Hashirama vs kabuto with edo tensei(only itachi,nagato,muu,3rd raikage)

[stoikis]

knowedge:Manga
Location: Valley of the End.
Intent: To kill.
distance:50 m

So what's your opinion.Who wins?The god of shinobi or the other guys

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Well, there are no restrictions...I assume the summoned are already summoned?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Kabuto's army wins. Also Hashirama still has no counter against the Wood Style antidote that suppresses Wood Style and Hashirama also technically still has no counter to Phantom Sound Chains- even on top of his Buddha statue, the sound follows the opponent.

 

[BlackBison]

Isn't this a little too much for everyone except edo madara and current obito.

 

[Bronze]

Kabuto neg diff.

Hashirama does not have sealing jutsu to seal edo. He is easily overwhelmed by edo Nagato.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kabuto neg diff.

Hashirama does not have sealing jutsu to seal edo. He is easily overwhelmed by edo Nagato.

This is the reason why he loses.

 

[Rike Senju]

Hashi could subdue the edos by containing their chakra's in check. The way Yamato tried with kisame.

 

[ElectricClover]

Hashi could subdue the edos by containing their chakra's in check. The way Yamato tried with kisame.

Chakra-suppressing does not equate to sealing. And he's dealing with multiple opponents; I doubt he has time to hold one (especially one as powerful as Nagato) down while fighting the others.

Kabuto's side wins easily; he'd only need one of these summons to beat Hashi (Kabuto and 3rd Rai vs Hashi would be interesting tho). This group is easily a match for edo Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

Chakra-suppressing does not equate to sealing. And he's dealing with multiple opponents; I doubt he has time to hold one (especially one as powerful as Nagato) down while fighting the others.

Kabuto's side wins easily; he'd only need one of these summons to beat Hashi (Kabuto and 3rd Rai vs Hashi would be interesting tho). This group is easily a match for edo Madara.

Kabuto + Any one of these summons gets shitted on, and no, 3rd Raikage vs Kabuto is a stomp match for Hashirama.

 

[ElectricClover]

Kabuto + Any one of these summons gets shitted on, and no, 3rd Raikage vs Kabuto is a stomp match for Hashirama.

I'll give you Hashi wins against Kabuto + 3rd Rai. But the idea of Hashi despite his strengths beating Kabuto and Nagato together is unreasonable. He has no counter to Kabuto's dragon ball or genjutsu, Nagato can sense his real body, and easily has the destructive force to destroy Hashi's flowers and buddha. Hashirama is alive and plus he has no sealing here; a deadly blow to him is a deadly blow; a deadly blow to Nagato and Nagato regenerates, a deadly blow to Kabuto and Kabuto reforms from liquid. And he has no effective way of getting rid of either of them.

I might have been too hasty with the others. I think both are interesting battles, however. Kabuto and Itachi, I think, have the intelligence to tell real Hashi and to avoid sealing, but they dont have the force to get rid of the flowers so they prob get pollinated. Kabuto and Muu is similarly interesting; Muu can sense real Hashirama and fly to avoid mokuton, plus Hashi can't sense him, and his jinton-- we've seen in Oonoki's case, is enough to defeat the pollen attack.

 

[KingHashirama]

He himself admit inferiority:

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[Rike Senju]

Chakra-suppressing does not equate to sealing. And he's dealing with multiple opponents; I doubt he has time to hold one (especially one as powerful as Nagato) down while fighting the others.

Kabuto's side wins easily; he'd only need one of these summons to beat Hashi (Kabuto and 3rd Rai vs Hashi would be interesting tho). This group is easily a match for edo Madara.

Chakra suppressing will restrain them meaning they won't be able to move. Just how he was able to suppress the strongest bijuu while fighting madara. Don't get me wrong I don't think he wins but I do think chakra suppressing through wood style would immobilize an Edo and make him useless until he is freed.

 

[Bronze]

This is the reason why he loses.

nope. CT ends him. He has no fire power to destroy the orb. Hashi techniques are envoirment. They are only gonna make CT stronger and bigger.

He has no counter for Kabuto's sound genjutsu. He loses because he overwhelmed by Kabuto and Nagato not because he lacks sealing jutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll give you Hashi wins against Kabuto + 3rd Rai. But the idea of Hashi despite his strengths beating Kabuto and Nagato together is unreasonable. He has no counter to Kabuto's dragon ball or genjutsu, Nagato can sense his real body, and easily has the destructive force to destroy Hashi's flowers and buddha. Hashirama is alive and plus he has no sealing here; a deadly blow to him is a deadly blow; a deadly blow to Nagato and Nagato regenerates, a deadly blow to Kabuto and Kabuto reforms from liquid. And he has no effective way of getting rid of either of them.

-Mokuton Clones is the perfect counter to White Rage, a

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However, Mokuton clones are made of Mokuton, so they can't be paralyzed via this method, and Hashirama is a sensor, so he can protect himself during White Rage.

-Growing Mokuton from his body or using a clone to inflict pain or disrupt his chakra is a solid counter to Genjutsu.

-Nagato can't sense his real body, they all have chakra, the same chakra so there is no difference.

-He can destroy the Flower World if used outright, too bad he can use things like Hotei,

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to bind and crush Nagato, etc. Also, Nagato has nothing in his arsenal that is destroying the Buddha, don't mention CST, cause its not working, not when it took 12+ Bijuu Dama blades to destroy the arms.

No effective way? Chojo Kebutsu would pound them, he is no Suigetsu,

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he uses

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Nagato isn't blocking this with anything in his arsenal. Hotei no Jutsu followed up with something like

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would handle Nagato due to the 5 second time limit, multiple Hotei would even work here.

I might have been too hasty with the others. I think both are interesting battles, however. Kabuto and Itachi, I think, have the intelligence to tell real Hashi and to avoid sealing, but they dont have the force to get rid of the flowers so they prob get pollinated. Kabuto and Muu is similarly interesting; Muu can sense real Hashirama and fly to avoid mokuton, plus Hashi can't sense him, and his jinton-- we've seen in Oonoki's case, is enough to defeat the pollen attack.

lmao, what? Where are you getting this "they can sense the real Hashirama" stuff from. They all have the same chakra signature so it isn't working at all.

Hashirama has multiple ways to stop him from going airborne, spawning hands the size of 100% Kurama to smack him down before he ever gets to high is one.

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would be another.

 

[KidGamer65]

nope. CT ends him. He has no fire power to destroy the orb. Hashi techniques are envoirment. They are only gonna make CT stronger and bigger.

He has no counter for Kabuto's sound genjutsu. He loses because he overwhelmed by Kabuto and Nagato not because he lacks sealing jutsu.

I disagree with some of this, but I agree he loses not just because he can't seal.

 

[Draphsin]

Kabuto needs to add in the control talismans, otherwise his edos are useless.

So that means with prep kabuto is allowed them, without prep then kabuto gets trashed.

With prep, and anko's chakra, kabuto can most likely win, but without these things he loses every time.

 

[Bronze]

I disagree with some of this, but I agree he loses not just because he can't seal.

which ones do you not agree with?

 

[Trollasaur]

Kabuto wins low-med diff

 

[KidGamer65]

which ones do you not agree with?

No counter for Genjutsu.

Kabuto and Nagato being enough to beat him.

CT ending him.

Though I have work to do so I'm not gonna debate right now.

 

[Bronze]

No counter for Genjutsu.

Kabuto and Nagato being enough to beat him.

CT ending him.

Though I have work to do so I'm not gonna debate right now.

He doesn't have a counter for genjutsu unless he can use his Mokujin to go up high and that way the genjutsu wont reach to him although i doubt Hashirama is fast enough to do that considering the Uchiha bro who can can see the attack before happening t(Sharingan) needed to counter it with Genjutsu of their Sharingan which Hashirama lacks.

Okay if not enough then adding Itachi should be enough.

CT is actually the perfect Jutsu to finish Hashirama. First of all, most of Hashirama's techniques are Mokuton which revolve around manipulating the surroundings and by that i mean the environment. CT from weakened Nagato was enough to create this

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. Look at the hole, its probably the size of Konoha not to mention Nagato stated he could even make it much much much bigger than that. If that could do that from Old man Nagato, then one from edo Nagato (assuming he is healthy) could possibly even cover a nation considering Nagato gigantic supply of chakra. I would also note that Nagato can increase the power of gravitational pull of CT as seen [

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]. Notice how Nagato screaming and bleeding and after that Kyuubi gets pulled all the way to the top then gets attacked by rocks. That is most likely because Nagato increased the gravitational power since he already did it against Kakashi. Since Nagato is edo and healthy, this shouldn't be a problem for him.