Sasori vs Minato

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Re: Sasori vs Minato #AC #Bogard #YoChickSheSoThirsty

Like i've said, the iron sand makes weaponery useless . It doesn't mean Sasori can control them

Are you daft? That scan specifically says that its because the joints are clogged. Not rusted.
 

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Like i've said, the iron sand makes weaponery useless . It doesn't mean Sasori can control them

That only applies against Puppets. Puppets are made out of wood, not iron.

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''iron sand possesses poweful magnetic properties that render tools made out of iron useless.'' Sasori can control them via Sandaime's Magnetism.
 

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Are you daft? That scan specifically says that its because the joints are clogged. Not rusted.
Well in the end, the jutsu serves to paralyse like i've said. Sasori can't control a thing
 

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Well in the end, the jutsu serves to paralyse like i've said. Sasori can't control a thing

Except Chiyo already specifically said that weapons made of metal/Iron don't work on him.
 

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That only applies against Puppets. Puppets are made out of wood, not iron.

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''iron sand possesses poweful magnetic properties that render tools made out of iron useless.'' Sasori can control them via Sandaime's Magnetism.
Sasori has never shown to be capable to control weapons, otherwise he would have controlled those from Sakura or Chiyo as well as Chiyo's puppets, something he obviously never did. So far we know, it only renders weaponery useless due to magnetism that immobilise them. Using satetsu on weapon is useless anyway since Minato isn't going to use the weapons in question for his teleportation. The weapon is just a support for his jutsu
 

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That only applies against Puppets. Puppets are made out of wood, not iron.

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''iron sand possesses poweful magnetic properties that render tools made out of iron useless.'' Sasori can control them via Sandaime's Magnetism.

if that was true wouldn't he be able to use the kunais sakura had in her pouch against her. If he was able to why didn't he?
 

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if that was true wouldn't he be able to use the kunais sakura had in her pouch against her. If he was able to why didn't he?

Why didn't Minato teleport the Kyuubi's Bijudama to Obito? He had marks on him.
 

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Sasori has never shown to be capable to control weapons, otherwise he would have controlled those from Sakura or Chiyo as well as Chiyo's puppets, something he obviously never did. So far we know, it only renders weaponery useless due to magnetism that immobilise them. Using satetsu on weapon is useless anyway since Minato isn't going to use the weapons in question for his teleportation. The weapon is just a support for his jutsu

Wrong. Sasori can pull and control weapons. Sakura and Chiyo didn't use any metallic weapons against Sasori's Sandaime and Chiyo's Puppets didn't have anything metallic except those weapons that Chiyo's Puppets had, but those weapons were dropped long before the Satetsu came out. Chiyo wouldn't have warned Sakura about that if Sasori didn't have the ability to control them. Let me put it this way; Sandaime's magnetism makes metal useless. Sandaime's Magnetism controls Iron Sand which is made out of iron. Minato's kunai are made out of iron. Sasori can control them.


if that was true wouldn't he be able to use the kunais sakura had in her pouch against her. If he was able to why didn't he?

Chiyo warned her about it so she didn't take them out. Sasori didn't know about them.
 

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Countering Minato's speed won't be hard for someone like Sasori. With Minato having no knowledge on Sasori's real body, he won't know about the heart so that alone puts Minato at disadvantage here. Once Sasori witnesses how much of a pain, Minato's speed is, he will take off to the skies.
@Bolded part Sasori has as much knowledge on Minato as Minato has on Sasori = 0, so he had no reason to take the flight from the start even if he could. So Minato would destroy him from the start, and no even without knowledge Minato would win from that point. Why? Because, knowledge or not, when Minato enters in close range with someone he always marks him

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So even the moment Minato destroys him with a rasengan, he would put a marking on him, so even if Sasori reconstruct itself and takes the sky like you say, with a marking on his body, he would be long dead

From that point, the long comparative argument you made with other characters is useless
 

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Chiyo warned her about it so she didn't take them out. Sasori didn't know about them.


Isn't that kind of stretching it. I mean isn't it a basic ninja rule to whole weapons be it a kunai or shuriken.

@Bolded part Sasori has as much knowledge on Minato as Minato has on Sasori = 0, so he had no reason to take the flight from the start even if he could. So Minato would destroy him from the start, and no even without knowledge Minato would win from that point. Why? Because, knowledge or not, when Minato enters in close range with someone he always marks him

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So even the moment Minato destroys him with a rasengan, he would put a marking on him, so even if Sasori reconstruct itself and takes the sky like you say, with a marking on his body, he would be long dead

From that point, the long comparative argument you made with other characters is useless

Marking sasori wouldn't help minato since if he pulls out the 100 puppets he would switch to a different puppet. I highly believe minato wouldn't mark all puppets since he wouldn't know sasori can switch between puppets.

I still believe minato would take this though, just sayin.
 

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Marking sasori wouldn't help minato since if he pulls out the 100 puppets he would switch to a different puppet. I highly believe minato wouldn't mark all puppets since he wouldn't know sasori can switch between puppets.

I still believe minato would take this though, just sayin.
1- Sasori has no knowledge, remember? He won't even know what happens to him from the start. He would have to question himself and know what helps Minato to teleport to him that easily and the time it takes for him to guess it right, he would be long dead

2- Even if Sasori switches to another puppet like you say he can't control multiple puppets anymore since the chakra core that helps to control puppets is on his real puppet body
 

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@Bolded part Sasori has as much knowledge on Minato as Minato has on Sasori = 0, so he had no reason to take the flight from the start even if he could. So Minato would destroy him from the start, and no even without knowledge Minato would win from that point. Why? Because, knowledge or not, when Minato enters in close range with someone he always marks him

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So even the moment Minato destroys him with a rasengan, he would put a marking on him, so even if Sasori reconstruct itself and takes the sky like you say, with a marking on his body, he would be long dead

From that point, the long comparative argument you made with other characters is useless

It doesn't matter Boggy. Sasori will still cover himself in Satetsu no Yoroi which will cover the mark as well.
 

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It doesn't matter Boggy. Sasori will still cover himself in Satetsu no Yoroi which will cover the mark as well.
1- Once again, Sasori has no knowledge. He won't even know what happens to him from the start. He would have to question himself and know what helps Minato to teleport to him that easily and the time it takes for him to guess it right, he would be long dead

2- Sasori is a puppet. Covering himself with the Satetsu would be suicide and would only help Minato to finish him off even quicker if anything

3- Covering himself with Satetsu isn't removing the mark which is stated so it doesn't stop Minato from owning him with his moveset

I relooked at your post and just realise that it's long for nothing since plenty of your arguments are so BS that i don't even know what to say. This part for example as well
To furthermore assure his own safety, Sasori will proceed to cover himself in Satetsu no Yoroi.

Satetsu no Yoroi


Now to start off, what do I mean by ''Satetsu no Yoroi''? Simple. I mean that Sasori can do the same thing Gaara does with his normal Sand. He can basically copy Gaara's Suna no Yoroi [ ] with his Satetsu since as we know Sasori can make any shape out of the Satetsu he wants [ ], including a Satetsu no Yoroi. To understand how the technique works, let's look at it's description.
Satetsu no Yoroi

You realise that if he does that as a puppet he is basically condamning himself and helping the opponent right?
 

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1- Once again, Sasori has no knowledge. He won't even know what happens to him from the start. He would have to question himself and know what helps Minato to teleport to him that easily and the time it takes for him to guess it right, he would be long dead

2- Sasori is a puppet. Covering himself with the Satetsu would be suicide and would only help Minato to finish him off even quicker if anything

3- Covering himself with Satetsu isn't removing the mark which is stated so it doesn't stop Minato from owning him with his moveset

Incorrect, Boggy. Just like Sasori doesn't have knowledge on Minato, he doesn't have knowledge on Sasori. Once Minato hit him with a Rasengan, he will believe that Sasori is dead while Sasori will stand up and cover himself up with Satetsu no Yoroi due to the fact that Sasori prefers to stay safe [ ] and he won't risk getting hit by Minato again. Once Minato appears and tries to hit him with a Rasengan again, Sasori will harden the Satetsu no Yoroi which will protect him from Minato's Rasengan. This will keep on happening until Sasori figures out how Minato teleports and keep in mind that Sasori is very analyctical and his eyes are very sharp. Even while sitting in Hiruko and being covered with the black robe, Sasori was able to see and analyze Chiyo's Chakra Strings. [ ][ ] Once Sasori figures it out, he will find the mark on his own body and switch to an another puppet. [ ]

Now this is all the worst case scenario. Sasori has ways of dealing with Minato's marks before that. Since both Sasori's body and Minato's mark will be covered in Satetsu no Yoroi, they both will get magnetized. By magnetizing the mark, it will become useless since it will be bursting with the Iron Sand which will make it useless [ ] and thus cutting off Minato's control over the mark with magnetic forces. The mark will now be in Sasori's control.

This is all if Sasori even gives Minato a chance to mark him. Since Minato actually has to get close to Sasori, all the Puppet Master has to do is rotate his back blades every time Minato gets close in order to not get hit or marked. [ ][ ]


You realise that if he does that as a puppet he is basically condamning himself and helping the opponent right?

Wrong. This only happens when the Satetsu is hardened. Althought, Sasori will harden it when Minato attacks in order to tank the attack, he will release the magnetism in order for him to gain mobility again. Sasori controls the Sandaime's Magnetism so he obviously wouldn't take away his mobility when Minato isn't attacking.
 
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I don't have a chick.
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Anyways, I'm going to bed soon, Boggy. It's 2 am here. So if you counter late, I'll counter tommorrow most likely. :heh:
 

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Anyways, I'm going to bed soon, Boggy. It's 2 am here. So if you counter late, I'll counter tommorrow most likely. :heh:

Damn son. I thought you were from the USA. Guess not. :heh:
 

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Incorrect, Boggy. Just like Sasori doesn't have knowledge on Minato, he doesn't have knowledge on Sasori. Once Minato hit him with a Rasengan, he will believe that Sasori is dead while Sasori will stand up and cover himself up with Satetsu no Yoroi due to the fact that Sasori prefers to stay safe [ ] and he won't risk getting hit by Minato again. Once Minato appears and tries to hit him with a Rasengan again, Sasori will harden the Satetsu no Yoroi which will protect him from Minato's Rasengan. This will keep on happening until Sasori figures out how Minato teleports and keep in mind that Sasori is very analyctical and his eyes are very sharp. Even while sitting in Hiruko and being covered with the black robe, Sasori was able to see and analyze Chiyo's Chakra Strings. [ ][ ] Once Sasori figures it out, he will find the mark on his own body and switch to an another puppet. [ ]

Now this is all the worst case scenario. Sasori has ways of dealing with Minato's marks before that. Since both Sasori's body and Minato's mark will be covered in Satetsu no Yoroi, they both will get magnetized. By magnetizing the mark, it will become useless since it will be bursting with the Iron Sand which will make it useless [ ] and thus cutting off Minato's control over the mark with magnetic forces. The mark will now be in Sasori's control.

This is all if Sasori even gives Minato a chance to mark him. Since Minato actually has to get close to Sasori, all the Puppet Master has to do is rotate his back blades every time Minato gets close in order to not get hit or marked. [ ][ ]
1- The Satetsu has a slow formation time. [ ] The shape changing itself into a new one takes time [ ] On the contrary, FTG speed is instant. The iron sand won't even have time to react in order to protect him in time [ ]

Even if Minato has no knowledge, when he will destroy Sasori the first time, he would notice the heart and attack it the next time(and when you know he would be marked during the first attack, lol) [ ]

It's not as if it's hard to notice anyway, reason why Deidara blames him from it [ ]

And when you know how deductive Minato is, he would notice it probably from the get go and go for it already to finish him off in the following attack. With a marking on his puppet body anyway, he isn't escaping.

If Minato even wants to play safe, he will send his clone instead like he did with Obito [ ]

Also concerning the mark thing it's not happening. It's a signature mark that never disappears, it's not a weapon like a kunai. You said it yourself in your post, only weapons are useless. Markings don't follow the same rule. He simply has no ways to get rid of them or use them for his own purpose

Sasori using his rope to conceal himself is also not helping considering the speed of his opponent. If anything Minato can even mark his rope. It would be easier to catch him this way since it's connected to his body

Concerning the magnetism argument i must admit i overlooked that point due to my limited knowledge concerning Sasori's arsenal, but i must say that if his magnetism works exactly like in the real world, then the notion of weapons made of iron/steel are useless isn't absolute, or i'd rather say it is in a sense, but won't help in this match-up(i'll explain why)

Firstly let's read exactly what Chiyo says. She says

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"The Sandaime's power comes from magnetism, weapons of iron and steel are useless against him"

So basically Chiyo stated the reason why weapons of iron and steel are useless against him is because they comes from magnetism

So now let's look what magnetism really does



When 2objects are in a magnetized status, they are attracted on each other(or pushed if same poles). It's basically as if we had 2magnets attracting each other, or in some other cases one magnet attracting iron/steel made(like on the video above)

In Satetsu's case, Satetsu works basically as the magnet and it attracts the weapons(iron/steel) towards it

Something confirmed by the manga, since luckily we've seen another magnetic user in the manga


Like you can see, this fodder basically says "2things that have been magnetized would be drawn right to one another"

It's basically how magnetism works. And when you know how it works, no wonder Chiyo stated weapons made of iron/steel are useless since the weapons would be drawn right to the magnetic release that exists in Satetsu and thus making the use of them useless in battle

Also for that to happen, the magnetic object(Satetsu in this case) must apparently touch the weapon in order to transform it in a magnetic weapon for that to work, so if it doesn't touch a weapon, it doesn't create the magnetic force
Why magnetic release won't work against Minato

If i suppose satetsu covered Minato's kunais(because Satetsu can't turn something into magnetic like explained by this fodder), because when the iron sand would be attracting the weapons, it would only help Minato further to demolish him with FTG teleportation since the magnetism release would allow the weapons to be around Sasori.


Anyways, I'm going to bed soon, Boggy. It's 2 am here. So if you counter late, I'll counter tommorrow most likely. :heh:
Ah ok. Didn't know you were in Europe like me =D
 
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