How quickly would Hashirama have fodderize Ems Madara at VOTE without kyuubi?

[KidGamer65]

Fight could go two ways:

1. Hashirama uses Shinsenjuu right away and absolutely obliterates Perfect Susano'o with minimal damage

OR

2. Hashirama just outlasts Madara just using the Golem/Human and or slams the Gates on Madara when he loses PS (from chakra exhaustion)

First scenario is low-mid difficulty

Second Scenario because it takes longer is medium difficulty.

I see it going how it always goes with them, they climb up the ranks in their movesets until 1 trumps the other.

 

[Avinash012]

Haha, what a joke. It would be low-mid at most. Kyuubi was what made it high difficulty. No Kurama means Hashirama can just use Wood Golem all day and laugh at Madara.

The word "days " it self indicates that it is a high DIf match......

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Roughly the same amount of time. PS armored kurama is much smaller than PS. Considering that they were considered equal r even b4 he had kurama

 

[VongolaX]

Da ****, 3 minutes?

I guess you didn't read the last 4 chapters.

Well here's the recap, Madara is fighting Hashirama with the dragon/Golem against perfect Susanoo.

Why don't you change that 3 minutes statement, Madara has been fighting with only susanoo.

 

[Sabaku No Gaara100]

3 minutes? lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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The Kyuubi hasn't done anything that much other than a Bijuudama...Madara was protecting it all through the fight...

 

[KidGamer65]

3 minutes? lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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The Kyuubi hasn't done anything that much other than a Bijuudama...Madara was protecting it all through the fight...

A Bijuu dama? Try

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, the main reason why the Buddha fell.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Well, even without the Kyuubi, Madara and Hashirama considered each other equals on the battlefield. I think the battle would have been long-winded either way - it simply would not have included Mito becoming a Jinchuriki [and any of the sealing ninjutsu associated with it.]

Not really, Madara, Kabuto and Obito all stated that Hashirama was stronger. Also Hashirama wasn't serious when fighting Madara+Kurama, he kept trying to talk Madara out of his hatred and only got serious at the end when he did a fatal blow.

Idk but Madara started the fight so there's no way he wouldn't have it.

Look at them fighting now, it's been a while and Madara doesn't have Kurama with him

Well Madara got power up since VoTE, he got the Rinnegan and wood jutsus to replace Kurama so he's move even with Hashirama now.

The title says it all.......I say if Hashirama was serious, Madara will last up to 3mins

Hashirama wasn't serious with Madara+Kurama so Yeah if he had killing intent at the start instead of the last 2 mins then it would have been faster.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Madara would have been stomped much quicker without Kurama.

 

[Tobby17]

Well Madara would still have PS, and Hashi isn't beating PS without Shinsuusenju imo

 

[Joshutsu]

10 manga minutes

 

[Tobby17]

Fight could go two ways:

1. Hashirama uses Shinsenjuu right away and absolutely obliterates Perfect Susano'o with minimal damage

OR

2. Hashirama just outlasts Madara just using the Golem/Human and or slams the Gates on Madara when he loses PS (from chakra exhaustion)

First scenario is low-mid difficulty

Second Scenario because it takes longer is medium difficulty.

Madara's PS slash can slash through Mountains, it should be able to cut through a few gates, plus he'd be attacking Hashi too, throwing swords and stuff

 

[Lostdreams]

3 minutes? lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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The Kyuubi hasn't done anything that much other than a Bijuudama...Madara was protecting it all through the fight...

i assumed he was also using the kurama chakra for himself. It wasn't shown so it has not base for that statement.
The only thing Madara seems to lack is that he cant possibly outlast 1st hokage. Him with Kurama to me makes him on tier on body/chakra.

 

[Transcendence]

Madara's PS slash can slash through Mountains, it should be able to cut through a few gates, plus he'd be attacking Hashi too, throwing swords and stuff

And? Shinsenjuu is MANY TIMES larger than mere mountains. They pale in comparison to Shinsenjuu. Without Kurama, Madara doesn't have anywhere near the DC to take out Shinsenjuu at all.

 

[Multiply]

Pretty badly man, without kyuubi madara get beaten by current naruto lol he needs the kyuubi to beat naruto and even last 24 hours against hashirama.

This lmao.

Let's all be honest here. Madara would have gotten stomped had Hashi been serious(He didn't get, "I'm going to kill you" serious, until the very end. If Hashirama was like that from the jump, Madara would have been fodderized IMO.

 

[Bronze]

its going to take days. Madara doesn't need Kyuubi since he actually exhausted Hashirama for so long that they could barely stand up after Kyuubi was suppressed.

They are equal after all.

 

[Naijakid]

Well Madara would still have PS, and Hashi isn't beating PS without Shinsuusenju imo

Silence.........

 

[Naijakid]

its going to take days. Madara doesn't need Kyuubi since he actually exhausted Hashirama for so long that they could barely stand up after Kyuubi was suppressed.

They are equal after all.

Keep on dreaming kid

 

[RikudouMadara]

Hours.

Thus far it's been portrayed [even in current events] that Hashirama cannot best The Perfect Susano'o without The Shin-Shuusenju as his tactics against it at VOTE all faltered before it's destruction incarnate swords swipes and highly notable defences.Canon claims Hashirama and Prime EMS Madara were roughly on par which was later proven true as without the kyuubi's help he beat Hashirama out of Sennin Modo along with the remains of Shin-shuusenju and what other mokuton jutsu he brought to the table during that time. However, Hashirama was the stronger of the pair as it was highlighted in his whim victory. ​

Waltz strikes again....I was actually about to say something very similar to this. Imho you think very logical Waltz...you must be up in age? Nothing against any teens, but imho teens have a proclivity to talk from their fourth point of contact.