Establishing why Gaara beats Itachi

[blazekev90]

@BlazeKev90: Cannot be a reasonable argument if there is nothing pointing towards that and also that we've seen Gaara peer into various Sharingan without being cautious Genjutsu, Madara [as Nous highlighted] and Sasuke are examples. As regards Tsukuyomi it all depends on the initial distance of combatants if they are close range, Gaara is finished. Sand Tsunami is subjective to an advantageous terrain and I've already addressed the issue in my initial post in this thread. Itachi doesn't 'need to look' as his Genjutsu is faster established than any of Gaara's jutsu; A Kakashi without the sharingan was able to peer through his bunshin means Itachi would do similarly with the sharingan. Amataersu is agreeable. Gaara having control of the environment is once more subjective to an advantageous terrain. I would agree that Gaara does possess an arsenal and fighting style to rival that of Itachi but in reality the fight isn't progressing beyond Genjutsu.

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1) It is reasonable if one has knowledge of how genjutsu works and means to counter it. In both instances, Garra had the number advantage in both situations, which can allow him to be more comfortable in his approach. Chiyo a snad shinobi had this point of view

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Garra has knowldge of genjutsu, but also was aware that he had companies nearby if caught in genjutsu. Garra 1 vs 1 has never been as careless, we've seen this in his fight against Deidara. Therefore, this too is subjective.

2) Itachi's genjutsu is fast, but it is usually followed by an offensive attack. This is usually used to leave an opening for his opponent. However, I want to remind you that part 1 Garra had Kakashi's level sneakiness (I'm sure you know what this can apply to)

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So, if you really think Garra would simply stand there (himself) and allow Itachi close the gap that's ridiculous. As I have shown Garra uses clones more frequently than most shinobi, we see this too in his fight against the 2nd Mizukage.


3) Garra doesn't need terrain advantage to have to a large portion of sand, nor to utilize sand from the ground.

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I really think you fail to consider that Garra has the ability to attack and defend simultaneously. Do I really need to go into great detail of how he does this and why Itachi would fail 90% of the time to counter and considering his stamina? This isn't me underestimating Itachi's stamina, but considering all of what he would need to resort in fighting Garra


sidenote: Have people forgot that Garra can use body flicker (Shushin)?! Not saying his speed is superior, but in utilizing sand Garra has the ability to move along with it.

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lol is this guy not BA tho??


@Nàmeless I'll address your post later.

 

[Disquiet]

@Nàmeless I'll address your post later.

Alright, but I edited my post. xD It's at the ending. You reminded me to include what I had thought up about the sand clones. I'll be greatly impressed if you manage to progress it beyond the initial stage; simple, but hard to overcome.

 

[blazekev90]

Alright, but I edited my post. xD It's at the ending. You reminded me to include what I had thought up about the sand clones. I'll be greatly impressed if you manage to progress it beyond the initial stage; simple, but hard to overcome.

lol ok, Ill try to reply by tonight or early tomorrow. I'm on here between study breaks, so I try not to waste much time. Btw what was your initial user name? I see we joined that same time.

 

[Disquiet]

lol ok, Ill try to reply by tonight or early tomorrow. I'm on here between study breaks, so I try not to waste much time. Btw what was your initial user name? I see we joined that same time.

lol I added a bit more. Ah okay, well enjoy your time. I wasn't active until around September (2011), but my original username was Yama, then Yami/-Yami-. I've had some other ones but I doubt you'd recognize those; especially if you don't recognize my original usernames.

 

[adeshina365]

Keep fighting the good fight OP.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

So waltz and some other guys are trying to use big grammar and organized writing formats to win the argument, just like a lawyer. Well its Gaara for me, blazekev is really doing a good job, cross roads is also trying.

Blazekev has also exposed some gaara abilities that have been forgotten, like the shunshin thing, very useful for moving around and avoiding attacks as well.

 

[Optimistic]

Its sad how fodder members started wanking Nous and Waltz when Cross was still writing his goddamn counter.U_U

Ot: I don't know who wins since they're both top tier ninja who can always pull something which can change the tides of the whole fight.Who ever wins is winning high diff.

 

[adeshina365]

So waltz and some other guys are trying to use big grammar and organized writing formats to win the argument, just like a lawyer. Well its Gaara for me, blazekev is really doing a good job, cross roads is also trying.

Blazekev has also exposed some gaara abilities that have been forgotten, like the shunshin thing, very useful for moving around and avoiding attacks as well.

Not surprised to see this kind of nonsense post written by one of the biggest Gaara fanboys on the base.

This guy even thinks that Gaara can beat current Sasuke.

 

[Crossroads]

Its sad how fodder members started wanking Nous and Waltz when Cross was still writing his goddamn counter.U_U

Ot: I don't know who wins since they're both top tier ninja who can always pull something which can change the tides of the whole fight.Who ever wins is winning high diff.

I know right..? More than half the people who were like "GG Cross" didn't even read Nous' and Waltz' counter.

And I can tip my hat to that opinion.

 

[Flawž]

Don't make me get part 1 naruto to solo gaara again. Keep in mind that This is Jinchuuriki less gaara. xd

 

[Crossroads]

Don't make me get part 1 naruto to solo gaara again. Keep in mind that This is Jinchuuriki less gaara. xd

Like Gaara needs Shukaku.

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[Flawž]

Like Gaara needs Shukaku.

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Sorry but a

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is better than sand manipulation anyday bruh.

 

[Crossroads]

Sorry but a

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is better than sand manipulation anyday bruh.

I actually prefer Gaara without it, he's hella powerful all on his own.

 

[Flawž]

I actually prefer Gaara without it, he's hella powerful all on his own.

add war arc Gaara plus Shukaku together.


Gaara would be solo'in right and left.

 

[Crossroads]

add war arc Gaara plus Shukaku together.


Gaara would be solo'in right and left.

If Gaara gets Shukaku back after the war, I wouldn't be mad.. BM Sand cloak..?

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Not surprised to see this kind of nonsense post written by one of the biggest Gaara fanboys on the base.

This guy even thinks that Gaara can beat current Sasuke.

Yeah, I doubt there is any Gaara fanboy bigger than myself, so what are going to do about it?:devil:=D

 

[Flawž]

If Gaara gets Shukaku back after the war, I wouldn't be mad.. BM Sand cloak..?

That's what im saying bro.

 

[Bronze]

i actually thought Gaara wins based on what fodder debater(Crossroads) has said, but after reading Waltz explanation, i changed my mind.

Itachi takes this.

 

[Crossroads]

i actually thought Gaara wins based on what fodder debater(Crossroads) has said, but after reading Waltz explanation, i changed my mind.

Itachi takes this.

Only the feeble minded let their opinion be swayed so easily, just saying.

And fodder? Please.

 

[Bronze]

Only the feeble minded let their opinion be swayed so easily, just saying.

And fodder? Please.

Waltz is one of the most greatest debaters i seen. He actually provided accurate evidence defeating each of your fodder points.