So you'll pick and choose what Kishimoto says..? If you're going to believe the databook numbers, why not believe what he specifically says about an individual character..?
My goodness, this Base.
This is like calling yourself a Christian, and believing in half of the Bible. You guys sound ridiculous.
Exactly. We are talking about actual manga dialogues, straight from the characters mouths. Those are irrelevant, but the outdated and uselessly contradicting Databook is valid as it's convenient for self-use.
So you'll pick and choose what Kishimoto says..? If you're going to believe the databook numbers, why not believe what he specifically says about an individual character..?
My goodness, this Base.
This is like calling yourself a Christian, and believing in half of the Bible. You guys sound ridiculous.
Yes, exactly that's what I'm saying. The databook hypes up the character ( ex. Sasuke has godlike speed ), but the stats shows his ACTUAL ability ( 4, 5 points ).
Yes, exactly that's what I'm saying. The databook hypes up the character ( ex. Sasuke has godlike speed ), but the stats shows his ACTUAL ability ( 4, 5 points ).
I love the fact that people disregard the databooks when its not in their favour but then they cling onto it when it shows some superioty to their character. Do not consider the databook accurate attributes because this is the same databook that put itachi and orochimaru in the same ranking in genjutsu. When it comes to speed, manga facts have put it in sasukes favour since he was one of the first ones to display speed to bypass gaaras barrier. We havent seen much of tsunades speed s, all we know is that she has exellent evasion skills. Tsunade wins though, but dont use databook feats as manga feats. I see you do it frequently but in this case im speaking to mostly people saying she beats him low diff
He was going to gain a body but was not serious at all. Why should he be concerned if he transfers himself into a weak body and gets killed the next day? It doesn't matter what you say, you averting manga logic that Sasuke devised a surprise attack and fooled Orochimaru is manga fact. Back-paddling and Denial are not helping your case.
No she is not. Kindly provide a scan where she bested or even overwhelmed a skilled Taijutsu opponent who was in actuality serious to fight her. Databook scans are unneeded here, when Orochimaru claimed that his genius is pitiful before Sasuke's. Manga fact. There you go. She isn't smarter than Sasuke, keep harping on.
Plz what are you talking about???
He fooled Orochimaru, maybe, ok, but Orochimaru let him because he wanted to know what Sasuke was capable of:
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So this is no proof P1 Sasuke is smarter than Orochimaru.
Besides, Tsunade fooled him too, and counter-attacked him in the least moment expected...
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What does this prove??
Sasuke was not fighting with a Orochimaru with the intention to kill, he was not fighting against full Orochimaru, so Sasuke feat in deceiving Orochimaru is not valid, since it's clear he was testing him...
But Tsunade's feat does, because Orochimaru (with or without his hands) was aiming to kill Tsunade/Naruto.
Anyway, Databook > Feats.
If Kishi says Tsunade is:
Smarter than P1 Sasuke by 2.5 points
More skilled in Taijutsu than P1 Sasuke by 2.5 points
Equally fast than P1 Sasuke
Stronger by 2 points
Is because she is, and you have to accept that or keep living in your fantasy world.
It's Kishi's story, his characters, not yours, he is the only one who actually knows how strong are his characters, and what are they capable of... not you, nor your fanboyism.
Please. You are always Anti-Sasuke. Databook is countered plenty of times within the manga. Manga feats speak volumes. Orochimaru, Shikamaru, and plenty of individuals have put Sasuke above themselves in regards to intelligence. Facts. If you have problem with Manga, you can do the same. What Kishimoto says goes. When he says Sasuke is more intelligent than Orochimaru in regards to battle-prowess and Shinobi domain, then he IS. Case Closed.
I love the fact that people disregard the databooks when its not in their favour but then they cling onto it when it shows some superioty to their character. Do not consider the databook accurate attributes because this is the same databook that put itachi and orochimaru in the same ranking in genjutsu. When it comes to speed, manga facts have put it in sasukes favour since he was one of the first ones to display speed to bypass gaaras barrier. We havent seen much of tsunades speed s, all we know is that she has exellent evasion skills. Tsunade wins though, but dont use databook feats as manga feats. I see you do it frequently but in this case im speaking to mostly people saying she beats him low diff
Of course the databook isn't the only factor ( let alone the most important ), but it can be useful sometimes. ( for example when we are comparing the chakra levels or the speed ).
@bold
I don't see your point here. Just because Orochimaru can be fooled by Itachi's genjutsu, it doesn't mean he can't put 99% of the narutoverse under genjutsu. So basically my point is that they both deserves the 5 points
Plz what are you talking about???
He fooled Orochimaru, maybe, ok, but Orochimaru let him because he wanted to know what Sasuke was capable of:
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So this is no proof P1 Sasuke is smarter than Orochimaru.
Besides, Tsunade fooled him too, and counter-attacked him in the least moment expected...
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What does this prove??
Sasuke was not fighting with a Orochimaru with the intention to kill, he was not fighting against full Orochimaru, so Sasuke feat in deceiving Orochimaru is not valid, since it's clear he was testing him...
But Tsunade's feat does, because Orochimaru (with or without his hands) was aiming to kill Tsunade/Naruto.
Anyway, Databook > Feats.
If Kishi says Tsunade is:
Smarter than P1 Sasuke by 2.5 points
More skilled in Taijutsu than P1 Sasuke by 2.5 points
Equally fast than P1 Sasuke
Stronger by 2 points
Is because she is, and you have to accept that or keep living in your fantasy world.
It's Kishi's story, his characters, not yours, he is the only one who actually knows how strong are his characters, and what are they capable of... not you, nor your fanboyism.
He never said such a thing.... It's in your head....
PD: I don't know where the Databook was contradicted by the manga, I don't care anyway...
The stats were never contradicted by manga, for sure...
I agreed with you untill you said Databook>Feats , like i said, it said orochimaru and itachi rank same in gen, alo it said kusangi and lightning blade cuts through anything, amatarasu is as hot as the sun, yata blocks everything. Its called hyperbole in some cases (especially the yata and lightning blade, its contradictary). Databook is Not acurate
Of course the databook isn't the only factor ( let alone the most important ), but it can be useful sometimes. ( for example when we are comparing the chakra levels or the speed ).
@bold
I don't see your point here. Just because Orochimaru can be fooled by Itachi's genjutsu, it doesn't mean he can't put 99% of the narutoverse under genjutsu. So basically my point is that they both deserves the 5 points
Even with speed, If the manga doesnt show us or even suggest that tsunade is faster than sasuke, then its a mere assumption and based off hype (hype also including the databook).
Again, no he cant, usually if someone has the same skill as someone (in terms as genjutsu) they should bé able to counter that gen or at least show some equal resistance. Hebi sasuke was able to reverse orochimarus "unescapable" genjutsu with ease. The databooks number cap is too low and isnt reliable hence why you cannot rely on the databook for anything unless its been shown in the manga that its so. If the manga doesnt support the databook then its complete bull
Even with speed, If the manga doesnt show us or even suggest that tsunade is faster than sasuke, then its a mere assumption and based off hype (hype also including the databook).
Again, no he cant, usually if someone has the same skill as someone (in terms as genjutsu) they should bé able to counter that gen or at least show some equal resistance. Hebi sasuke was able to reverse orochimarus "unescapable" genjutsu with ease. The databooks number cap is too low and isnt reliable hence why you cannot rely on the databook for anything unless its been shown in the manga that its so. If the manga doesnt support the databook then its complete bull
They both have 3, 5 points in speed. Sasuke can use the sharingan to predict her movements, but Tsunade can boost her speed with chakra ( like Sakura did against Ino ).
Sasuke also had sharingan, so I don't see your point.
Plz what are you talking about???
He fooled Orochimaru, maybe, ok, but Orochimaru let him because he wanted to know what Sasuke was capable of:
So this is no proof P1 Sasuke is smarter than Orochimaru.
Besides, Tsunade fooled him too, and counter-attacked him in the least moment expected...
What does this prove??
Sasuke was not fighting with a Orochimaru with the intention to kill, he was not fighting against full Orochimaru, so Sasuke feat in deceiving Orochimaru is not valid, since it's clear he was testing him...
But Tsunade's feat does, because Orochimaru (with or without his hands) was aiming to kill Tsunade/Naruto.
Anyway, Databook > Feats.
If Kishi says Tsunade is:
Smarter than P1 Sasuke by 2.5 points
More skilled in Taijutsu than P1 Sasuke by 2.5 points
Equally fast than P1 Sasuke
Stronger by 2 points
Is because she is, and you have to accept that or keep living in your fantasy world.
It's Kishi's story, his characters, not yours, he is the only one who actually knows how strong are his characters, and what are they capable of... not you, nor your fanboyism.
He never said such a thing.... It's in your head....
PD: I don't know where the Databook was contradicted by the manga, I don't care anyway...
The stats were never contradicted by manga, for sure...
I am not even talking about that scan. Irrelevant. You can find that one a few pages back on this same thread. Did I even SAY that Ororchimaru was fighting with an intent to kill? Bring out that statement right now, or you are just twisting my words and talking smack. I said Sasuke fooled him and he was serious in testing Sasuke's mettle. Both are facts.
I never said Tsunade is stupid, I said she isn't smarter than Sasuke. If Sasuke can combine different attacks to hoodwink Orochimaru, Tsunade shouldn't pose much trouble either. Don't feel like replying to the rest of the immature rant.
I am not even talking about that scan. Irrelevant. You can find that one a few pages back on this same thread. Did I even SAY that Ororchimaru was fighting with an intent to kill? Bring out that statement right now, or you are just twisting my words and talking smack. I said Sasuke fooled him and he was serious in testing Sasuke's mettle. Both are facts.
I never said Tsunade is stupid, I said she isn't smarter than Sasuke. If Sasuke can combine different attacks to hoodwink Orochimaru, Tsunade shouldn't pose much trouble either. Don't feel like replying to the rest of the immature rant.
