Izanami is not PnJ

[sagemode07]

This has really been bothering me for awhile.

People seem to think that the jutsu "Izanami" was a PnJ. That is stupid.

First off, there is no such thing as PnJ. You think Kishimoto makes stuff up as he goes? No he plans fairly far in advance.

Also, it is clearly explained as being the counter to Izanagi, a jutsu used a lot of chapters before, so their was planning definitely.

Haters are haters because they can't get over the fact that a character got beat.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

That... is Plot no Jutsu what you are talking about.

 

[sagemode07]

That... is Plot no Jutsu what you are talking about.

Did you not read?

 

[Lucidus]

everything is plot no jutsu... since in the end everything comes down to the plot kishi has made...

it was an ass pull more than anything..

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

It's plot no jutsu. There was no way to defeat kabuto without creating the technique. Besides, it's whole concept is weird and there should never have been 2 forbidden jutsus-especially one which lead you on the right path IMO. Please don't insult me for my opinions

 

[HiddenSound]

Well yeah, I agree Izanami isn't exactly "plot", but to say PnJ doesn't exist is stupid.

 

[Punk Hazard]

EVERYTHING is PNJ because everything is plot
It was more of an asspull, but seeing as Itachi went to Kabuto with plans to use the jutsu specifically instead of them just happening to run into each other, it's ok.

 

[Bogard]

The jutsu Izanami itself isn't really plot since if izanagi exist, why not izanami. The real plot is more here:

1- Izanagi necessites Senju DNA, but for some reason his counter part(Izanami) doesn't?
2- Kabuto someone who spent his life researching around Uchihas under Orochimaru's tutelage didn't know the technique?
3- The fact Kabuto was the 1person over a million Izanami could work against

Anyway don't say there is no plot since everything in this manga is dictated by plot

 

[HiddenSound]

EVERYTHING is PNJ because everything is plot
It was more of an asspull, but seeing as Itachi went to Kabuto with plans to use the jutsu specifically instead of them just happening to run into each other, it's ok.

Actually he didn't U_U His first idea was to use Tsukuyomi on him, Izanami was a backup plan.

 

[Grammar Nazi]

The jutsu Izanami itself isn't really plot since if izanagi exist, why not izanami. The real plot is more here:

1- Izanagi necessites Senju DNA, but for some reason his counter part(Izanami) doesn't?
2- Kabuto someone who spent his life researching around Uchihas under Orochimaru's tutelage didn't know the technique?
3- The fact Kabuto was the 1person over a million Izanami could work against

Anyway don't say there is no plot since everything in this manga is dictated by plot

^^this /thread

 

[cptenn94]

That... is Plot no Jutsu what you are talking about.

Really? Then why is it in japanese mythology, that tsuykoyomi, amatersu, and sussanoo are all related. As kishi has shown many times, he likes to incorporate different aspects of japanese mythology.

So when he showed izanagi, many people who knew japanese mythology, knew that later there would be izanami.(as they are a pair)

Nothing asspullish, or pnj about it. The only thing you could argue that is pnj, is MAYBE the effect of izanami. Not the technique itself.

 

[Gerkak]

The jutsu Izanami itself isn't really plot since if izanagi exist, why not izanami. The real plot is more here:

1- Izanagi necessites Senju DNA, but for some reason his counter part(Izanami) doesn't?
2- Kabuto someone who spent his life researching around Uchihas under Orochimaru's tutelage didn't know the technique?
3- The fact Kabuto was the 1person over a million Izanami could work against

Anyway don't say there is no plot since everything in this manga is dictated by plot

What he said.

 

[Vegeto30294]

Really? Then why is it in japanese mythology, that tsuykoyomi, amatersu, and sussanoo are all related. As kishi has shown many times, he likes to incorporate different aspects of japanese mythology.

So when he showed izanagi, many people who knew japanese mythology, knew that later there would be izanami.(as they are a pair)

Nothing asspullish, or pnj about it. The only thing you could argue that is pnj, is MAYBE the effect of izanami. Not the technique itself.

That's pretty much what people are calling an asspull. The fact that there is Izanami isn't that bad. People have been predicting Susano'o and Izanagi ever since Amaterasu & Tsukiyomi were first shown.

What makes it an asspull is the pre-requirements to use it compared to Izanagi (pure Uchiha in contrast to Uchiha/Senju), and Kabuto being literally the only person (so far) that's capable of falling for it simply due to his personality & background.

 

[Crossroads]

The jutsu Izanami itself isn't really plot since if izanagi exist, why not izanami. The real plot is more here:

1- Izanagi necessites Senju DNA, but for some reason his counter part(Izanami) doesn't?
2- Kabuto someone who spent his life researching around Uchihas under Orochimaru's tutelage didn't know the technique?
3- The fact Kabuto was the 1person over a million Izanami could work against

Anyway don't say there is no plot since everything in this manga is dictated by plot

Well said, Bogard, well said.

Izanami was a complete asspull.

 

[medal32]

People still argue about this?

 

[VongolaX]

Last time I checked Kishi never mention or created a Justu called PnJ.

So the kids that are quailing because some chapter didn't go the way they planned should just shut it and cry in another base.

Lastly Kishi proved that even uchiha kinjustu can own a lot of powerful characters.

 

[Aya San]

Biggest asspull in the series, umad?