconsistent feat is obvious Kurama gets absorbed by GSB since he's basically chakra

What are you even going on about? You disregarded my counter to GSB as well as counted that sloppy speed feat which you cant even hold credible? This entire point is appalling.

1 the arrow hasn't done any significant damage 2 Sasuke caught him off-guard so not really

1. doesn't change the fact that kabuto got hit by it & then didn't liquefy until after, it hindered him when he didnt liquefy so there is no reason why he souldnt have.

2. how? He has SM sensing, lol.

he can liquify anytime unless you can prove he has less chakra than Suigetsu... he just isn't spamming it when it's not needed mostly because of his Uzumaki life force

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Read my posts, he doesn't liquefy until after he gets hit, he may be able to do it before but he still clearly tanks hits before he decides to do it. Suigetsu immediately turns to liquid (most likely because its second nature to him). Kabuto has been hit multiple times, yet not once can you provide a scan showing me kabuto turning to liquid as he's getting hit.

He might be able to, but manga feats clearly show us that he simply doesn't do it.

evaporating the water takes far more time than going underground

Wow, ignore my other points will you, I think we can see where this is going.

& as for your laser not evaporating faster than he can go underground. This is while kabuto is already in nagato's clutches.

he still isn't oneshotiing 7 snakes

Not all at once, but he's getting rid of them via the counter i presented earlier (the one you chose to blindly ignore), Lol.

too bad he still escapes via oral rebirth easily unless he already turned into snakes in which case while Nagato kills two snakes the other 5 are already under the ground

How exactly does he escape? lol, he escapes momentarily & b/t pulls his ass right back. Oral rebirth isn't doing anything to help him win, maybe he can waste some chakra but that's it.

& as for the snakes, lol show me a scan of snakes performing jutsu & maybe you have some credibility there.

he doesn't have to attack just enter sm

Nagato reaches all snakes & absorbs them before that can happen, asura rockets can explode near them & turn them into smoke piles if need be.

Naruto didn't except Nagato to attack because they were having a conversation bt was already active when Nagato warned him

Of course he did, nagato is not only an edo tensei but itachi just finished attacking them, that point of naruto not expecting any form of attack is wrong, otherwise why would he need to be in KCM then?

& naturally you ignore what I said about how to read manga, right to left. Nagato spoke before the jutsu name was called, & therefore he said that before he activated it. I'm not going to repeat myself again..

as I said most of them were strong willed... indeed he had trouble controlling an army 5 edos are still childsplay

This is also wrong, prove that most of them were strong willed, & even so prove that those strong willed shinobi even wanted to break free, or even thought about breaking free at that moment?

summoning a few edos doesn't take much time 8 seconds at most... even Manda 2 can deal with Nagato for 8 seconds

Summoning edos does not take 8 seconds, so don't go spouting that nonsense please. u_u Obito was able to react to kabuto summoning edos & that was before they could even step out of the coffins, nagato senses kabuto before that happens, deal with it.

sry BM Naruto Bee Kakashi Gai > KCM Naruto base Bee Itachi
Nagato got owned Obito was toying around...

What does this mean? Nagato took care of KCM so this comparison is completely empty.

Nagato molested naruto, obito was using kamui, end of discussion.

we don't know though considering that Sasuke was able to use amaterasu a few days after he gained MS and the fact that Itachi unlocked it a very young age healthy prime Itachi should have all his jutsus

No, we don't know how masterful nagato was either, same logic. The fact that nagato gained the rinnegan as a child should be the proof you need, but of course you're being completely ignorant to the fact that this is the exact same concept....... Now enough of this foolishness, you don't know when Itachi gained the weapons so I can easily say that he did so a month before he fought sasuke, no proof to claim otherwise. u_u

sorry you're the one who wants a jutsu to work on a scale on which it was never used in the manga...

& you're the one who wants to contradict it when it has never been stated to be false in the manga. Therefore if we cant agree on it then you should start developing another counter instead, just in case long range doesn't work. Otherwise I've trumped you by causing you to argue in circles.

1 it isn't grabbing him by manga feats 2 he still escapes via oral rebirth or Manda2

1. yes he is & you cant rebut it with facts.

2. oral rebirth does nothing but waste his chakra, manda 2 gets bypassed by chameleon/cerberus distraction.

once again whoever said the chakra requirement depends on the power of the jutsu

The shinobi alliance says hello.

PC wannabes are getting annoying

Lol hilarious, so because of the way I phrase my sentence I'm a PC wannabe now? flawless logic. /sarcasm

he doesn't have to counter anything though Hiding Like a Mole counters 80% of his arsenal... Nagato simply can't finish them of before he could enter sm

No it doesn't, hiding like a mole is suicide against a sensor, lol. Nagato simply knows wherever he will surface.....

still acting like a PCwannabe lol

Still using horrid logic I see, lol.

When has PC ever posted a "GG no re" picture? Please show me because I have no idea how you would even come to such a conclusion.

anyway plz use more simplified posts because I don't have tons of freetime... lel

You entered this debate with me so if you don't have the free time the you should've backed off.

One does not need handseals to use Hiding like a mole jutsu. Here's proof.

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Orochimaru had no access to his jutsu used with handseals, yet he managed to use Hiding like a mole. Kabuto can do the same, considering that he's shown some amazing chakra control and shape manipulation by traveling underground and maintaing 2 chakra scalpels at the same time.

Actually this is false, not only did the kusanagi play a role in his digging, but oro can use jutsus without his arms.

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Don't use oro as a basis for comparison, because he can still cast jutsu & mold chakra even though his hands are supposed to be incapacitated.

 

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& you somehow proved that he cant? Sorry but you don't have the right to say that he isn't able to based on the lack of evidence.

That's not how burden of proof works.... That's like me saying that there is a real pizza monster because you can't prove there isn't one.

 

[Draphsin]

That's not how burden of proof works.... That's like me saying that there is a real pizza monster because you can't prove there isn't one.

Sorry but this example doesn't work.

There is clear proof to suggest that pizzas are inanimate objects, & therefore cant live based on the things one needs to survive. Therefore saying that it does exist is false. There is proof which contradicts it.

If proof can contradict it then it is incorrect, if there is no proof that can then it becomes a possibility.

 

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One does not need handseals to use Hiding like a mole jutsu. Here's proof.

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Orochimaru had no access to his jutsu used with handseals, yet he managed to use Hiding like a mole. Kabuto can do the same, considering that he's shown some amazing chakra control and shape manipulation by traveling underground and maintaing 2 chakra scalpels at the same time.

That wasn't hiding like a mole. Nothing implied it was.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

as I said I'm a busy person so it's gonna be short

only feats matter...
if someone hasn't used a jutsu to the extent in the manga he cannot do it in a vs no matter how hard you want him to do it...
for example Kabuto filled the cave with white rage but it doesn't simply make him able to flood any place bigger than the cave simply because he doesn't have the feats to do it... this is how it works with every jutsu bt isn't exception...

in other words nothing stops Kabuto from summoning Manda2 and turning into a bunch of snakes and hiding in Manda2 (like Sasuke did) / going underground
Nagato's animals aren't taking down Manda2 in less than a minute since even Manda1 was durable enough to speak after c0 which was a FAR stronger attack than anything Nagato's summon (except gedo mazo which couldn't hit Hanzou) can provide...

 

[Shura]

That wasn't hiding like a mole. Nothing implied it was.

He is right on this one since Deidara was capable of using the Hiding like a Mole technique without arms.

 

[Nattana]

That wasn't hiding like a mole. Nothing implied it was.

Srsly? Ofc it was implied. Orochimaru uses Doton, one page earlier, his whole body was on the surface. Then suddenly he emerged from the ground. Do you really believe that he digged a hole enough to store his body by himsel AND managed to surprise Kyuubi at the same time?

BUT, if you're still not convinced enough, let me post another scans. Deidara using Hiding like a mole without an arm = no hand seals.

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[Curse Mark]

He is right on this one since Deidara was capable of using the Hiding like a Mole technique without arms.

That has nothing to do with what I was saying. I didn't say anything about whether it needed handsigns or not.