Kabuto vs Nagato

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Lol? Hanzō dodged that, Kabuto would make a joke out of it.

Not necessarily, Hanzo's a beast and used shushin to avoid it. Combining the dragon with bansho tenin can end Kabuto.

 

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Not necessarily, Hanzo's a beast and used shushin to avoid it. Combining the dragon with bansho tenin can end Kabuto.

Perhaps, although I doubt Nagato could even use that after he gets pierced by those black rods.

 

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None, i repeat none of these things are faster than raising one's hand & activating a b/t.

@Bold: He can't use in base.

Kabuto gets pulled in, his best shot in cqc is his chakra scalpel, the snakes get severed via asura & the scalpel is preta'd.

All during this kabuto gets human'd. If kabuto tries to liquefy then it makes it even easier for nagato to absorb his chakra/soul.

so
1 when was it stated that bt is faster than hiding like a mole?

2 when was it stated that the starting distance is short or mid?

 

[Draphsin]

so
1 when was it stated that bt is faster than hiding like a mole?

2 when was it stated that the starting distance is short or mid?

1 when its common knowledge that raising a hand takes a shorter amount of time than casting jutsu, not even kcm naruto was able to react in time (he was already mid air).

Even if kabuto manages it, nagato can sense his chakra so its a pointless tactic.

2 when? it doesnt matter, short, mid, long. Nagato is closing the gap via b/t

 

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Not necessarily, Hanzo's a beast and used shushin to avoid it. Combining the dragon with bansho tenin can end Kabuto.

Before using the dragon, Nagato syncs with Gedo Mazo by letting himself being stabbed by Chakra rods and lets his whole Chakr being absorbed. A time and power consuming attack. What if Kabuto, while Nagato is preparing that, will use the White Rage technique? I don't see a legit counter for that. While under the effect of the White Rage technique, Kabuto can use Sawarabi no Mai.

People are taking th easy way out. Thinking that Nagato will simply end by combining his techniques, ignoring Kabuto's answers is way members here are always tend to think in a versus thread.

The Oto Quintet's and Orochimaru's abilities (like oral rebirth), Suigetsu's liquefy technique, regeneration, Sage Mode with distinct sensing abilities which allow him to dodge Susanoo's arrow and techniques like White Rage which are almost uncountable. Plus, Kabuto has knowledge on Nagato and the Rinnegan. This won't be a simple Bansho Tenin + Human-Path/Asura-Path kill. Doubtlessly not.

 

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1 when its common knowledge that raising a hand takes a shorter amount of time than casting jutsu, not even kcm naruto was able to react in time (he was already mid air).

Even if kabuto manages it, nagato can sense his chakra so its a pointless tactic.

2 when? it doesnt matter, short, mid, long. Nagato is closing the gap via b/t

sm naruto hasn't shown comparable speed feats to kabuto

bansho tenin is also a jutsu lol

bt has limits... in long distance it won't work... unlike edo tensei...

 

[Draphsin]

sm naruto hasn't shown comparable speed feats to kabuto

KCM naruto..

bansho tenin is also a jutsu lol

Not a normal jutsu, no handseals are needed.

bt has limits... in long distance it won't work... unlike edo tensei...

Proof?

Edo tensei...Please dont bring that jutsu into this.....

 

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KCM naruto..



Not a normal jutsu, no handseals are needed.

neither hiding like a mole requires handseals

Proof?

lmao what kind of proof do you want?... when Kakashi was bt everything behind Kakashi should have flown to Deva if it had no limits

Edo tensei...Please dont bring that jutsu into this.....

because needing +1 body to control 30 people makes you unable to control 3 or 2 or what?

or because placing the tags takes so much time that Nagato aka the fastest ninja ever will prevent Kabuto from doing it on long distance?

why is it not surprising at all that everyone who doesn't aknowledge edo tensei as the users power is a biased Kabuto or Oro hater (or both)

 

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Nagato does every time outside,

If you put him in that stupid cave then its close...

 

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loacation? intel? restrictions? we need this info
with edos kabuto shit stomps

 

[Draphsin]

neither hiding like a mole requires handseals

We havent seen them, all jutsus require some form of handseals to mold the chakra.

& either way as I said its pointless, nagato is a sensor so he can simply wait where kabuto will appear.

lmao what kind of proof do you want?... when Kakashi was bt everything behind Kakashi should have flown to Deva if it had no limits

Lol dont be silly, that's not proof. Nagato focuses his b/t on 1 object & pulls it in, nothing else. By your logic the water from nagato's boulder should've also gotten pulled along from the river it was in, however this was not the case.

Sorry but there's no proof, how do you have any idea that b/t cant be used as long as the user can see his enemy?

There's nothing stating that b/t is limited to a certain distance, why are you adding fake restrictions? b/t can be used in any battle situation where he can see the enemy (in this case kabuto).

because needing +1 body to control 30 people makes you unable to control 3 or 2 or what?

Because that 1 body is the reason why strong willed shinobi are even listening to his commands.

or because placing the tags takes so much time that Nagato aka the fastest ninja ever will prevent Kabuto from doing it on long distance?

Think about the sequence for 1 second before spouting u_u

Kabuto summons edo tensei coffins, edos step out, kabuto adds talismans...That is a three step process. & you're telling me that nagato cant b/t before kabuto can finish the sequence? lmfao, really? Sorry my friend but kabuto will be getting pulled in before he has a chance to even pull the tags from under his robe.

Also I almost forgot about the time it takes for the tags to add in the full consciousness, & the fact that anko gives kabuto remote control.

why is it not surprising at all that everyone who doesn't aknowledge edo tensei as the users power is a biased Kabuto or Oro hater (or both)

I hate those two simply because of the massive d*ckriding in regards to edo tensei, without that jutsu ruining peoples perspectives on the characters then id have absolutely no problem with them. Actually that's not entirely true, I just dont like oro's obsession with uchiha children, but other than his weird fetish he's okay.

 

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Uber chakra cannon GG

 

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Nagato solos Narutoverse every time.

 

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if they were in the cave kabuto would most likely win, that one jutsu that blinds and screws up your ears (forgot the name) and also paralyses you has potential to one shot hmm

 

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We havent seen them, all jutsus require some form of handseals to mold the chakra.

lmao you don't need chakra to go underground

& either way as I said its pointless, nagato is a sensor so he can simply wait where kabuto will appear.

yup he can wait for a clay clone feint + Muu + 3rd Raikage + the solo king

Lol dont be silly, that's not proof. Nagato focuses his b/t on 1 object & pulls it in, nothing else. By your logic the water from nagato's boulder should've also gotten pulled along from the river it was in, however this was not the case.
Sorry but there's no proof, how do you have any idea that b/t cant be used as long as the user can see his enemy?
There's nothing stating that b/t is limited to a certain distance, why are you adding fake restrictions? b/t can be used in any battle situation where he can see the enemy (in this case kabuto).

doesn't really matter... since it was never proven that amaterasu has limits distancewise now Sasuke can amaterasu the moon? Giant shark bomb's limits also unrevealed so I guess it can seal the Kyuubi and Juubi no diff since they're basically made of chakra

anyway if he focuses on 1 object what stops the snakes from going underground while Nagato is dealing with one? like Nagato could bt + soulrip (since physical attacks are shat on by Suigetsus KKG unless Nagato uses preta...) so unless you seriously believe going underground for a tiny snake takes more time than using BT than Preta than chakrarod-stab multiple times (since considering the amount of snakes Nagato has about 20% chance at most to start with the right one)

Kabuto can easily go underground


Because that 1 body is the reason why strong willed shinobi are even listening to his commands.

he controlled like 30 people so how can he not control 4?
most of them had strong will

Think about the sequence for 1 second before spouting u_u

Kabuto summons edo tensei coffins, edos step out, kabuto adds talismans...That is a three step process. & you're telling me that nagato cant b/t before kabuto can finish the sequence? lmfao, really? Sorry my friend but kabuto will be getting pulled in before he has a chance to even pull the tags from under his robe.

I was talking about long range

Also I almost forgot about the time it takes for the tags to add in the full consciousness, & the fact that anko gives kabuto remote control.

this is why alone he cannot control 20 or 30...

I hate those two simply because of the massive d*ckriding in regards to edo tensei, without that jutsu ruining peoples perspectives on the characters then id have absolutely no problem with them. Actually that's not entirely true, I just dont like oro's obsession with uchiha children, but other than his weird fetish he's okay.

noone's dickriding Lol you simply don't like Kabuto lel
everytime you enter a Kabuto thread you are trying to prevent him from using DSM and Edo Tensei instead of countering them... which I find a bit coward (sry)
though I still respect you because you often support two of my favorite characters Uchiha Solo King Itachi and Enma :O

 

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lmao you don't need chakra to go underground

Read what the jutsu does for yourself u_u

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By infusing chakra with the earth, one is able to turn it into sand & burrow underneath.

Kabuto needs to mold chakra, b/t picks him up before he can attempt to go underground.

yup he can wait for a clay clone feint + Muu + 3rd Raikage + the solo king

He isnt summoning edos, he cant add in the tags fast enough. When he summons the coffins & attempts to program them he gets b/t'd

doesn't really matter... since it was never proven that amaterasu has limits distancewise now Sasuke can amaterasu the moon? Giant shark bomb's limits also unrevealed so I guess it can seal the Kyuubi and Juubi no diff since they're basically made of chakra

Lol so because we haven't seen the limits of the jutsus you mentioned you're assuming arbitrary limitations that best fit your argument, for example:

Sasuke; how do you know the reason why he cant ama the moon? Maybe he just lacks the chakra capacity. You realize how far it is right? When have you ever seen sasuke say that something was too far for ama? Or when have you ever seen sasuke/Itachi move closer in order to use ama? These are the pieces of evidence you need in order to make this assumption, otherwise the reason why he cant ama the moon could be one of many, range is a possibility but there is no proof stating that it is.

& GSB; It can absorb tbbs if we go by its hype, why are you adding limits to it? That's like me saying yata can be shattered due to the force of tbbs. As far as we know GSB can absorb as much of a bijuus chakra as it wants, however there are counters for this jutsu, it doesnt automatically "solo" bijuu but it can solo them.

Btw; the juubi would absorb GSB, not the other way around. Juubi is the embodiment of chakra, that's like saying preta/samehada can both absorb the juubi's chakra as well. Obviously we're going to have to use logic here & assume that GSB cant absorb the juubi's chakra. If you want to you can however you would need to prove why GSB's absorption is > the shinju's.

anyway if he focuses on 1 object what stops the snakes from going underground while Nagato is dealing with one?

He uses b/t to pull kabuto in & uses asura path laser/weapons to decapitate the snakes just as susanoo did

like Nagato could bt + soulrip (since physical attacks are shat on by Suigetsus KKG unless Nagato uses preta...)

Lol nagato uses soul rip/preta simultaneously, he can do it, he has the feats.

so unless you seriously believe going underground for a tiny snake takes more time than using BT than Preta than chakrarod-stab multiple times (since considering the amount of snakes Nagato has about 20% chance at most to start with the right one)

Im sorry but when did I ever mention the chakra rods? He doesnt need them & kabuto can liquefy right through them. As I said asura takes care of the snakes with lasers & rockets, he has more than enough to subdue the snakes & remove them from being a threat.

Kabuto can easily go underground

No he cant.

he controlled like 30 people so how can he not control 4?

most of them had strong will

I'm talking about anko, without her the strong willed shinobi have a high chance to disobey or resist kabuto's commands.

I was talking about long range

& what? You think that a simple shunshin is harder to do than summon edos? Obito effortlessly moved back before the edos could even step out of the coffins, nagato who's a sensor can easily sense when kabuto would cast the jutsu, using shunshin to get close is easy.

But regardless, unless you believe yata has limits then arguing from long range is moot u_u

this is why alone he cannot control 20 or 30...

Did you misunderstand my first point? I said that it takes time for kabuto to add in their personalities. When kabuto adds in the tags there is still a period of time before they can be used, this is a huge opening for nagato who would notice that kabuto is reviving the dead.

noone's dickriding you simply don't like Kabuto lel

Funny thing is I like kabuto more than oro, & this was before he revived the hokage.

everytime you enter a Kabuto thread you are trying to prevent him from using DSM and Edo Tensei instead of countering them... which I find a bit coward (sry)

Well I'm sorry for playing by the rules, not my fault that people think kabuto can immediately enter DSM and spam his edos. I'm simply correcting any who believe that to be the case. & I do the same thing with jiraiya, if he doesnt start in SM then he loses to many ninja with relative ease. It's the downfall, the weakness of the jutsu, so why are you removing it?

though I still respect you because you often support two of my favorite characters Uchiha Solo King Itachi and Enma

Well I appreciate it I guess, lol

 

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By infusing chakra with the earth, one is able to turn it into sand & burrow underneath.

Kabuto needs to mold chakra, b/t picks him up before he can attempt to go underground.

like bt didn't require chakra

He isnt summoning edos, he cant add in the tags fast enough. When he summons the coffins & attempts to program them he gets b/t'd

he can easily summon edos

Lol so because we haven't seen the limits of the jutsus you mentioned you're assuming arbitrary limitations that best fit your argument, for example:

Sasuke; how do you know the reason why he cant ama the moon? Maybe he just lacks the chakra capacity. You realize how far it is right? When have you ever seen sasuke say that something was too far for ama? Or when have you ever seen sasuke/Itachi move closer in order to use ama? These are the pieces of evidence you need in order to make this assumption, otherwise the reason why he cant ama the moon could be one of many, range is a possibility but there is no proof stating that it is.

& GSB; It can absorb tbbs if we go by its hype, why are you adding limits to it? That's like me saying yata can be shattered due to the force of tbbs. As far as we know GSB can absorb as much of a bijuus chakra as it wants, however there are counters for this jutsu, it doesnt automatically "solo" bijuu but it can solo them.

feel free to use #Tobirama floods the universe logic# but don't except anyone to take it seriously

Btw; the juubi would absorb GSB, not the other way around. Juubi is the embodiment of chakra, that's like saying preta/samehada can both absorb the juubi's chakra as well. Obviously we're going to have to use logic here & assume that GSB cant absorb the juubi's chakra. If you want to you can however you would need to prove why GSB's absorption is > the shinju's.

sry I frogot the juubi can absorb chakra... then replace it with Kurama...

He uses b/t to pull kabuto in & uses asura path laser/weapons to decapitate the snakes just as susanoo did

laser is for slicing so technically it will work like a sword which is useless against the likes of Suigetsu
..rockets... lol... what happens if you launch a rocket towards the ocean or a river... it wont explode when it hits the target only when it hits something solid... the rockets will explode when they hit the ground which won't do enough damage since they lack the destructive capability to kill anything with the Hozuki kkg + Uzumaki dna without a direct hit which isn't happening

Lol nagato uses soul rip/preta simultaneously, he can do it, he has the feats.

since when

Im sorry but when did I ever mention the chakra rods? He doesnt need them & kabuto can liquefy right through them. As I said asura takes care of the snakes with lasers & rockets, he has more than enough to subdue the snakes & remove them from being a threat.

rods rockets or laser... it doesn't really matter for the reasons listed above
he needs direct contact to finish the snakes of... all of them since it's not possible to make a difference as it was shown during the Kabuto vs Uchiha bros fight

No he cant.

too bad it took him

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I'm talking about anko, without her the strong willed shinobi have a high chance to disobey or resist kabuto's commands.

well if he needed 2 bodies to control at least 10 strong willed shinobies + 10 mid willed shinodies + 10 fodder willed ones (yes pulling these numbers out of my ass since you don't believe they were all strong willed (which is a bit disrespectful btw)) it's safe to say he can control at least 5 strong willed ones unless you're a biased hater...

& what? You think that a simple shunshin is harder to do than summon edos? Obito effortlessly moved back before the edos could even step out of the coffins, nagato who's a sensor can easily sense when kabuto would cast the jutsu, using shunshin to get close is easy.

unless we're talking about the fanfiction healthy Nagato his speed isn't even comparable to Obito's

But regardless, unless you believe yata has limits then arguing from long range is moot u_u

even Itachi fans (except trolls) know Yata isn't > nv

Did you misunderstand my first point? I said that it takes time for kabuto to add in their personalities. When kabuto adds in the tags there is still a period of time before they can be used, this is a huge opening for nagato who would notice that kabuto is reviving the dead.

long distance is long distance... also Kakashi Naruto Hashirama are allowed to start with clone feint so I can't see why Kabuto isn't simply a clay clone... btw he doesn't have to use it at the beginning though since bt isn't solong nv on long distance Nagato obviously can't one-shot him...

Funny thing is I like kabuto more than oro, & this was before he revived the hokage.



Well I'm sorry for playing by the rules, not my fault that people think kabuto can immediately enter DSM and spam his edos. I'm simply correcting any who believe that to be the case. & I do the same thing with jiraiya, if he doesnt start in SM then he loses to many ninja with relative ease. It's the downfall, the weakness of the jutsu, so why are you removing it?

Jman barely managed to go sm against the 3 weakest Pein so he doesn't really compare to someone who almost didn't get solo'd by Itachi

 

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like bt didn't require chakra

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As I said that all takes place through one simple hand motion, kabuto needs to mold his chakra which he cant do without making the proper handseals.

he can easily summon edos

No he cant, already proved this wrong.

feel free to use #Tobirama floods the universe logic# but don't except anyone to take it seriously

Does tobirama have the chakra to do so? This was my first point, sasuke doesnt have the chakra to hit the moon, tobirama doesnt have the chakra to "flood the universe" its logic.

sry I frogot the juubi can absorb chakra... then replace it with Kurama...

Okay & kurama can counter GSB. If kurama gets hit with it he falls though but he does have counters.

laser is for slicing so technically it will work like a sword which is useless against the likes of Suigetsu

What? okay then I guess susanoo didnt cut clean through two snake heads before they started to liquefy.

Swords work, hydrification doesnt kick in until afterwards.

..rockets... lol... what happens if you launch a rocket towards the ocean or a river... it wont explode when it hits the target only when it hits something solid... the rockets will explode when they hit the ground which won't do enough damage since they lack the destructive capability to kill anything with the Hozuki kkg + Uzumaki dna without a direct hit which isn't happening

@Bold: Oh my goodness....Did you just reread what you wrote? Lol this is almost sig worthy bro..

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Water exploding ^^^, now please go on to tell me how this wont work?

since when

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He can even use asura while soul ripping.

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rods rockets or laser... it doesn't really matter for the reasons listed above

is kabuto's hydrification your only counter to rockets & weapons? Not the best... :heh:

he needs direct contact to finish the snakes of... all of them since it's not possible to make a difference as it was shown during the Kabuto vs Uchiha bros fight

No he doesnt, he just needs to chop their heads off, lol yes you're right it was shown during the uchiha bros fight that kabuto can get

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. Are you arguing with the manga now? Lol

too bad it took him

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This scan even proves me right, kabuto went underground after the attack was cast, kabuto would already be in mid air by that time.

The funny thing about my scan is that nagato warned naruto about his body moving on its own yet naruto still got caught, simply laughable if you think kabuto can go underground before the above takes place.

well if he needed 2 bodies to control at least 10 strong willed shinobies + 10 mid willed shinodies + 10 fodder willed ones (yes pulling these numbers out of my ass since you don't believe they were all strong willed (which is a bit disrespectful btw)) it's safe to say he can control at least 5 strong willed ones unless you're a biased hater...

Sorry but your counter had potential...However no, pulling numbers out of your ass, really...? Anyways, oro had no talismans in either hiruzen or minato, yet they not only gained their personalities but oro was able to control how much power the hokage were revived with, & this was all with the chakra that he absorbed from kabuto.

Anyways point is that anko's chakra greatly increased kabuto's binding power, just as kabuto's greatly increased oro's. Without anko's chakra ninja were resisting all over the place. Sasori, Sai's brother, hanzo (who completely contradicted orders), & even with anko's chakra ninja were still resisting (zabuza/haku).

Strong willed shinobi, no matter how many he's controlling will still give kabuto trouble. Kishi gave us multiple examples of how kabuto can easily lose a shinobi who isnt under full control.

unless we're talking about the fanfiction healthy Nagato his speed isn't even comparable to Obito's

This is a terrible excuse, obito's shunshin speed is nothing special. Nagato has access to his legs, or do you always count Itachi with his sickness & near-blindness? Lol

even Itachi fans (except trolls) know Yata isn't > nv

Okay then tell me what yata cant block? Because if it can't block tbbs then by your logic it can't block anything with enough force, deidara's C-0? Jinton? What cant yata tank?

long distance is long distance... also Kakashi Naruto Hashirama are allowed to start with clone feint so I can't see why Kabuto isn't simply a clay clone... btw he doesn't have to use it at the beginning though since bt isn't solong nv on long distance Nagato obviously can't one-shot him...

No they arent, when are they allowed a feint? That's prep, if they want to feint then they have to cause a distraction, nobody is allowed any outside help here.

& lol you have yet to prove the limitations of b/t so saying it can't be used from long distances is fanfiction.

Why do you think nagato is top 5? There's a reason why he solos practically anyone who isnt god tier, not saying kabuto isnt but he just cant compare to nagato without SM prep.

Jman barely managed to go sm against the 3 weakest Pein so he doesn't really compare to someone who almost didn't get solo'd by Itachi

That doesnt matter, he still had the time limit, so does kabuto. You arent restricting it & I can show you how many manga panels it took before he finally entered it (if you want, but you can look for yourself u_u), with a lot of conversing in the meantime.

Its not about comparison, jiraiya & kabuto take long to enter SM, its that simple.

 

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As I said that all takes place through one simple hand motion, kabuto needs to mold his chakra which he cant do without making the proper handseals.

so going underground needs more chakra than using a jutsu which is 1 a rinnegan tech 2 similar to ST and CT which exhausted Nagato to the point that he couldn't use deva abilities for minutes and later got destroyed by a rasengan

No he cant, already proved this wrong.

lmao

Does tobirama have the chakra to do so? This was my first point, sasuke doesnt have the chakra to hit the moon, tobirama doesnt have the chakra to "flood the universe" its logic.

and Nagato 1 never proved that bt can be used at such a great scale 2 when he used ct (the yinyangpair of bt) at large scale he needed almost a minute of prep time yet I already posted scan of Kabuto going underground in less than a second... so how is Nagato one shotting Kabuto unless the distance isn't short-mid... oh wait he cannot (unless the fight takes place in you imagination)

Okay & kurama can counter GSB. If kurama gets hit with it he falls though but he does have counters.

his only attack is tbb which gets absorbed he can't dodge since he couldn't dodge Hiruzens attack who was slower than Kisame by feats
so Kisame still one-shots the Kyuubi(according to your logic)

What? okay then I guess susanoo didnt cut clean through two snake heads before they started to liquefy.

Kabuto had no reason to liquify lol

Swords work, hydrification doesnt kick in until afterwards.

so what stops him from liquifying before the rocket hits him?

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Water exploding ^^^, now please go on to tell me how this wont work?

water which is covered with solid matter... it can be clearly seen

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He can even use asura while soul ripping.

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I can't see him bting multiple objects so I'll just ignore this

is kabuto's hydrification your only counter to rockets & weapons? Not the best... :heh:

nope lol but it's enough

No he doesnt, he just needs to chop their heads off, lol yes you're right it was shown during the uchiha bros fight that kabuto can get

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. Are you arguing with the manga now? Lol

because he didn't use hydrafication when the snakes where decapicated with knowledge (I guess it's given since otherwise Nagato would start with fodder animals etc) it won't happen

& you think its faster than

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This scan even proves me right, kabuto went underground after the attack was cast, kabuto would already be in mid air by that time.
The funny thing about my scan is that nagato warned naruto about his body moving on its own yet naruto still got caught, simply laughable if you think kabuto can go underground before the above takes place.

your scan just proves that Naruto was chought off-guard since Kabuto instantly took control and attacked bt was already active when Nagato warned Kabuto

Sorry but your counter had potential...However no, pulling numbers out of your ass, really...? Anyways, oro had no talismans in either hiruzen or minato, yet they not only gained their personalities but oro was able to control how much power the hokage were revived with, & this was all with the chakra that he absorbed from kabuto.

Anyways point is that anko's chakra greatly increased kabuto's binding power, just as kabuto's greatly increased oro's. Without anko's chakra ninja were resisting all over the place. Sasori, Sai's brother, hanzo (who completely contradicted orders), & even with anko's chakra ninja were still resisting (zabuza/haku).

Strong willed shinobi, no matter how many he's controlling will still give kabuto trouble. Kishi gave us multiple examples of how kabuto can easily lose a shinobi who isnt under full control.

indeed Anko was needed because he had to control an army... too bad nothing suggests he can't control 5

This is a terrible excuse, obito's shunshin speed is nothing special. Nagato has access to his legs, or do you always count Itachi with his sickness & near-blindness? Lol

Obito went toe to toe with BM Naruto Bee Gai and Kakashi Nagato got owned by KCM Naruto

anyway what proof do you have that Nagato mastered the rinnegan to the level he has shown later before he got crippled...

Okay then tell me what yata cant block? Because if it can't block tbbs then by your logic it can't block anything with enough force, deidara's C-0? Jinton? What cant yata tank?

we can only speculate though in vs debates I don't use it since I prefer feats even though it would be good to say edo Itachi > edo Hashirama and edo Madara

No they arent, when are they allowed a feint? That's prep, if they want to feint then they have to cause a distraction, nobody is allowed any outside help here.

& lol you have yet to prove the limitations of b/t so saying it can't be used from long distances is fanfiction.

not really.. you're the one who has to prove that Nagato can use super bt about 60 times faster than super ct

Why do you think nagato is top 5? There's a reason why he solos practically anyone who isnt god tier, not saying kabuto isnt but he just cant compare to nagato without SM prep.

he isn't top5 lol

That doesnt matter, he still had the time limit, so does kabuto. You arent restricting it & I can show you how many manga panels it took before he finally entered it (if you want, but you can look for yourself u_u), with a lot of conversing in the meantime.

Its not about comparison, jiraiya & kabuto take long to enter SM, its that simple.

Kabuto's smgoing didn't even take a chapter lel

 

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