sexy name and avatar, you are winner and I love you (¬‿¬)
You didn't give a reason why Orochimaru wins
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I'll just let KG deal with you.
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EMS Sasuke vs. The three Sannin
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I'll just let KG deal with you.
But how does deny his use of this ability? There has never been anything stated that imperfect SM lacks abilities ccompared those who perfected it. The only difference is there ability to enter SM, unless there is a scan stating ssomething along those lines. That'slike saying a sharaingan user cant perform genjutsu until. Obviously the levels vary, but all have this ability.
It was never stated, but its obvious to me that if Jiraiya has SM sensing abilities he wouldnt overlook what was happening behind his back in Rain village.
In vs. threads we should only consider abilities that were displayed, yet Jiraiya never proved that he has sensing abilities.
KillerMongoose
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Remeber we noticed that senors have shown the need to concentrate in order to sense. This is what you applied to regular senors, but now that we see that that Naruto scan doesnt add up, iit's same to assume that Naruto's level of sensing wasnt always the level it is now. Jirya at that moment let his guard down completely, not even Ma and Pa noticed his approach. In VS threads we apply what is sensible, all SM forms have shown sensing, not all Sharingan users used genjutsu but we know they possess it. Would we exclude that?
This isn't saying this makes a difference in the fight necessarily, but this should be considered.
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What even...
1. Regardless of inferiority, it's like you're implying Orochimaru can't spawn more snakes out of himself to reattach himself again... The burns won't even be there because the effected areas will have been replaced.
2. A massive amount for 3 tomoe Sasuke... Orochimaru is on a different level chakra wise, and not to mention he is made up entirely of Hashirama's dna. Chakra levels = boosted, and the quality of his chakra is much higher.
1. On the ametarsu part, I think I've proven you wrong with #2 above, unless you beg to differ.
2. It doesn't matter if his insides are burnt... Oral rebirth is a substitution jutsu... The initial body is essentially the log, and the body coming out the mouth is the actual body. Orochimaru isn't actually wearing the skin over his body, he's just using a jutsu that takes the hit, and allows him to step out unharmed.
3. Orochimaru is easily top 5 knowledgeable ninja in NV. He figured out a way to decipher the Uchiha Shrine... His ninja way was to learn every single jutsu. Why is it you think he doesn't have jutsu that we haven't seen yet. Actually, it's actually dimwitted to assume that he doesn't. Not even to mention Orochimaru now has mokuton, which provides him with both a strong defense and offense... Good luck with your counter.
Well considering you didn't make it blunt that this is a 1 v 1, how would I know...? You didn't even indicate to me that you were angry I said Jiraiya solo's? Unless you mean this, "..............................................". Sorry homie, I don't speak dots... :|
1. It takes them a while to be synced, correct, however they were already ready to use it with Naruto blitzing Pain, so it seemingly doesn't take that long to sync. It probably seems that way because it's impossible to tell time in manga scans.
2. Starting with SM means he doesn't get SM he just gets Shima and Fukasaku... How does that make any sense... Starting with SM means he starts with SM active... The second bit was talking about your comment that Sasuke could kill Jiraiya before he activates his SM I believe.
3. Regardless of speed and reflexes, it's not like Sasuke can even see him in the dust... It's a senjutsu powered jutsu, thus effectively making Sasuke blind. Depending on the susanoo I wouldn't say it's moot. V1 and V2 get blown away by the odama rasenga. V3 takes the hit but the effects will still be felt. Otherwise it's moot, I agree.
4. Why would I need scans of Jiraiya sensing in sage mode? Sensing is a natural ability of Sage mode. It's like me requesting you show me scans of all other ninja with 2 MS's using susanoo. Otherwise the ones that haven't showed it, can't use it.
1. I'm not saying it will always clash, but it surely is an effective counter. Especially when he can sense it forming up.
2. Wait, ameterasu dwarfs what Jiraiya could do, or Jiraiya's katon dwarfs any ameterasu Sasuke could do...
1. This was meant to counter Sasuke's susanoo with legs.
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3.You're right, I only assumed he was at 20%, in reality he was just not able to control his chakra very well at all.
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4. I'm not saying he sinks it lol; he slows it down and that gives him time for other jutsu. While the susanoo can still attack, Jiraiya can move out of its range while it's still struggling in the mud.
They could stop using natural energy - that could be the case. As for Jiraiya, he was still in SM.
Not all, Jiraiya has no such feat.
Obviously. If Sharingan user never displayed any Genjutsu technique I dont see how we could consider non-existent Genjutsu technique in vs. thread.
Pa and Ma can stop using natural energy yet Jiriya was still in SM. How? Can they even turn off such a thing?! Lol
That's ridiculous, all sharingan users use genjutsu. That's a given and i see a little difference here
Unorthodox
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Why not? Jiraiya needed Ma and Pa in order to enter SM, later he was fused with them so he never run out of sage chakra, but it was never said that he cant mantain that state for some time without their help.
Frogs, although they can use natural energy very freely, does not always using it. ->
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You dont uderstand. I know that they can use Genjutsu, thats common knowledge, but how could I consider said ability in vs. thread if I never seen it in action? I have seen Itachi using Tsukiyomi, I have seen him putting people who werent even looking into his eyes into Genjutsu, so I can use that in discussions here, but on the contrary I have never seen Jiraiya sensing anything while beeing in SM, well, aside from his barrier technique, but thats completely different thing.
You could say that CS Sasuke was imperfect Sage as well, but did you see him sensing anything?
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That moment Orochimaru took his chakra Kabuto transformed back. He was a perfect SM, so why would this be any different for an imperfect user?!
So they cancelled that fast?
Susnoo e fused is natural energy, It's not lile Sasuke himself acquired this ability. Also, we dont know if he had that ability or if he knew he did
adeshina365
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Nice to see that Inanimated is still fighting the good fight.
OT: Sasuke takes this comfortably.
OT: Sasuke takes this comfortably.
Becuase frogs didnt take away their chakras from Jiraiya? Orochimaru took away all chakra from Kabuto, aside from Kabutos own chakra, so its no wonder he couldnt mantain SM form.
Why not? Like I said, frogs can use natural energy very freely.
I wasnt talking about Sasuke from recent chapters, I was talking about CS Sasuke who was using CS for three years and was very skilled with that power.
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Reattach himself from what? He isn't getting dismembered from an Enton arrow piercing him or an Enton Blade stabbing him so I don't know why you keep on saying he'll reattach himself. If anything the viable counter would be Oral Rebirth, but since his insides would also be on fire, it won't even work.
Its still a massive amount, the only difference is that he can use it more times due to having more chakra. So my point still stands.
Yup, I beg to differ.
Oral Rebirth being classified as a type of substitution jutsu doesn't nullify my point. Especially since:
-Nothing you said was backed up by manga fact.
-Substitution Jutsu only works if you switch out before the attack hits you, not after. Oral Rebirth is for healing after you've gotten hit by the attack.
He essentially sheds his skin like a snake does revealing a whole new body. That's how Oral Rebirth works.
Never said that he has shown his full arsenal, cause I very well know that he hasn't, however, he hasn't shown any of these moves to us nor do we even know what they are, so what is the point of mentioning them here?
He has
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, which is absolutely worthless in the face of Sasuke due to how weak it is. Its the worst in the series right after Yamato's. So it doesn't provide him with a good offense or defense at all.Dude, I bolded the Jiraiya solos and the Orochimaru solos parts. It should have been clear that I was referring to that.
Not to mention your reply here clearly implies that you knew what I was referring to.
They were never ready, they were ready to start before Deva killed Fukasaku.
Ok then, don't know why you would even contest him starting with them out as it helps him, not hurts him, but whatever.
No, its not a natural ability of Sage Mode as Turson clearly showed. Jiraiya hasn't shown the ability to sense chakra, only the perfect Sages have shown that ability.
The Bunta combo Katon dwarfs any kind of Amaterasu Sasuke could do at once.
Oh, alright.
Then Sasuke would just have to deactivate Susanoo, get out of the mud, and then go after Jiraiya.
They were fused,combined their chakra. Once they it their chakraisn't going to linger on. This was Orochiamru sen. cchakra. He still had Juugo DNA lol
CS never granted anyone sensing ability. What are you talking about now?
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OT: The Sannin take it mid-diff.
Tsunade has enough raw strength to break susano'o, and with Swamp of the Underworld holding him in place, she can freaking batter the crap out of him.
Not to mention Orochimaru and Jiraiya will provide grear support for Tsunade so she can just keep wailing on him.
Unorthodox
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Sasuke uses ps and rapes them also he can dodge swamp susanoo has feet the people are this thread is beyond me
also it took the help of A to break a ribcage susanoo v4 with legs or ps unstabilized wouldnt break anyways
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SotU will not be avoided by Sasuke.
Tsunade managed to break Madara's Susano'o on her own, albeit it was only V1. But that was only one punch as well.
With multiple punches and the Sannin's assistance, she can break through his Susano'o.
I have changed this to High-Diff though.
