Do You Think Techniques Like Perfect Susano'o Are Only EMS or Rinnegan Able?

[DeMaggio]

Basically this has been a question roaming around and just wanted to hear people's 2 cents. Since Susano'o can only be activated with the MS it stands as a Sharingan technique and PS should be achievable with the EMS. This one person said "PS has nothing to do with the Rinnegan. It is a EMS tech." I replied "Because you have proof right? The only person to ever be drawn by Kishi or his helpers was Madara and he used it with his Rinnegan. What ever you'd call the form Sasuke has just recently used with legs and feet can't be PS. Because it's just not perfect... same thing goes with the meteor tech. Madara used when he first started to fight the ninja alliance. People say it's an EMS tech. or something else but he used it with his Rinnegan. Does Rinnegan have a genjutsu? I don't know because Madara switched to his EMS to put the Raikage under a genjustu. Why didn't he just do it with the Rinnegan?" That's my thought and no one ever brings that up (with the Raikage and EMS Madara genjutsu). "You can say it goes both ways because nothing in this manga supports you needing the Rinnegan for PS either." Said someone else. "EMS is a lot more plausible considering Susano'o is a Mangekyou technique." True, but you don't have 100% evidence or proof that it is just an EMS tech. You can't do certain things you can do with the Rinnegan. The Susano'o Sasuke made with the legs is probably as far as you can go with EMS. same thing goes for Madara's meteor attack. People say it's a Susano'o ability and Susano'o is an MS/EMS ability so the Rinnegan isn't needed or it's just a Edo Tensei attack. You can really go deep into this too much but it's really interesting if you care enough. Don't bother not reading this and commenting it's "toooo long, didn't read lol" if you have the urge to do that. Just wanted to know your guy's opinion of the topic.

 

[Raekwon26]

I honestly don't know.

That PS Tengu warrior Madara pulled out, I don't know if he used that against Hashi in their first fight.

Hopefully someone posts a scan.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Ems madara used PS against harhirama when he didnt have a rinnegan. PS is a EMS technique, but Rinnegan is able to cast PS aswell. Madara did not get rinnegan until he was about to die. He had not even used his rinnegan in battle until now. When madara made the statement "All those who see perfect susanoo will die" [paraphrasing] this means he has killed many people in battle with the technique. the battles in question he did not have rinnegan

 

[DeMaggio]

Ems madara used PS against harhirama when he didnt have a rinnegan. PS is a EMS technique, but Rinnegan is able to cast PS aswell. Madara did not get rinnegan until he was about to die. He had not even used his rinnegan in battle until now. When madara made the statement "All those who see perfect susanoo will die" [paraphrasing] this means he has killed many people in battle with the technique. the battles in question he did not have rinnegan

That wasn't PS against Hashi it was just a Susano'o. But by your logic how come he didn't kill Hashi. He wouldn't need Senju DNA if he had PS with EMS. Also why couldn't Madara use a EMS genjutsu with Rinnegan?

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

That wasn't PS against Hashi it was just a Susano'o. But by your logic how come he didn't kill Hashi. He wouldn't need Senju DNA if he had PS with EMS. Also why couldn't Madara use a EMS genjutsu with Rinnegan?

Look PS is an EMS Tech. and that was PS against Hashirama. he just used it to armor kyuubi

Susanoo has levels

level 1 .Skeletal-Rib gage, bones visible 1-2 arms

Level 2. More human like features and skeletal portions covered. 2-3 arms, possible legs

Level 3. Complete susanoo, this one is equipped with armor 2-4 arms,

and level 4 Perfect susanoo, full Armor and shape and size is fully manipulated 4 arms and legs

now look at what madara says

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now look at how old he was when he got rinnegan

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he was far too old for battle. meaning eveytime he used PS was before he obtained rinnegan.

He didnt kill hashirama becaus hashirama was too beasty. he needed senju DNA for rinnegan not PS, and im more than sure he can use any genjutsu he wants to with rinnegan. rinnegan allows the user to use all five natures, why would it limit genjutsu usage? just because he has not used genjutsu does not mean he cannot.


PS is an EMS technique

Not a rinnegan technique. Rinnegan allows the user the ability to cast all jutsu, but only uchina can cast susanoo and only madara has PS.

With that said only madara can cast Susanoo with rinnegan. it is an EMS technique but can be casted with rinnegan because madara is uchiha

 

[Meee]

As for the reference to my statement I said it was plausible not that it was 100% of course I had no evidence there is no definite answer, EMS just seems like the most logical and id stick with it unless Kishi states otherwise

 

[Naijakid]

Susanoo is only a sharingan tech

 

[Lightbringer]

No, I actually made a thread about this long ago.

Perfect Susanoo is an MS tech, any Susanoo user can obtain it......the only reason they need the EMS is because so they don't go blind from the tech.

Stabilizing the susanoo like Madara did is just something one learns on his own, because stabilizing is just controlling your chakra so that it does 110%.

both Sasuke and Itachi already had the complete susanoo form with their MS. The complete susanoo is the one Itachi used with Yata and Totsuka.....but he couldn't stabilize it like Madara and Sasuke

 

[Dantee]

Madara used PS against Hashirama. It's an EMS tech...Hashirama would have least acknowledged the fact MAdaras Susanoo got 100x bigger if he didn't have it before.

 

[DeMaggio]

As for the reference to my statement I said it was plausible not that it was 100% of course I had no evidence there is no definite answer, EMS just seems like the most logical and id stick with it unless Kishi states otherwise

I obviously know that, that's why I made this thread. Which is exactly why I'm asking this question. It's still possible for PS to be Rinnegan only.