[VS] Hashirama vs Obito and Madara vs minato

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  • Hashirama wins but minato loses

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • Minato wins but hashirama loses

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • both minato and hashirama win

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • both obito and madara win

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • they all kill each other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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so guys what do you think if opponents of hashirama and minato (the good guys) were switched...! two speed demons vs two power houses...! more like speed vs power...! everyone is in condition they were during their last living fights...! madara has kyubi so no restrictions...! knowlege = manga...! intent = to kill obviously...!
tell diff level of win as well and what if it were battle royal between all four of them...? which one would have survived and won the battle...?
 
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So is this rinnegan obito or just MS obito?

Madara defeats minato

Hashi can defeat MS obito (alone), however obito with the gedo statue, or kurama, or the jinchuuriki, wins.
 

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Madara beats Minato mid diff at most

Hashirama beats MS Obito mid-high diff
so according to you power > speed...? well you do understand that it's not easy to touch obito or minato.. ? only those two have touched each other as of now...!

So is this rinnegan obito or just MS obito?

Madara defeats minato

Hashi can defeat MS obito (alone), however obito with the gedo statue, or kurama, or the jinchuuriki, wins.
this is obito who fought minato so obviously he has kyubi....! but not rinnegan...!
 

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this is obito who fought minato so obviously he has kyubi....! but not rinnegan...!

Alright well in that case obito wins mid-high diff, madara would be a high diff too due to lack of knowledge, but in this case its a matter of versatility because hashi & madara are pretty fast themselves.

Since minato needs to set up his tags first then he has the strong chance to get caught off guard, and if PS comes out then say bye bye to those kunai.

Hashi on the other hand cant even touch obito, hashi will be too busy trying to put down kurama but in the mean time obito can simply warp to the head of shinsuusenju & end the fight.
 

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Alright well in that case obito wins mid-high diff, madara would be a high diff too due to lack of knowledge, but in this case its a matter of versatility because hashi & madara are pretty fast themselves.

Since minato needs to set up his tags first then he has the strong chance to get caught off guard, and if PS comes out then say bye bye to those kunai.

Hashi on the other hand cant even touch obito, hashi will be too busy trying to put down kurama but in the mean time obito can simply warp to the head of shinsuusenju & end the fight.

i'm not so sure about both of your arguments. Minato has best reflexes in manga so even if madara doesn't allow him to use kunai's he can simply use ftg lvl 2. and susano can be teleported. also PS make change position of kunai's but minato can summon them back to himself to use them again.. in case of obito, i don't think kyubi will be much of a factor because hashirama can simply put it to sleep. in my opinion obito himself is hell of a challenge for hashirama, as hashirama is not a sensor so if obito appears behind him as he did against minato and tries to suck him then hashirama won't be using ftg to escape now would he...?
 

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i'm not so sure about both of your arguments. Minato has best reflexes in manga so even if madara doesn't allow him to use kunai's he can simply use ftg lvl 2.

Minato's reflexes dont help him from an attack that can level battlefields. FTG lvl 2 only works in a close proximity, susanoo will make sure that minato cant get close.

and susano can be teleported.

Only if minato touches it, the only way minato is getting close is with kunai which will be blown away & therefore ineffective.

also PS make change position of kunai's but minato can summon them back to himself to use them again..

Minato can summon his kuani? I need to see a scan.

in case of obito, i don't think kyubi will be much of a factor because hashirama can simply put it to sleep.

Yes & during that time obito will be warping behind hashirama, he cant protect the front & back at the same time.

in my opinion obito himself is hell of a challenge for hashirama, as hashirama is not a sensor so if obito appears behind him as he did against minato and tries to suck him then hashirama won't be using ftg to escape now would he...?

Yeah & this is why kurama is important.

See obito's strategy works best when he has a distraction, since obito moves so fast, even the smallest of diversions will be extremely beneficial to him. This is why I say kurama will help him win, kurama is a 2nd target & therefore will make it impossible for hashi to hit obito.
 

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Honestly, they are perfect with their counterpart.

Minato is the best suited ninja to fight Obito due to speed and Hashirama is the best against Madara due to superior firepower.

Nonetheless, Madara beats Minato pretty easily ( as far as it's base Minato, BM Minato would destroy him ) and Hashirama stomps MS Obito.
 

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Minato's reflexes dont help him from an attack that can level battlefields. FTG lvl 2 only works in a close proximity, susanoo will make sure that minato cant get close.



Only if minato touches it, the only way minato is getting close is with kunai which will be blown away & therefore ineffective.



Minato can summon his kuani? I need to see a scan.



Yes & during that time obito will be warping behind hashirama, he cant protect the front & back at the same time.



Yeah & this is why kurama is important.

See obito's strategy works best when he has a distraction, since obito moves so fast, even the smallest of diversions will be extremely beneficial to him. This is why I say kurama will help him win, kurama is a 2nd target & therefore will make it impossible for hashi to hit obito.

minato's clone summoned his original in V1 jubito saga. i'm not going to look for scan so we can infer he can summon anything connected to his chakra or markings....! and if you agree that minato can teleport susano then you should consider him winning as well..! i'm not saying that he wins easily or anything, i'm just saying that he has a good chance as well....! and since we agreed on obito's case so..... :yayy:
 

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Honestly, they are perfect with their counterpart.

Minato is the best suited ninja to fight Obito due to speed and Hashirama is the best against Madara due to superior firepower.

Nonetheless, Madara beats Minato pretty easily ( as far as it's base Minato, BM Minato would destroy him ) and Hashirama stomps MS Obito.

well it is base minato and i respect your opinion but aren't you underestimating speed...?
 

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Hashi on the other hand cant even touch obito, hashi will be too busy trying to put down kurama but in the mean time obito can simply warp to the head of shinsuusenju & end the fight.

Not sure if serious.

-Why would Hashirama need Shinsuusenju to deal with Kurama in the first place? His Base Mokuton techniques are far more than Kurama can handle, even if we go into Sage Mode, he still doesn't need the Buddha as he has Myoujinmon.

-Too busy putting Kurama down? It literally takes a pat on the head and its asleep, that isn't time at all, not to mention Hashirama can simply use Mokuton clones, 1 to handle Obito while the original takes out Kurama.

Myoujinmon pins Kurama and Hashirama takes a fat dump on Obito.


OT: If the fight against Minato goes just how did against Hashirama, then once PS is armored to Kurama Minato dies a horrific death. He can evade Kurama's melee and warp away its Bijuu Dama, but once PS comes out its over for him.
 
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Madara and Obito wins this.
 

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this is obito who fought minato so obviously he has kyubi....! but not rinnegan...!

Ohh, so no rinnegan.

Well I thought it was Juubito :p

Well in that case:

Hashirama takes down MS Obito with... mid diff?? Without the Kyuubi it would be low diff. But with it I don't really know. In any case Hashi wins.

And Madara takes down Minato with mid diff.
 

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Lol @ Hashi beating obito XD

Not sure if serious.

Serious as can be :cool:

-Why would Hashirama need Shinsuusenju to deal with Kurama in the first place? His Base Mokuton techniques are far more than Kurama can handle, even if we go into Sage Mode, he still doesn't need the Buddha as he has Myoujinmon.

Okay fair enough, he doesnt need shinsuusenju, however how is he going to react to an attack from obito without SM?

He cant, his base mokuton will be busy restraining kurama & in the meantime obito will simply warp behind hashi, rather simply.

-Too busy putting Kurama down? It literally takes a pat on the head and its asleep, that isn't time at all, not to mention Hashirama can simply use Mokuton clones, 1 to handle Obito while the original takes out Kurama.

1 tap on the head, yes. However obito has the sharingan, he will easily read hashi's handsigns & during that time he will already be using his kamui.

Dont forget, the sharingan can track & read movements, if obito uses kamui in conjunction with it then he can teleport near instantly. Hashi isnt reacting to obito with kurama shooting tbbs at him. Hashi will need to move close to kurama, restrain him, & then pat him on the head. You're telling me that obito & kurama will be too slow to react to hashi? kurama may be caught but the trade off is obito warping behind hashi & ending the fight.

Myoujinmon pins Kurama and Hashirama takes a fat dump on Obito.

Lol now I'm not sure if serious, before myoujinmon has the chance to touch kurama obito will be right behind hashi.
 

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Lol @ Hashi beating obito XD

lol @ Obito beating Hashirama XD



Serious as can be :cool:
Lol

Okay fair enough, he doesnt need shinsuusenju, however how is he going to react to an attack from obito without SM?

Oh I didn't say that he wouldn't use SM. Besides, all he needs to is get away from Obito and not let him touch him to prevent from getting warped away. If Kakashi, Guy, and Naruto managed to prevent themselves from getting touched by Obito, I'm pretty sure Hashirama and his clones can do the same.

He still needs to actually reform and grab Hashirama before he can warp him away after he teleports to him, it won't be that hard to jump away, or merge with the environment and slip away.

He cant, his base mokuton will be busy restraining kurama & in the meantime obito will simply warp behind hashi, rather simply.
Why would he take his eyes off Obito to deal with Kurama? Especially when he has Mokuton clones for multi tasking.


1 tap on the head, yes. However obito has the sharingan, he will easily read hashi's handsigns & during that time he will already be using his kamui.
Handisigns? For putting Kurama to sleep? If so, Hashirama never made hand signs to use it in the manga against Madara and Kurama.

Dont forget, the sharingan can track & read movements, if obito uses kamui in conjunction with it then he can teleport near instantly. Hashi isnt reacting to obito with kurama shooting tbbs at him. Hashi will need to move close to kurama, restrain him, & then pat him on the head. You're telling me that obito & kurama will be to slow to react to hashi? kurama may be caught but the trade off is obito warping behind him & ending the fight.

Obito can't teleport to his target near instantly, he can warp himself away near instantly, but actually reforming in front of the target isn't. Giving Hashirama enough time to get out of the way.

Yeah.....no. Clones prevent this, simply getting out of the way via his own movement speed or fusing with the environment prevents this.

Its not that they are too slow, its that Kurama can't stop him. If it fires a quick Bijuu Dama Mokujin catches it and tosses it away. If it tries to charge a larger one, then Mokuryu bites it like it did to the BM cloak and starts to absorb its chakra, making it useless.


Lol now I'm not sure if serious, before myoujinmon has the chance to touch kurama obito will be right behind hashi.

You are ridiculously overrating Obito's teleportation speed. He can teleport himself into the dimension near instantly as he showed us, but he isn't moving to the target with the same speed unless you have some kind of scan that shows, cause we clearly saw every time he's teleported to an enemy, it wasn't instant.

We have seen how fast Myoujinmon drops. Obito isn't teleporting to Hashirama and grabbing before:

a) Kurama is pinned.
b) Hashirama again, by jumping away or merging with the environment to get out of his reach.

Kurama isn't giving Obito the sufficient distraction to warp Hashirama when at the very least it'll take 1 hand sign to drop a gate on him especially when he does this with clones as back up, so he can fight them both at the same time.
 
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Oh I didn't say that he wouldn't use SM. Besides, all he needs to is get away from Obito and not let him touch him to prevent from getting warped away. If Kakashi, Guy, and Naruto managed to prevent themselves from getting touched by Obito, I'm pretty sure Hashirama and his clones can do the same.

Kakashi/gai/naruto are all speed freaks, & on the flip side they didnt even touch him either. The clones dont have SM, they will be too slow to even touch obito who can also just warp right past them if they try to get close. The clones are useless unless they stay together with hashi, protecting his blindspots, but how is hashi going to think of this strategy when obito wont warp until necessary?

In fact, with basic manga knowledge, hashi would most likely deal with kurama without the need for clones, thinking that obito has no way of getting near him. So clones are pretty much moot unless hashi has info on kamui.


He still needs to actually reform and grab Hashirama before he can warp him away after he teleports to him, it won't be that hard to jump away, or merge with the environment and slip away.

Untrue, obito warped behind minato who has the fastest reflexes in the manga, obito even caught him (& admitted that he could've warped him faster).

To back this up, the jinton in which sasuke was surely going to get annihilated by was easily bypassed by obito, who managed to warp in & out before the attack could even finish (it was already active at the time).

This feat alone more than cements obito's chances of warping behind hashi without so much as a problem, however info changes things dramatically.

Why would he take his eyes off Obito to deal with Kurama? Especially when he has Mokuton clones for multi tasking.

Did hashi use multiple mokuton clones to deal with madara? Obito will be on kurama's head, why would hashi need to make clones? hashi tries anything to kurama & obito simply warps away, what does hashi do at this point? he wont expect an attack from behind, especially if hashi causes some sort of debris/explosion to hide the kamui warp, he'll just think that obito fell off.

Handisigns? For putting Kurama to sleep? If so, Hashirama never made hand signs to use it in the manga against Madara and Kurama.

He needs to make handsigns in order to form his mokuton into constructs, obito can track this. What I'm saying is that obito can read what hashi is going to do before he does it in terms of casting jutsu, because of the sharingan.

Its arguable to say that he can even copy hashi's jutsus, but I wont even get into that so lets just leave it. Lol

Obito can't teleport to his target near instantly, he can warp himself away near instantly, but actually reforming in front of the target isn't. Giving Hashirama enough time to get out of the way.

Untrue, The jinton example is all I really need, being able to warp behind minato is also a plus.

Yeah.....no. Clones prevent this, simply getting out of the way via his own movement speed or fusing with the environment prevents this.

As I said, with this type of info, hashi will not see the need for clones, he'll expect obito to be a simple uchiha who can control kurama, he wont be expecting s/t, just like minato wasnt.

Its not that they are too slow, its that Kurama can't stop him. If it fires a quick Bijuu Dama Mokujin catches it and tosses it away. If it tries to charge a larger one, then Mokuryu bites it like it did to the BM cloak and starts to absorb its chakra, making it useless.

Okay, but during this scuffle what will obito be doing? He wont simply stand around waiting for hashi to attack, its all about openings. Hashi leaves himself open when he's dealing with kurama. He wont be using clones because why would he need to? Obito can sit on kurama's head & spam katon, then hashi will be focused on one target & once the distraction is in place then its over.

You are ridiculously overrating Obito's teleportation speed. He can teleport himself into the dimension near instantly as he showed us, but he isn't moving to the target with the same speed unless you have some kind of scan that shows, cause we clearly saw every time he's teleported to an enemy, it wasn't instant.

, Zetsu also claims that he can teleport at the , plus being able to teleport behind minato .

We have seen how fast Myoujinmon drops. Obito isn't teleporting to Hashirama and grabbing before:

a) Kurama is pinned.
b) Hashirama again, by jumping away or merging with the environment to get out of his reach.

Kurama isn't giving Obito the sufficient distraction to warp Hashirama when at the very least it'll take 1 hand sign to drop a gate on him especially when he does this with clones, so he can fight them both at the same time.

It is fast, but as I said hashi will not ever see the need for clones with no info on kamui, obito simply warps away at the end when the debris has fallen, hashi will think that obito shunshin'd away. Obito doesnt need to use kamui until the end, the fight will be quick but that's obito's specialty, he can move fast enough as shown in the two examples I provided.

Base hashi does not have the reaction feats, nor the info in order to escape a kamui warp. SM will help but only slightly as he still cant escape. & Izanagi is if obito makes a mistake.
 
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lol @ Obito beating Hashirama XD




Lol



Oh I didn't say that he wouldn't use SM. Besides, all he needs to is get away from Obito and not let him touch him to prevent from getting warped away. If Kakashi, Guy, and Naruto managed to prevent themselves from getting touched by Obito, I'm pretty sure Hashirama and his clones can do the same.

He still needs to actually reform and grab Hashirama before he can warp him away after he teleports to him, it won't be that hard to jump away, or merge with the environment and slip away.


Why would he take his eyes off Obito to deal with Kurama? Especially when he has Mokuton clones for multi tasking.



Handisigns? For putting Kurama to sleep? If so, Hashirama never made hand signs to use it in the manga against Madara and Kurama.



Obito can't teleport to his target near instantly, he can warp himself away near instantly, but actually reforming in front of the target isn't. Giving Hashirama enough time to get out of the way.

Yeah.....no. Clones prevent this, simply getting out of the way via his own movement speed or fusing with the environment prevents this.

Its not that they are too slow, its that Kurama can't stop him. If it fires a quick Bijuu Dama Mokujin catches it and tosses it away. If it tries to charge a larger one, then Mokuryu bites it like it did to the BM cloak and starts to absorb its chakra, making it useless.




You are ridiculously overrating Obito's teleportation speed. He can teleport himself into the dimension near instantly as he showed us, but he isn't moving to the target with the same speed unless you have some kind of scan that shows, cause we clearly saw every time he's teleported to an enemy, it wasn't instant.

We have seen how fast Myoujinmon drops. Obito isn't teleporting to Hashirama and grabbing before:

a) Kurama is pinned.
b) Hashirama again, by jumping away or merging with the environment to get out of his reach.

Kurama isn't giving Obito the sufficient distraction to warp Hashirama when at the very least it'll take 1 hand sign to drop a gate on him especially when he does this with clones as back up, so he can fight them both at the same time.

Kakashi/gai/naruto are all speed freaks, & on the flip side they didnt even touch him either. The clones dont have SM, they will be too slow to even touch obito who can also just warp right past them if they try to get close. The clones are useless unless they stay together with hashi, protecting his blindspots, but how is hashi going to think of this strategy when obito wont warp until necessary?

In fact, with basic manga knowledge, hashi would most likely deal with kurama without the need for clones, thinking that obito has no way of getting near him. So clones are pretty much moot unless hashi has info on kamui.




Untrue, obito warped behind minato who has the fastest reflexes in the manga, obito even caught him (& admitted that he could've warped him faster).

To back this up, the jinton in which sasuke was surely going to get annihilated by was easily bypassed by obito, who managed to warp in & out before the attack could even finish (it was already active at the time).

This feat alone more than cements obito's chances of warping behind hashi without so much as a problem, however info changes things dramatically.



Did hashi use multiple mokuton clones to deal with madara? Obito will be on kurama's head, why would hashi need to make clones? hashi tries anything to kurama & obito simply warps away, what does hashi do at this point? he wont expect an attack from behind, especially if hashi causes some sort of debris/explosion to hide the kamui warp, he'll just think that obito fell off.



He needs to make handsigns in order to form his mokuton into constructs, obito can track this. What I'm saying is that obito can read what hashi is going to do before he does it in terms of casting jutsu, because of the sharingan.

Its arguable to say that he can even copy hashi's jutsus, but I wont even get into that so lets just leave it. Lol



Untrue, The jinton example is all I really need, being able to warp behind minato is also a plus.



As I said, with this type of info, hashi will not see the need for clones, he'll expect obito to be a simple uchiha who can control kurama, he wont be expecting s/t, just like minato wasnt.



Okay, but during this scuffle what will obito be doing? He wont simply stand around waiting for hashi to attack, its all about openings. Hashi leaves himself open when he's dealing with kurama. He wont be using clones because why would he need to? Obito can sit on kurama's head & spam katon, then hashi will be focused on one target & once the distraction is in place then its over.



, Zetsu also claims that he can teleport at the , plus being able to teleport behind minato .



It is fast, but as I said hashi will not ever see the need for clones with no info on kamui, obito simply warps away at the end when the debris has fallen, hashi will think that obito shunshin'd away. Obito doesnt need to use kamui until the end, the fight will be quick but that's obito's specialty, he can move fast enough as shown in the two examples I provided.

Base hashi does not have the reaction feats, nor the info in order to escape a kamui warp. SM will help but only slightly as he still cant escape. & Izanagi is if obito makes a mistake.


also i'll add that what makes you think that obito can't use mokuton clones.??? madara can because of hashi's dna and obito has it too....! and kagebunshin is taught in academy anyway so imagine few clones kamuing from everywhere...! and obito is 2nd fastest character in NV. that's why kishi chose him to fight minato....! although in my opinion kyubi ain't much of a factor but obito himself just needs to touch hashirama and kidgamer claimed that hashi can escape after that...! well i disagree..! that's why it can not be debated....! minato needed hirashin and even then fell on ground... because obito sucked so quickly...! i don't remember hashirama having same reflexes as minato or even close....!
 

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Kakashi/gai/naruto are all speed freaks, & on the flip side they didnt even touch him either. The clones dont have SM, they will be too slow to even touch obito who can also just warp right past them if they try to get close. The clones are useless unless they stay together with hashi, protecting his blindspots, but how is hashi going to think of this strategy when obito wont warp until necessary?

In fact, with basic manga knowledge, hashi would most likely deal with kurama without the need for clones, thinking that obito has no way of getting near him. So clones are pretty much moot unless hashi has info on kamui.




Untrue, obito warped behind minato who has the fastest reflexes in the manga, obito even caught him (& admitted that he could've warped him faster).

To back this up, the jinton in which sasuke was surely going to get annihilated by was easily bypassed by obito, who managed to warp in & out before the attack could even finish (it was already active at the time).

This feat alone more than cements obito's chances of warping behind hashi without so much as a problem, however info changes things dramatically.



Did hashi use multiple mokuton clones to deal with madara? Obito will be on kurama's head, why would hashi need to make clones? hashi tries anything to kurama & obito simply warps away, what does hashi do at this point? he wont expect an attack from behind, especially if hashi causes some sort of debris/explosion to hide the kamui warp, he'll just think that obito fell off.



He needs to make handsigns in order to form his mokuton into constructs, obito can track this. What I'm saying is that obito can read what hashi is going to do before he does it in terms of casting jutsu, because of the sharingan.

Its arguable to say that he can even copy hashi's jutsus, but I wont even get into that so lets just leave it. Lol



Untrue, The jinton example is all I really need, being able to warp behind minato is also a plus.



As I said, with this type of info, hashi will not see the need for clones, he'll expect obito to be a simple uchiha who can control kurama, he wont be expecting s/t, just like minato wasnt.



Okay, but during this scuffle what will obito be doing? He wont simply stand around waiting for hashi to attack, its all about openings. Hashi leaves himself open when he's dealing with kurama. He wont be using clones because why would he need to? Obito can sit on kurama's head & spam katon, then hashi will be focused on one target & once the distraction is in place then its over.



, Zetsu also claims that he can teleport at the , plus being able to teleport behind minato .



It is fast, but as I said hashi will not ever see the need for clones with no info on kamui, obito simply warps away at the end when the debris has fallen, hashi will think that obito shunshin'd away. Obito doesnt need to use kamui until the end, the fight will be quick but that's obito's specialty, he can move fast enough as shown in the two examples I provided.

Base hashi does not have the reaction feats, nor the info in order to escape a kamui warp. SM will help but only slightly as he still cant escape. & Izanagi is if obito makes a mistake.

I'll give this to Obito w/o no info then.
 
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