Linage

[Mille Ignis]

Let’s start with an outline of the linage first before we begin.

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Otsutsuki>>>>1) Hyuga

2) Uzumaki​

3)Sage of 6 paths>>>>4) Senju​

>>>>5) Uchiha​

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1.) Hyuga

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Chapter 78 Page 14

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As we can see from this panel, the Hyuga is one of the oldest clans. They are said to be even older than the Uchiha. However we know that the concept of chakra didn’t exist until Kaguya Otsutsuki ate the forbidden fruit. So how could the Hyuga clan exist before the Uchiha when the Sage was the first person to be born with an understanding of chakra? Well I have an answer to this.
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We do not know much of what happened to the Princess after she gave birth to the Sage, but we do know that she is a princess. Since this is a time of war, we can assume that Kaguya must have had some type of protectors to watched over her. Therefore, the branch house must have been created to protect the main house (Kaguya Otsutsuki).This would also explain as to why a "curse mark" forms on the forehead of the branch family after they turn three. It is because they swore and oath to protect the main family. Unfortunately this does not explain the existence of the Byakugan. So I must assume that Kaguya obtained the Byakugan after eating the forbidden fruit thus making it a kekkei genkai, that is said to be stronger than the sharingan.

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So how did the Sage obtain the rinnegan?

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Well in-order for him to do that he would of had to pass through the six states of "pain." Thus he became a Sage.

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2-3.) Uzumaki and the Sage of Six Paths

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Chapter 646 Page 8

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Chapter 500 Page 3

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The sage was part of the Otsustsuki clan, who lived near the God Tree and worshiped it. Since the God Tree has such strong nature chakra, it must have had an effect on the people around it. Therefor, they must have developed a strong body leading to a long life. If we compare the side effects by living next to the tree and the description of the Uzumaki clan, we can determine that they are one in the same. The Uzumaki clan originated from the Otsustsuki clan. They were more than likely the sages desciples, who learned his sealing techs. Then when the sage died they made their own clan and called themselves Uzumaki. So the sage is not an Uzumaki but his deciples were. This also explains why the Uzumaki were on such good terms with the Senju, and how they are distant relatives. Because they have a common ancestor, the Otsutsuki clan.
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4.) Senju

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Chapter 462 Page 13

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The sage created the Senju as shown. However I believe that the Senju married with the Uzumaki and that is why we see white hair periodically within the manga.I

5.) Uchiha

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Chapter 619 Page 15

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Chapter 625 Page 18

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The Uchiha are a clan of love as stated by Tobirama. So we can conclude that the older son unlocked the sharingan after see countless conrads die. We can see this mind set in Madara also. All of his brothers died and so did his closest team mates. As a result the older son believed that the only way to peace was power, since his father's teachings did not work. This is were the conflit began between Senju and Uchiha. That is why when Madara read the stone, he realized that "true peace" could not be obtained through love. It must be obtained through power. Thus, he decieded to back away from his plan with Hashirama.
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Sorry for any spelling errors. I think most of this is already known, but if there is something I am wrong on please let me know. The main reason that I am posting this is for conformation that what I think is right is, or at least someone agrees with me. Anyways, thank you for your time.

 

[the big boss]

will read in 2015

 

[Aquarius]

Pretty nice post i liked it, although i don't read the whole but i can still say its a nice post

 

[Xlad]

will read in 2015

This guy. I'm so gone.

 

[Urda]

will read in 2015

LMAO. I stop at Huuga and Uzumaki. It is fact that Uchiha are direct descendants of the Sage. Huuga origins are currently unknown. Uzumaki are distant relatives of the Senju. It was not stated of the Uzumaki origins, but it can be speculated that they are relatives of the Sage.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

There is something glaring at us from within the manga though:

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Why is there a Hagoromo clan, and why was it in Hashirama's time, merely 100 years ago? Why would there be a clan named after The Sage?

 

[ShiningStar]

will read in 2015

I only come on NB for the big boss' posts.

 

[The Sach]

Well nice post but disagree with few points for example, Hyuuga thing, currently we don't have enough proof except that Kakashi statement from part 1 which indicates that Hyuuga's were related to sage or sage was from Hyuuga clan...:yeah:

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Actually the Ōtsutsuki Bloodline and the Uzumaki is one and the same, the name simply changed after succeeding generations:

Ō with Dakuten is Ou

Tsu with Dakuten is Zu

Ouzuzuki = Uzumaki

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Unbeknownst to many, the Shinigami of the Reaper Death Seal is a woman:

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The Reaper is a Hannya Demon who are all females and solely females.

The Shinigami is also a priestess holding a prayer beads and reciting a prayer before commencing the sealing ritual:

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The Reaper's initial stance with it arms spread is a clerical/priestly stance:

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Like Rikūdou/Hagoromo's stance:

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It was established and well known by now that the Shiki Fūjin required Rikūdo/Hagoromo's Tablet as the catalyst for the Shinigami Mask to unseal the Reaper:

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It is because the Shiki Fūjin is Rikūdo/Hagoromo's Jutsu

and the Reaper is most probably Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, Rikūdo/Hagoromo's mother:

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As to why Kaguya became the Shinigami of the Shiki Fūjin, Kishimoto has not yet explained or revealed why, either as an end effect of eating the Shinju's fruit or as a mother's sacrifice to aid her son in fighting the Jūbi.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Derp! Why did you leave? What about the Hagoromo Clan?

 

[Mille Ignis]

There is something glaring at us from within the manga though:

Why is there a Hagoromo clan, and why was it in Hashirama's time, merely 100 years ago? Why would there be a clan named after The Sage?

I did not say that there was a clan named after Hagoromo; I only said the Otsutsuki clan because I do not know what her people called themselves. Also where did I say it was in Hashirama's time? I might have made a reference to his time period that confused you.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I did not say that there was a clan named after Hagoromo; I only said the Otsutsuki clan because I do not know what her people called themselves. Also where did I say it was in Hashirama's time? I might have made a reference to his time period that confused you.

I was just pointing out that, amongst these four families, there was one other that has the very Sage's name as the clan title. How is this, when we've been told these four families started it all? Is this a lie too? But then why were they around in Hashirama's time? What's the true origin? Or are these guys just fans of a legend who made a fanclub?

 

[Mille Ignis]

I was just pointing out that, amongst these four families, there was one other that has the very Sage's name as the clan title. How is this, when we've been told these four families started it all? Is this a lie too? But then why were they around in Hashirama's time? What's the true origin? Or are these guys just fans of a legend who made a fanclub?

You might be referring to the outline where I have the Sage's name as a place holder. I only put his name there as a reference to to show where the Senju and Uchiha clan came from. I guess it can be a little confusing, so I will edit it in the morning. As for now good night. Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[Laassee]

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[Mille Ignis]

Why did you hide the
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Just wanted to see if anyone would notice

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Actually the Ōtsutsuki Bloodline and the Uzumaki is one and the same, the name simply changed after succeeding generations:

Ō with Dakuten is Ou

Tsu with Dakuten is Zu

Ouzuzuki = Uzumaki

Spoiler

Unbeknownst to many, the Shinigami of the Reaper Death Seal is a woman:

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The Reaper is a Hannya Demon who are all females and solely females.

The Shinigami is also a priestess holding a prayer beads and reciting a prayer before commencing the sealing ritual:

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The Reaper's initial stance with it arms spread is a clerical/priestly stance:

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Like Rikūdou/Hagoromo's stance:

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It was established and well known by now that the Shiki Fūjin required Rikūdo/Hagoromo's Tablet as the catalyst for the Shinigami Mask to unseal the Reaper:

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It is because the Shiki Fūjin is Rikūdo/Hagoromo's Jutsu

and the Reaper is most probably Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, Rikūdo/Hagoromo's mother:

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As to why Kaguya became the Shinigami of the Shiki Fūjin, Kishimoto has not yet explained or revealed why, either as an end effect of eating the Shinju's fruit or as a mother's sacrifice to aid her son in fighting the Jūbi.

ehhh i dont think the tablet was a catalyst . i fact that tablet is not the same as the tablet madara showed hashi

I was just pointing out that, amongst these four families, there was one other that has the very Sage's name as the clan title. How is this, when we've been told these four families started it all? Is this a lie too? But then why were they around in Hashirama's time? What's the true origin? Or are these guys just fans of a legend who made a fanclub?

when were we told that they were only 4 families??? anyway *********** doesnt even have the sages name as hagaromo they useed a different name so your arguement doesnt hold up also you have to look outside the box a lil if the the uzumaki use the same seals as the sage of six paths what does that tell you? they are closer related than what ppl think

 

[Mr Hiru]

I won't argue about the analysis of manga pages, since they are facts, nonetheless. And they were enough well put (The linage tree is doubtful from my point of view since manga stated that Hagoromo is the ancestor of all shinobi and not just from his two sons. Of course I made my homework and investigated the raw version, so I know the manga is referring to a genetic bloodline relationship when the word 'ancestor' appeared, and not a philosophical nor teachings).

The only thing I disagree is this...

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...no offense, but if you don't reference something that has been explicited in the manga, then it is cultural speculation and can't be applied to Narutoverse's logic.