(Proof) Hiruzen > Shinsuusenju with Physics (Must Read)
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KingHashirama
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"Used the summon to protect Naruto".... BECAUSE IT WAS A 2 vs 1..... If it was a 1 vs 1, there would be no protecting Naruto..... gosh..
No Hiruzen used enma to fight against all 3 of them... not just for Mokuton. Now please point to the statement where I said he isn't a real shinobi. Because so far I have been referring to the fights. Stop being idiot and actually comprehend what I say for what it is.. not make your own assumptions.
The fact is Hiruzen was restrained before he could even summon Enma.. And this was a restrain by a non-full powered Hashirama who was being controlled.
If it is a fight to see which one has better skills.. its no summons allowed aka the Obito vs Kakashi fight.
Now are you done battering over a topic that you have been proven wrong about? If you believe Enma can stop 1000 punches that are the size of mountains good for you. Hell you are the one the saying restraining doesn't work on Hiruzen.. when the manga shows a scan of being restrained and the only hope was a summoning jutsu. Now what if enma gets restrained also?
He was restrained.. so no my theory was not wrong. I stated he is restrained and Hashirama punches him with Wood hands of the buddha. He can't stop the hands.. And he can be restrained, I never said he couldn't escape.
Althogh I agree that Prime Hiruzen is above all else and yes you've put up an impressive tread but this isn't happening for obvious reasons.
1. The statues mass so so great and it has the hands supporting it while standing, so imagine the power required to tip it or destroy the base.
2. The statue isn't going to be a stationary object, its going to be a moving one and not just in a straight line U_U
Enma is physically strong but that as strong as this
Enma isn't moving the statue U_U
1. The statues mass so so great and it has the hands supporting it while standing, so imagine the power required to tip it or destroy the base.
2. The statue isn't going to be a stationary object, its going to be a moving one and not just in a straight line U_U
Enma is physically strong but that as strong as this
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Enma isn't moving the statue U_U
Rainbow Dash
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You missed my disclaimer. I didn't say Hiruzen can defeat it in combat. I'm just trying to prove he has what it takes if the statue were just standing there doing nothing.
The thousand hands are in a spherical shape. Look at the way that the hands are positioned.
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The only part of the thousand hands that would give support is the small bottom part. That bottom part isn't going to help him stabilize when there are millions of kilograms leaning on one side. Like I said, the weight of the thousand hands leaning towards one direction only helps Hiruzen take it down.
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Give or take, the Kyuubi is even bigger than the footing of Shinsuusenju. Enma shouldn't have a problem moving the feet.
Oh my goodness kinghashi, you are simply hilarious! /sarcasm xD
You once again avoid my point (as per the usual kinghashi ignorance
). Jiraiya used his summon where he saw it fit, hiruzen did the same. Your point is moot, 2v1, 1v1, 10v1, it makes zero difference, you making it a difference is laughable. LolHahaha another home run from kinghashi, hilarious once again! /sarcasm (once again =D)
Hiruzen clearly stated that it wont do regarding hashi's mokuton, the manga clearly proves me right yet you deny it? Okay whatever you say, but manga > you, dont forget.
& you want your quote about being a real shinobi?
Why does relying on a summon not make you a "real" shinobi? Uchiha rely on their eyes, minato relies on FTG, Naruto relies on kurama, A relies on his raiton armor, Hashi relies on his mokuton...
It doesnt freaking matter what a ninja uses in order to end the fight as long as they end it, relying on summons? oh my goodness that must be the end of the world, give me a break. No in fact just stop posting because as I said earlier your logic is horrendous & it seems that there's nothing I can do for you. u__u
Yet enma still broke him free. The power doesnt matter, stop being delusional, 650 just showed us that any form of mokuton is
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compared to enma, simple mokuton restraints are breaking him free, no matter how you put it.Why on earth is enma not hiruzen's skill? Lol you sound like a serious fanboy right now xD
Anything that the ninja can use & how they use it depends on their skill, hiruzen is skillful with enma, you're going to take that away from him? For what? To further your nauseating argument? Lml.
Where did you prove me wrong? lmfao! You said that hiruzen cant be restrained, I told you that enma easily breaks him free so restraining is pointless. You have nothing else to say, sorry pal but this whole argument is just proof of how stubborn you are, you cant accept the fact that your god cant restrain hiruzen as easily as your diluted mind likes to think.
Where did I mention shinsuusenju? Where the fuck did I ever say that enma is stopping it? Get the hell out of your own world, I merely proved your foolish claim wrong by telling you that enma nullifies simple mokuton restraints, now if you wanna continue "battering" then I'm all & well for it, but just know that the manga obliterates anything that you have to say against me.
Btw enma getting restrained is completely different from hiruzen, but either way enma can change form, remember? Enma gets restrained & he turns into a weapon & rotates quickly, shattering all nearby mokuton, or he becomes extremely small, too small for mokuton to gain a proper grip.
Enma is beast, dont underrate him
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Hypemaster
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are you stupid, if this were real world physics, that statue wouldnt even be able to hold itself up. Wood cannot hold itself up after a certain amount of weight. If a scryscraper were made out of wood it would fall or bend. Your entire argument is flawed considering you know nothing about wood to begin with. This is why we use steel and stone for buildings and not wood. smhm people trying to think theyre smart when in reality they have bs math and are trying to ignore the "real" physics
TheEvilOne
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Hiruzen had trouble with part1 Hashirama's mokuton but now he can solo the SS? Ahem. I see what you did there.
Acceleration is 9.81. What you just gave there was velocity. In other words, everything after this point is wrong. Also, that assumes a linear, vertical fall without a varying acceleration. In this case, the statue's acceleration begins at 0 and increases to 9.81 as it tips. Your simple equation won't work either. The statue would fall at an arc, therefore you now need to use mechanics ( Motion of projectile) and possible simple equations of motion to find final velocity of the object when it hits the ground.
In both those cases, you won't be able to use F = MA to find the Force. You'd have to use something else, or skip directly to finding the work done using E = mgh or E = 1/2mv^2 or ... etc.
I'm not in the mood to rack my brains with the math, but either way, this is wrong.
Tl;Dr; Bad math.
EDIT: Also, It's unlikly hiruzen can even produce enough force to tip that behemoth. Based on your calculations for the weight, that thing is ridiculously heavy. Easily far heavier than Kyuubi. Because I can push a man a few meters, doesn't mean I can push a train.
Oh, and, Put this stuff in scientific notation FFS... Keep your digits for your calculations, or at least put the scientific notation in brackets. Going through all those digits to see the weight is exceeding billions and trillions is ridiculously annoying and could have been far easier to spot with xx.x * 10^12 -_-
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Rainbow Dash
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Do you even know what acceleration is? The A in F = MA is not a constant variable.. because the term acceleration isn't a constant. The definition of acceleration is that it gets even faster for every meter you drop. You can't use projectile motion to figure out the yield for this because this is a free fall. A free fall isn't the same thing as a projectile.
KingHashirama
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Coming from the guy who believes being restrained = can't be restrained.. That logic goes hard.
Good effort.
However, I would like to point out that you've made an error with those calculations.
You say that the statue would fall the entire height of itself when tripping. This is clearly not the case in a real life scenario. Only part of the body falls the entire height, while other parts like the feet won't fall anything at all.
You also point to a site which calculates the falling speed using earth gravity acceleration to the full 100% the entire falling duration. This is not the case in real life since gravity is a force pointed downwards while the statue is partly falling sideways. Only a increasing percentage of gravity would act until the point where you actually reached the ground where the percentage would finally reach 100%. It works just like sinus in a unit circle, starting with 0 at 0 degrees, and ending at 1 at 90 degrees. I might have explained that badly, but It's easy to understand from experience; If you for example try to fall, you will still have a force from your feet pushing upwards. This force will slowly diminishing as you lean more and more until you finally lay flat on the ground. Now your feet wont push you upwards no more.
TL;DR: The force you calculated there is far above the one in a real tripping scenario.
I would also like to point out that even though the force you calculated is far above the real one, I have no doubt that the force put on the statue is great. And in real life, the wood in that thing would probably break.
That is why we have no trees of that size in real life, it would get crushed by its own weight.
And THAT is why you can not use real life physics in a manga! =)
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However, I would like to point out that you've made an error with those calculations.
You say that the statue would fall the entire height of itself when tripping. This is clearly not the case in a real life scenario. Only part of the body falls the entire height, while other parts like the feet won't fall anything at all.
You also point to a site which calculates the falling speed using earth gravity acceleration to the full 100% the entire falling duration. This is not the case in real life since gravity is a force pointed downwards while the statue is partly falling sideways. Only a increasing percentage of gravity would act until the point where you actually reached the ground where the percentage would finally reach 100%. It works just like sinus in a unit circle, starting with 0 at 0 degrees, and ending at 1 at 90 degrees. I might have explained that badly, but It's easy to understand from experience; If you for example try to fall, you will still have a force from your feet pushing upwards. This force will slowly diminishing as you lean more and more until you finally lay flat on the ground. Now your feet wont push you upwards no more.
TL;DR: The force you calculated there is far above the one in a real tripping scenario.
I would also like to point out that even though the force you calculated is far above the real one, I have no doubt that the force put on the statue is great. And in real life, the wood in that thing would probably break.
That is why we have no trees of that size in real life, it would get crushed by its own weight.
And THAT is why you can not use real life physics in a manga! =)
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Im sorry man, but A is actually a constant... On earth that constant is ~9.81m/s^2
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Hypemaster
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Hey genius, try matching posts to the correct user. I never posted such things, there's logic for ya.